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To worry that this is a major threat to our democracy?

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Worrydon · 09/07/2024 14:23

https://themuslimvote.co.uk/.

Ever since learning about the targeted campaign of threats and harassment against MP Jess Phillips, it has become clear that those harassing her, along with other similar independent MPs are being pushed into power by sectarian politics.

many of these independent MPs have gotten in purely off the back of being pro-Gaza, despite not offering any solutions to local issues. Our MPs should represent local and national interests, not exclusively one foreign agenda piece.

This website (the Muslim Vote) encourages people to put in their post code, and it then tells you who to vote for based entirely off their stance on Gaza.

This appears to be allowing religion and sectarianism to corrupt our democracy, and I worry that not enough attention is being paid to this threat.

The Muslim Vote - We are Pro-Democracy and Anti-Genocide

Muslims and all people who stand for justice agree that the current political class does not represent us. Peacefully, politically, and persistently we will vote them out.

https://themuslimvote.co.uk

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Hatfullofwillow · 09/07/2024 18:26

VolvoFan · 09/07/2024 17:56

YANBU. What has Gaza has got to do with Britain? Absolutely nothing.

Well, we're arming Israel at the same time as funding aid to both the West Bank & Gaza, so not absolutely nothing.

BakeOffRewatch · 09/07/2024 18:26

That’s absolutely not what the website is doing. https://themuslimvote.co.uk/. mainly encouraged communities to get together and actually talk about voting as they’re mostly disengaged, such as asking people to ask their family members to register to vote. The suggested candidate isn’t based on one policy, it’s what the community have fed up, that’s if they have.

I’ma bit concerned by the posts on MN that fear monger about British Muslims acting together as a community, in this instance just to mobilise to get people voting and talking about it. It’s no different to any other initiative to encourage demographics, such as young people, to become democratically engaged.

combinationpadlock · 09/07/2024 18:22

There are many such websites that help you choose who to vote for based on a single issue.

It isn't anti democratic, it is increasing information, and that is pro democratic

Hatfullofwillow · 09/07/2024 18:11

Melisha · 09/07/2024 17:12

This article is hyperbole. They are talking about lobbying. Yes Israel pays for MPs and aides to visit Israel or to attend presentations about Israel. Lots of special interests do the same. MPs and Aides are not given paid trips to Palestine, but they do attend presentations with refreshments by Palestine lobbying groups.

Is that you Luke Akehurst?

VolvoFan · 09/07/2024 17:56

YANBU. What has Gaza has got to do with Britain? Absolutely nothing.

DancingPhantomsOnTheTerrace · 09/07/2024 17:53

greenpolarbear · 09/07/2024 17:04

I'm confused, Jess Phillips resigned because of her pro-ceasefire stance. So who are you saying is harassing her? Jews?

No, it seems to be supporters of the candidate in her constituency from George galloway's party. She had a campaigner whose tyres were slashed I believe. Other ones were filmed and yelled at.

And the candidate himself completely ignored her and refused to shake her hand as she went down the row of other candidates after her speech.

Chocolatelabsarebest · 09/07/2024 17:35

Intimidation and harassment of candidates is definitely anti- democratic and should have no place in our society - and it IS happening.

Identity politics- where people of one particular ethnic group, gender, race or religion form exclusive political alliances- leads to increasing social fragmentation. I do hope the UK does not go down this route!

Champagnesocialismo · 09/07/2024 17:20

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Hello I’m worried on the basis of what Reform supporters say about women and gays. There is a bizarre crossover of attitudes in some cases with Reform and then these misogynistic men screaming at Philips. Creepy stuff

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Champagnesocialismo · 09/07/2024 17:15

greenpolarbear · 09/07/2024 17:04

I'm confused, Jess Phillips resigned because of her pro-ceasefire stance. So who are you saying is harassing her? Jews?

People who aren’t bothered about what she did, but like leveraging perceptions about her. Organized on the basis of “the Muslim Vote”. Depressing

Melisha · 09/07/2024 17:12

This article is hyperbole. They are talking about lobbying. Yes Israel pays for MPs and aides to visit Israel or to attend presentations about Israel. Lots of special interests do the same. MPs and Aides are not given paid trips to Palestine, but they do attend presentations with refreshments by Palestine lobbying groups.

greenpolarbear · 09/07/2024 17:04

I'm confused, Jess Phillips resigned because of her pro-ceasefire stance. So who are you saying is harassing her? Jews?

Chickenuggetsticks · 09/07/2024 16:58

Just wish people would keep their religious bollocks to themselves frankly. It’s always comforting to see the Christian Parties right at the bottom of the results during elections.

I don’t think religion has any serious place in public life. Yup go ahead and throw up a prayer etc during public events but I don’t want MP’s being voted for on religious affiliation, religion tends to be utterly regressive.

Boomer55 · 09/07/2024 16:53

I don’t understand those misguided souls that think we have any influence over foreign conflicts. It’s best voting for those anyone thinks represent US best, but whatever.

However, no one, of any party, should be exposed to threats or abuse.

Champagnesocialismo · 09/07/2024 16:50

Well… I don’t know about it being a threat to democracy itself; but am I concerned that there is an effort to have religious vote in the U.K., yes. That isn’t a great development, and indeed history would suggest being in mainstream politics is more protective of rights for religious and non religious.

Getonwitit · 09/07/2024 16:48

I have voted YABU simply because this has been going on for donkeys years. Same with the whole postal voting con..

Chickenuggetsticks · 09/07/2024 16:42

They want to remove the spiritual influence statue from legislation because it’s “archaic”, apparently your Imam/Rabbi/ priest telling you you are going to hell unless you vote for x party is not archaic. That is definitely an assault on democratic norms.

Mummy2024 · 09/07/2024 16:40

Worrydon · 09/07/2024 14:23

https://themuslimvote.co.uk/.

Ever since learning about the targeted campaign of threats and harassment against MP Jess Phillips, it has become clear that those harassing her, along with other similar independent MPs are being pushed into power by sectarian politics.

many of these independent MPs have gotten in purely off the back of being pro-Gaza, despite not offering any solutions to local issues. Our MPs should represent local and national interests, not exclusively one foreign agenda piece.

This website (the Muslim Vote) encourages people to put in their post code, and it then tells you who to vote for based entirely off their stance on Gaza.

This appears to be allowing religion and sectarianism to corrupt our democracy, and I worry that not enough attention is being paid to this threat.

This isn't about religion.... its about human decency.... killing innocent palastinians has absolutely nothing to do with religion....

Democracy is about freedom of choice, if people want to vote for people to put an end to this inhumane slaughter of millions of innocent people then that is their DEMOCRATIC right.

DancingPhantomsOnTheTerrace · 09/07/2024 16:36

I didn't see any of those groups harassing voters at polling stations.

That didn't really seem to be OP's main problem. Her main problem was that she didn't think MPs should focus on the issue, and she was complaining that the website helped point people in a specific direction.

No one thinks the harassment is acceptable.

TeenagersAngst · 09/07/2024 16:30

KrisAkabusi · 09/07/2024 16:04

Why are you only objecting to the Muslim vote here? Why are you not objecting to lobbyists for Israel, Russia, Trump, big tobacco, big pharmacy, PETA, or any of the other single issue groups that do exactly the same thing?

I didn't see any of those groups harassing voters at polling stations.

FOJN · 09/07/2024 16:22

I think threats and harassment of any candidate standing for election should be taken very seriously and would like to see those responsibilities receive prison time. Intimidation is a threat to democracy but advising people on the best candidates to vote for to address a voters specific priorities is not. There were plenty of websites advising on tactical voting to get the Tories out, I don't see how this is any different.

quockerwodger · 09/07/2024 16:20

Personally, I think, It would be MORE democratic to have more voices represented in the decision making of this country, not less democratic.

Right now there's a party in power that got 9.6 Millon votes out of a 67 million population. That's a lot of people that didn't vote for Labour, doesn't seem very democratic to just say,
"Well that's the system so tough tit numpty"

Hatfullofwillow · 09/07/2024 16:19

Whoever it was that suggested our politicians should have their sponsors' names on the back of their shirts has a point.

Wgdici52828 · 09/07/2024 16:13

Bride2Be25 · 09/07/2024 16:05

I completely agree with you OP - according to reports I’ve read there was a lot of pressure on some mosques around who they should be voting for which is very concerning. Also video footage of supporters being extremely aggressive towards voters.

The Islamic religion should not have any influence over our politics at all.

I feel sorry for the non-Muslims in those constituencies - where do they turn if they need support now?!

Are you suggesting a Muslim MP can’t offer constituency support to non-Muslims? If that’s your logic then do you also think a Christian MP couldn’t support their Muslim, Jewish, Hindu etc constituents?!

Being a member of a particular region does not mean you can’t represent others who aren’t the same religion as you. This is pure bigotry.

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