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To like Keir Starmer?

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Emmanuelll · 09/07/2024 09:02

Unlike Tony Blair, he comes from a working class background - his siblings would still call themselves working class.

As a very bright lawyer, he could have sought a path which made him rich quickly but instead chose human rights which isn’t an easy route to take and he’s defended ‘the little guy’ against corporations. He’s also anti-death penalty.

Ok, he’s a Sir, and I’ve heard people (perhaps not unreasonably) question why the leader of the Labour Party would have a title like that. But he earned it through work for the criminal justice system.

On the face of it, it seems as though he deserves a chance.

I would much rather have him as PM than a former Bullingdon club member who used to burn money in front of homeless people for the fun of it.

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EasternStandard · 09/07/2024 16:02

Iffx · 09/07/2024 15:21

WTF

Ditto

Hdkatznahtw125sgh · 09/07/2024 16:02

I’m a Labour supporter but not a KS fan (I’m a Jeremy Corbyn era member). However, seeing the past few days a government that functions and is getting to work and having a PM who is boring yet seems dependable and is trying to work cordially with devolved governments, metro mayors etc is really refreshing.

He is not far left or really left in the slightest but he is to the left to the mess we’ve had of 14 years and seems to be far more capable and professional than the last.

As I say he wouldn’t be my choice in Labour leader/ has different politics to me but the standard and unprofessional nature of the last governments, this is nice to see.

cardibach · 09/07/2024 16:01

AzureAnt · 09/07/2024 15:57

No they didn't but its pretty obvious what they meant. I knew what it meant

So why did you ask me what was libellous about saying he was DPP? If you knew that’s not what was being implied.
And if you agreed you are being wilfully ignorant.

verdantverdure · 09/07/2024 16:00

Emmanuelll · 09/07/2024 15:43

I suppose he was quite pretty when he was younger.

He’s a fine figure of a man now

AzureAnt · 09/07/2024 15:57

Emmanuelll · 09/07/2024 15:38

The poster didn’t say what the point about JS was.

No they didn't but its pretty obvious what they meant. I knew what it meant

cardibach · 09/07/2024 15:56

2dogsandabudgie · 09/07/2024 15:56

We'll call it Tony Blair's open borders policy then, same thing really.

Well no, because there’s never been one of those either. Nobody thought you meant actual doors. We all understand that means borders.

2dogsandabudgie · 09/07/2024 15:56

cardibach · 09/07/2024 15:49

Nobody has ever had an open door policy, @2dogsandabudgie
And even a cursory look at the impact studies done before Brexit showed it would be detrimental. Still voting for it suggests a certain lack of critical thinking.

Oh, and Reform aren’t gaining popularity. They got roughly the same number of votes as UKIP. Their popularity is (inexplicably) holding is the best you can say.

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We'll call it Tony Blair's open borders policy then, same thing really.

Emmanuelll · 09/07/2024 15:54

2dogsandabudgie · 09/07/2024 15:47

Can't you see that people like you are part of the problem? Insulting people and calling them thick, racists, bigots etc is going to drive them towards the far right even more.

This all started with Tony Blair's open door policy and when people voiced their concerns they were shut down with insults. I remember Gordon Brown calling a middle aged lady a bigot because she challenged him on immigration and the economy. He didn't realise his microphone was still switched on but it was obvious what he thought of her and how dismissive he was of her concerns.

Nothing has changed since then and people are still not being listened to and yet you wonder why Farage and Reform are gaining popularity.

No people like me are not ‘part of the problem’. I’m still angry about Brexit and that might come out in my posts - if you don’t like it, I don’t care.

Whilst David Cameron is the main architect for this chaos, and then Farage and Johnson lying, people voted Leave because they didn’t like the number of Polish people they saw living here. They did not do research about what leaving the EU would mean. They ignored leading economists warning how it would affect us all, adversely.

And you expect me and others not to be angry?

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cardibach · 09/07/2024 15:49

Nobody has ever had an open door policy, @2dogsandabudgie
And even a cursory look at the impact studies done before Brexit showed it would be detrimental. Still voting for it suggests a certain lack of critical thinking.

Oh, and Reform aren’t gaining popularity. They got roughly the same number of votes as UKIP. Their popularity is (inexplicably) holding is the best you can say.

2dogsandabudgie · 09/07/2024 15:47

Emmanuelll · 09/07/2024 11:11

The rise of the far right is very concerning but it doesn’t surprise me, considering the number of people in the UK who were not bright enough to realise that voting us out of the EU would have dire consequences and they just wanted to stop free movement.

Can't you see that people like you are part of the problem? Insulting people and calling them thick, racists, bigots etc is going to drive them towards the far right even more.

This all started with Tony Blair's open door policy and when people voiced their concerns they were shut down with insults. I remember Gordon Brown calling a middle aged lady a bigot because she challenged him on immigration and the economy. He didn't realise his microphone was still switched on but it was obvious what he thought of her and how dismissive he was of her concerns.

Nothing has changed since then and people are still not being listened to and yet you wonder why Farage and Reform are gaining popularity.

Emmanuelll · 09/07/2024 15:43

I suppose he was quite pretty when he was younger.

To like Keir Starmer?
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cardibach · 09/07/2024 15:41

AzureAnt · 09/07/2024 15:28

What is libellous about stating that Sir Kier Starmer was DPP when Jimmy Savile was(nt) prosecuted for his crimes against women and children?

The poster didn’t state that.

Emmanuelll · 09/07/2024 15:38

AzureAnt · 09/07/2024 15:28

What is libellous about stating that Sir Kier Starmer was DPP when Jimmy Savile was(nt) prosecuted for his crimes against women and children?

The poster didn’t say what the point about JS was.

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AzureAnt · 09/07/2024 15:28

cardibach · 09/07/2024 13:23

You’re showing your ignorance then. And possibly coming close to committing libel. Don’t you people ever learn?
And for the 18366483738293th time, taxes NOW after a Tory government, are t(e highest since the Second World War.

What is libellous about stating that Sir Kier Starmer was DPP when Jimmy Savile was(nt) prosecuted for his crimes against women and children?

Iffx · 09/07/2024 15:21

verdantverdure · 09/07/2024 15:03

I find Keir Starmer sexy suddenly.

Just putting it out there. Grin

WTF

cardibach · 09/07/2024 15:12

wellington77 · 09/07/2024 15:07

To be honest your tone isn’t exactly wanting me to open up to you, so I shall leave it at that. We don’t have to like everyone

My tone? I asked what you didn’t like and made a suggestion. You said it wasn’t that so I asked what it was. But Ok. You obviously don’t have to answer. But pointless posting if you don’t want to discuss it though.

Viewfrommyhouse · 09/07/2024 15:07

'*For example, Keir Starmer has changed his opinion or stance when given good reason to - like an ADULT. But people are accusing him of 'flip flopping' or not being able to stick to a definition or not know how to define. 👀really???'

'You prefer a politician who just rattles off what they think you want to hear to get your vote?'

That is EXACTLY what he did - he saw the absolute clusterfuck that Nicola Sturgeon created and ultimately ballsed her career over with her whole 'TWAW/male rapists should be in female prisons' mantra and godawful GRA changes. Only then did he decide to back track and, ya know, maybe women DON'T have penises after all!?!

I'd have more respect for him of he had the courage of his convictions at least.

wellington77 · 09/07/2024 15:07

cardibach · 09/07/2024 15:06

What then?

To be honest your tone isn’t exactly wanting me to open up to you, so I shall leave it at that. We don’t have to like everyone

cardibach · 09/07/2024 15:06

wellington77 · 09/07/2024 15:05

no it wasn’t the scum comment

What then?

HRTQueen · 09/07/2024 15:05

verdantverdure · 09/07/2024 15:03

I find Keir Starmer sexy suddenly.

Just putting it out there. Grin

We are having a serious discussion here 😮

So do I

cardibach · 09/07/2024 15:05

Viewfrommyhouse · 09/07/2024 15:02

You're right, I do know the legal position - THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NO LEGAL POSITION as you claim.

Great. Then we don’t have to worry that the EA references women then. It doesn’t need clarification, because under law it only has one meaning. Fantastic.

wellington77 · 09/07/2024 15:05

cardibach · 09/07/2024 12:49

What’s wrong with Rayner? Are you still hung up on the ‘scum’ comment? That was about Tory MPs, not voters, when they very evidently were acting like scum, so….

no it wasn’t the scum comment

verdantverdure · 09/07/2024 15:03

I find Keir Starmer sexy suddenly.

Just putting it out there. Grin

AllProperTeaIsTheft · 09/07/2024 15:03

I heard Blair on the radio today saying that it seems ridiculous that people are now having to argue what the legal definition of a woman is. I doubt he'd have felt able to say that if he were still the PM though.

That seems crazy though. Surely the vast majority of people, and therefore voters, do not actually believe that people can change sex? I find it hard to believe that some kind of statement saying 'We absolutely support trans people's right to call themselves what they like, wear what they like and to be free from discrimination and harm, but nobody can change sex, men are biological males, women are biological females' wouldn't have gained any party more votes than it would have lost them.

Viewfrommyhouse · 09/07/2024 15:02

cardibach · 09/07/2024 14:57

Because that is also the legal position.
I’m not arguing about this. You very well know the legal position as does @Viewfrommyhouse
I should also point out that if you look at any comments under Starmer’s social media posts you’ll see lots of people criticising him for rolling back trans rights. It’s a topic where you can’t win.

You're right, I do know the legal position - THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NO LEGAL POSITION as you claim.