To like Keir Starmer?

He doesn’t say much so it is easy for people to like him. They can just assume he thinks the same way they do.

I didnt watch. It’s Double Down News. At best it’ll be distortion and misrepresentation. It won’t add anything to anyone’s knowledge. They come from that part of the left that wants to destroy Starmer and the centre left. Medium reliability according to Media Bias Fact Check.
honestly, I’m on that wing of the party in terms of philosophy, but I’d still rather have centre left than Tories. A lot would rather be in opposition for ever rather than compromise.
mediabiasfactcheck.com/double-down-news-ddn-bias/

Because a PP made that claim so I am correcting that - it’s twisting statistics to suit their narrative. It happens so often on fora,,in the media and by politicians and the truth gets lost in all that.

if PP had simply said - Starmer was clever and used the FPTP system to win a landslide number of seats, then I wouldn’t have said anything.

I am not anti Starmer or Labour, as I also said : I want Starmer and Labour to do well, the country needs them to.

But why is that relevant to anything? The Conservatives did not have the majority vote share in 2019 or in 2010, Labour did not have a majority vote share in 1997, the Conservatives did not have majority vote share in 1992, and so on .... the only party to win a majority vote share was the Conservatives in 1931 with 60%.

It is an entirely irrelevant criticism and meaningless in the UK's political arena.

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He’s not Oxbridge

What a snobbish remark! As if going to Oxbridge guarantees real intelligence

Nah, rishi himself admitted he had no working class fruends, his interactions with 'normal people' were PAINFUL to watch and his policies designed to help the plebs just didnt make SENSE to us. He was on a different planet entirely. Keir's not from the ghetto or anything but in comparison I think he's got more of a clue than rishi.

Interesting. I didn't like the inverted snobbery in your initial post and now here you are with a conventionally snobbish one. You really cover the spectrum, OP!

AGAIN, I am not disputing this and never said otherwise. I am disputing PP’s claim that he is clever because he persuaded the majority of the country to vote for Labour. He did not.

I am very excited to finally have qualified, real people in charge.

Same here. I voted Labour, mostly because I didn't feel I could vote for anyone else but partly because there were possible signs KS might be coming to his senses (or at least seeing which way the wind was blowing) on the gender and women's rights issue. I really hope he will do a good job. I don't care about charisma, but tbh I find him disingenuous and unconvincing. I'd genuinely love to be able to look back in a couple of years' time and say 'I was wrong to be suspicious, he's great.'

Rishi Sunak went to Winchester College, one of the most prestigious public schools in the UK. His father was a doctor and his mother was a pharmacist who owned her own pharmacy.

Keir Starmer went to Reigate Grammar School. His father was a toolmaker and his mother was a nurse. When his school changed status to an independent school he was given a full bursary so his parents wouldn't have to pay the fees.

He’s also anti-death penalty.

I wasn't aware this was at risk of coming back? Oh he's anti death penalty in other countries where we have no influence.

Most people are anti death penalty.

But that was with rishis marriage, Keir had a more privileged up bringing.

Let me remind you of something.

Boris Johnson is sacked by his own party for having drinks in lockdown. The chat, speculation and gossip about these incidents goes on for months from his own side who do a great job at keeping it in the headlines. Finally he is hounded out.

Keir Starmer is pictured having a beer during lockdown. He has nothing to fear because his entire party close ranks to protect him.

That is the difference. And as for Diane Abbott, can you point to the problem it created in reality? He won. She is now very quiet and neutral.

Whereas Suella Braverman could not keep her mouth shut on Sunak. She was just one example of how the Tories lost.

I agree with you OP. He might not be ideal but at least he's lived on the same planet as us, Rishi was just so removed. I'm enjoying keir's beigeness. Hoping we get some stability and dignity after nutty boris and truss, and less jockeying for power and nest feathering instead of doing things to benefit the country.

I think he's the best qualified prime minister we've had in a LONG time, not just academically but from having a well rounded perspective of UK society, including having a partner who works in the NHS. I'm so looking forward to my child's education, health care and society being governed by a leader who understands the realities of life. About bloody time.

You can’t be serious. Let me remind you of the Diana abbot scandal, the fight with momentum, the anti semites.

lot of discipline, 😂

That’s the Tory psychodrama for you. They did themselves in because of their appetite for conflict. Labour have a lot of discipline. They close ranks. The Tories do not!

Now, now. I'm sure @FinalCeleryScheme will shortly be posting a full resume of his/her academic and professional qualifications and achievements to date.

The ability to consolidate votes across the majority of areas is why we have the voting system we have – there are pros to other voting systems, but the one we have is also sound for many reasons. They are also the first government to achieve a majority in all four nations – ever – which is very significant.

@FinalCeleryScheme I dispute your "not very clever" comment heartily. You don't get to be a QC, head of the CPS, or a postgrad qualification from Oxford by being "not very clever". I also know someone who worked in chambers with him, they said he was the brightest person they'd ever met.

And, to be frank, the sneering at universities like Leeds, implying that graduates from there are somehow sub-par, is just farcical.

Remember the COVID enquiry, where it emerged that Johnson couldn't grasp the science, and couldn't hold a single idea in his head for more than 30 minutes - is he your definition of bright because he's an Oxbridge graduate and can quote the Iliad in the original Greek?

I, too, have warmed to Starmer. He seems to be a decent person. Even Sunak said so!

This tactic is available to any party. Starmer was clever. He did not follow the general vote increasing idea (gets you vote share increase a la Corbyn but no power) and targetted vote areas. This is what the Conservatives have done for an age.

Play the game; you can change if you like, but strangely no government ever does: Labour or Conservative. The reasons are obvious

Oh dear, @FinalCeleryScheme is starting to sound a bit unhinged.

Starmer has done more than enough to prove his intelligence. In fact I'd question the intelligence of someone who could look at that CV and declare the holder "not clever".

It shows that you don't have the first clue what you're talking about.