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To like Keir Starmer?

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Emmanuelll · 09/07/2024 09:02

Unlike Tony Blair, he comes from a working class background - his siblings would still call themselves working class.

As a very bright lawyer, he could have sought a path which made him rich quickly but instead chose human rights which isn’t an easy route to take and he’s defended ‘the little guy’ against corporations. He’s also anti-death penalty.

Ok, he’s a Sir, and I’ve heard people (perhaps not unreasonably) question why the leader of the Labour Party would have a title like that. But he earned it through work for the criminal justice system.

On the face of it, it seems as though he deserves a chance.

I would much rather have him as PM than a former Bullingdon club member who used to burn money in front of homeless people for the fun of it.

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ScribblingPixie · 11/07/2024 15:02

"I find Starmer’s attitude either very ignorant or ideological to the point where he would allow his teens to suffer for a prolonged period of time even though he had the means to get a scan.

I find his attitude untruthful. He will say whatever he thinks people want to hear at the time, as usual."

Either or, isn't it? Either untruthful or questionable priorities. I presume he just gave a duff answer. It'd have been better to have said nobody should have to make that choice.

Emily Thornberry spoke about this. She said she would definitely go private, but confirmed that for Starmer it wouldn’t be a question. He believes in the NHS.

verdantverdure · 11/07/2024 17:28

2dogsandabudgie · 11/07/2024 14:22

That photo is making me cringe, it looks so staged!

I’d imagine it is posed. Like these:

To like Keir Starmer?
To like Keir Starmer?
AnitaLoos · 11/07/2024 16:55

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What a stupid post.

Iffx · 11/07/2024 15:30

Emmanuelll · 11/07/2024 14:11

But the thing is, if he had gone private, you'd probably be here saying that he's a hypocrite and doesn't follow through with what he stands for. Sometimes politicians can't win.

I wouldn’t say that

I am not a hardcore Tory. I didn’t vote for BoJo or Brexit or anything like that. I also didn’t vote for Starmer because I think his private school policy is wrong. I voted tactically to oppose Starmer, specifically because of that policy. The main reason I don’t like him is because of this policy - and the extrapolation that his socialism is far more extreme than people currently think. Politically I’m in the centre. Hate hard left. Hate hard right.

It seems alright for rich people to get lovely houses in catchments of the best school (or tutor for the remaining grammars) and to pretend to be “humbly” using “state schools”. But I didn’t have that option - my eldest is SEN, we were caught in a difficult fix. Luckily he’s now left, but I’m appalled that I’d be VATted for using a private school to help my SEN kid - I don’t live in a million pound house like lots of the people who buy them in lovely catchments. The private education my kids received is equivalent to a good state school.

2dogsandabudgie · 11/07/2024 15:22

Araminta1003 · 11/07/2024 14:31

I wouldn’t underestimate the significance of football. If we do end up winning, it is a massive feel good factor for many and helps a new Government’s popularity indirectly. Everyone would remember when Labour got in and we won the football!

I think that's pushing it a bit! No one ever says who was in Government when England won the World Cup in 1966.

AllProperTeaIsTheft · 11/07/2024 15:22

Either or, isn't it? Either untruthful or questionable priorities

Yes. The poster I quoted said it might be questionable priorities. I disagreed and said I thought it was untruthful.

Turkeyhen · 11/07/2024 15:14

derxa · 11/07/2024 15:12

😡Let's hope they don't win. We'll never hear the end of it

What a ray of sunshine you are Wink

derxa · 11/07/2024 15:12

Araminta1003 · 11/07/2024 14:31

I wouldn’t underestimate the significance of football. If we do end up winning, it is a massive feel good factor for many and helps a new Government’s popularity indirectly. Everyone would remember when Labour got in and we won the football!

😡Let's hope they don't win. We'll never hear the end of it

keffie12 · 11/07/2024 15:06

AllProperTeaIsTheft · 11/07/2024 14:38

I find Starmer’s attitude either very ignorant or ideological to the point where he would allow his teens to suffer for a prolonged period of time even though he had the means to get a scan.

I find his attitude untruthful. He will say whatever he thinks people want to hear at the time, as usual.

He clarified it by saying, "He would not jump the waiting lists on normal procedures."

Anyone, even if you had to go into debt, would find the money if it was life and death and treatment wasn't forthcoming locally

ScribblingPixie · 11/07/2024 15:02

"I find Starmer’s attitude either very ignorant or ideological to the point where he would allow his teens to suffer for a prolonged period of time even though he had the means to get a scan.

I find his attitude untruthful. He will say whatever he thinks people want to hear at the time, as usual."

Either or, isn't it? Either untruthful or questionable priorities. I presume he just gave a duff answer. It'd have been better to have said nobody should have to make that choice.

AllProperTeaIsTheft · 11/07/2024 14:38

I find Starmer’s attitude either very ignorant or ideological to the point where he would allow his teens to suffer for a prolonged period of time even though he had the means to get a scan.

I find his attitude untruthful. He will say whatever he thinks people want to hear at the time, as usual.

Araminta1003 · 11/07/2024 14:31

I wouldn’t underestimate the significance of football. If we do end up winning, it is a massive feel good factor for many and helps a new Government’s popularity indirectly. Everyone would remember when Labour got in and we won the football!

HungryLittleCrocodile · 11/07/2024 14:24

2dogsandabudgie · 11/07/2024 14:22

That photo is making me cringe, it looks so staged!

Probably because it is staged. 🙄

2dogsandabudgie · 11/07/2024 14:22

verdantverdure · 11/07/2024 00:23

Keir Starmer talking about the football:

That photo is making me cringe, it looks so staged!

Emmanuelll · 11/07/2024 14:11

Iffx · 11/07/2024 13:20

Starmer is an intelligent and accomplished adult. As I said before, this should be the bare minimum. But has not been in recent years.

Despite him being the best option this time, I do not agree with some of his policies (particularly the potentially illegal private school VAT) and I also think his ideology/principles are so deeply ingrained that they are inflexible.

It was disturbing to hear that he’d let a family member suffer on a waiting list and not get them a private appointment. Having been there with my teen ds with a testicular lump, terrified it’s cancer, hideously embarrassed and on the way to not being able to function mentally over this issue - I got a private scan. I find Starmer’s attitude either very ignorant or ideological to the point where he would allow his teens to suffer for a prolonged period of time even though he had the means to get a scan.

But the thing is, if he had gone private, you'd probably be here saying that he's a hypocrite and doesn't follow through with what he stands for. Sometimes politicians can't win.

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Iffx · 11/07/2024 13:20

Starmer is an intelligent and accomplished adult. As I said before, this should be the bare minimum. But has not been in recent years.

Despite him being the best option this time, I do not agree with some of his policies (particularly the potentially illegal private school VAT) and I also think his ideology/principles are so deeply ingrained that they are inflexible.

It was disturbing to hear that he’d let a family member suffer on a waiting list and not get them a private appointment. Having been there with my teen ds with a testicular lump, terrified it’s cancer, hideously embarrassed and on the way to not being able to function mentally over this issue - I got a private scan. I find Starmer’s attitude either very ignorant or ideological to the point where he would allow his teens to suffer for a prolonged period of time even though he had the means to get a scan.

ScribblingPixie · 11/07/2024 12:59

I didn't vote Labour but, honestly, if a decently paid professional family man in his 60s wasn't smart enough to climb London's property ladder to the height of a terraced house in a pleasant-enough area I'd definitely not trust him with the country's finances.

BIossomtoes · 11/07/2024 12:14

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The facts that his finances are a matter of public record - as all public servants’ should be.

coupdetonnerre · 11/07/2024 12:11

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Champagnesocialismo · 11/07/2024 12:04

He’s pretty smart and the Gov are busy setting a narrative about competence. That is coming through well. It’s fair comment actually that’s it’s a low base because the Conservatives have been so insular that they stopped having external candidates who can carry this competence message.

You can see they are clearing the difficult stuff fast. Thames Water into special measure. Prison capacity and policy changed overnight. Get a spending review done, then start the blame on the Conservatives for all their incompetence.

BIossomtoes · 11/07/2024 11:56

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Since when has stating facts been defending anyone?

HungryLittleCrocodile · 11/07/2024 11:55

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What a tedious and predictable comment. 🙄

Makes a change from 'are you his mother' I suppose. Wink

HungryLittleCrocodile · 11/07/2024 11:54

LastMinuteSubstitution · 11/07/2024 04:11

YANBU I really like him and I think he’s going to be good for us he understands the working class a lot better than any of the others and his wife works for the NHS. Neither of them where born with a silver spoon in their mouths and as far as I can tell he’s made no empty promises.

same here. I like Starner more and more in government and the calmness and purposefulness of him and his team. Thank god we as voters might finally start to see that we need grown ups who can handle complexity in charge of running our country. Rather than internally competing, incompetent, self serving, showboating, dangerous sociopaths.Or professional wind up merchants like Farage.

Yeah this. ^ I really like Starmer, and think he is the best person for the job. ! am really looking forward to the next few years with a Labour Government! (And good riddance to the shower-of-shite Tories!)