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To like Keir Starmer?

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Emmanuelll · 09/07/2024 09:02

Unlike Tony Blair, he comes from a working class background - his siblings would still call themselves working class.

As a very bright lawyer, he could have sought a path which made him rich quickly but instead chose human rights which isn’t an easy route to take and he’s defended ‘the little guy’ against corporations. He’s also anti-death penalty.

Ok, he’s a Sir, and I’ve heard people (perhaps not unreasonably) question why the leader of the Labour Party would have a title like that. But he earned it through work for the criminal justice system.

On the face of it, it seems as though he deserves a chance.

I would much rather have him as PM than a former Bullingdon club member who used to burn money in front of homeless people for the fun of it.

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IClaudine · 09/07/2024 10:14

FinalCeleryScheme · 09/07/2024 10:10

I’m no fan of Labour or Starmer. But this is a bit daft. So what if he’s got money? So what if he’s out for himself? I want a PM, not a flagellating penniless hermit.

I suspect he’ll fail because he’s actually not very clever, not very experienced and not very persuasive.

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I am not Starmer's biggest fan, but to say he is "not very clever" is, well, not very clever!

LumiB · 09/07/2024 10:14

PoppyCherryDog · 09/07/2024 10:12

Any tax changes though he would probably be personally impacted by too. If he taxes savings (I assume you mean cgt which was mentioned around election time) then I’m pretty sure he’s be impacted.

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Dontliketheheat · 09/07/2024 10:13

I am very conscious that he avoided answering a number of questions during the election campaign and that he has changed his beliefs over time to suit his ambitions .

I will wait and judge him on his actions

fliptopbin · 09/07/2024 10:12

I am not naive enough to think that everything will be perfect with Starmer at the helm. I am certain that there will be things that I disagree with. However, I do now get the sense that the grownups are in charge, which is just as well considering the problems we face.

PoppyCherryDog · 09/07/2024 10:12

LumiB · 09/07/2024 09:23

the irony is it's okay that he has managed to do well in life an make lots of money but now he is in power he is going after people who do the same saying they should pay more tax, let's tax their savings,.people.shoild be allowed to have more.

He of course could voluntary pay more tax if he really believed in what he is says

Any tax changes though he would probably be personally impacted by too. If he taxes savings (I assume you mean cgt which was mentioned around election time) then I’m pretty sure he’s be impacted.

NecessaryNC24 · 09/07/2024 10:12

YANBU.

IClaudine · 09/07/2024 10:11

SnowFrogJelly · 09/07/2024 10:06

If you read MN, Starmer can walk on water. And the Apostles in the cabinet are all shining beacons of rectitude, selflessness and humility

I saw so many anti-Starmer threads on MN pre election .

What a load of crap. This is not what MN is saying at all. People are just relieved to have a capable PM at the helm who isn't either a selfish clown, an out and out lunatic or a robot who can only communicate in sound bites.

Roseyjane · 09/07/2024 10:10

Emmanuelll · 09/07/2024 10:02

And you need to stop telling people what they can and can’t have an opinion about on a discussion forum.

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Why are people so desperate to rewrite his history, to the extent they get arsey when it’s pointed out he’s not working class and had a very privalged upbringing and is very wealthy. He is what he is.

FinalCeleryScheme · 09/07/2024 10:10

Iffx · 09/07/2024 10:04

Save the warm fuzzies for your family and friends then. Not politicians. Keir Starmer is ideological to the point of danger: he’d let a family member suffer on a waiting list rather than paying for a private appointment (out of his multimillion pound assets!).

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I’m no fan of Labour or Starmer. But this is a bit daft. So what if he’s got money? So what if he’s out for himself? I want a PM, not a flagellating penniless hermit.

I suspect he’ll fail because he’s actually not very clever, not very experienced and not very persuasive.

timetobegin · 09/07/2024 10:09

Let’s see if he actually does put vat on commercial education, protect sex based rights and the NHS, and condemn the killing in Gaza. So far so uninspiring but like most id love to see it all happen.

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Emmanuelll · 09/07/2024 10:08

SnowFrogJelly · 09/07/2024 10:06

If you read MN, Starmer can walk on water. And the Apostles in the cabinet are all shining beacons of rectitude, selflessness and humility

I saw so many anti-Starmer threads on MN pre election .

Me too! That's why I started this one I guess.

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Helloworld56 · 09/07/2024 10:07

I like him. He appears to be solid and dependable. Let's see how he and his government shape up.

teaandtoastwithmarmite · 09/07/2024 10:06

I like him as well

SnowFrogJelly · 09/07/2024 10:06

If you read MN, Starmer can walk on water. And the Apostles in the cabinet are all shining beacons of rectitude, selflessness and humility

I saw so many anti-Starmer threads on MN pre election .

Allthecatseverywhereallatonce · 09/07/2024 10:05

I agree although it is not a popular view as he is apparently 'boring' I would rather have Keir than Boris hanging by his testicles from a zipline. That didn't work out so well.

Keir has a proven track record I am feeling optimistic about the future.

Iffx · 09/07/2024 10:05

Emmanuelll · 09/07/2024 10:02

And you need to stop telling people what they can and can’t have an opinion about on a discussion forum.

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I’m going to type whatever I want. That’s how the internet works. Your obsession with class is ridiculous.

Iffx · 09/07/2024 10:04

SnowFrogJelly · 09/07/2024 10:01

YABVU. I think it's very dangerous to get warm and fuzzies for politicians

I like warm fuzzies

Save the warm fuzzies for your family and friends then. Not politicians. Keir Starmer is ideological to the point of danger: he’d let a family member suffer on a waiting list rather than paying for a private appointment (out of his multimillion pound assets!).

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Emmanuelll · 09/07/2024 10:02

Iffx · 09/07/2024 10:01

He attended a selective school, which was excellent and turned into a private school whilst he was there. He has parents who loved him. I’d say that’s a bloody fantastic start in life.

you need to stop the “class” claptrap.

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And you need to stop telling people what they can and can’t have an opinion about on a discussion forum.

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hopscotcher · 09/07/2024 10:02

It doesn't really bother me whether a politician comes from a working class background or not - I guess it might help them understand the issues faced by ordinary people but it's irritating when mentioned too much.
However, I also quite like Starmer, and feel quite optimistic about his leadership, as if there's a sane adult in the room at last.

KimberleyClark · 09/07/2024 10:02

Iffx · 09/07/2024 10:01

He attended a selective school, which was excellent and turned into a private school whilst he was there. He has parents who loved him. I’d say that’s a bloody fantastic start in life.

you need to stop the “class” claptrap.

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It was a grammar school which he got into on his own merits, and became independent while he was there.

SnowFrogJelly · 09/07/2024 10:01

YABVU. I think it's very dangerous to get warm and fuzzies for politicians

I like warm fuzzies

KimberleyClark · 09/07/2024 10:01

Ok, he’s a Sir, and I’ve heard people (perhaps not unreasonably) question why the leader of the Labour Party would have a title like that. But he earned it through work for the criminal justice system.

Quite, he didn’t buy it by donating to the party. He also never uses it, prefers everyone to just call him Keir.

Iffx · 09/07/2024 10:01

Emmanuelll · 09/07/2024 09:47

I wasn't judging him by class. 🙄 I often see people say that Tony Blair, although a socialist at university came from a very privileged background that would have given him more opportunities and confidence.

Talking about working class in this context is about what that person had to do to succeed.

He attended a selective school, which was excellent and turned into a private school whilst he was there. He has parents who loved him. I’d say that’s a bloody fantastic start in life.

you need to stop the “class” claptrap.

SnowFrogJelly · 09/07/2024 10:00

YANBU I think he's great!

Roseyjane · 09/07/2024 09:59

lovelysunshine22 · 09/07/2024 09:55

As someone who has met him quite a few times in a non political area i would say that you would be very mistaken to think the nice, self effacing, mild man you see on TV is what he's really like! No one gets to the top without being prepared to tread on the heads of whoever they need to to get there!

I would assume that’s true, which is fine, you need someone who can stand their ground. The issue is he flip flops on so many issues, refuses to answer a lot of questions etc.

what is it one commentator said, he’s no idea of starmers politics, the only thing starmer is clear on is he wanted to be pm.