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DD14 school rules+uniform changes?

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mina879 · 08/07/2024 22:39

DD14's school has got a new head who is apparently making big changes...

The new uniform:
School sweatshirt
School polo shirt
School black trousers
School shoes or plain black trainers or plain black canvas shoes
No heels or boots

The old uniform:
School blazer
School shirt and tie
Black trousers/skirt
Leather school shoes
No trainers canvas shoes heels or boots

They're also apparently getting rid of detentions, toilet locking, isolations and stuff like that.

Apparently the school will be a 'pleasant and relaxing experience for everyone involved.'

The academy trust also did this to a school up north which apparently had only 1 permanent exclusion in a year after this compared to the 20 they had before!

DD said that they just had an assembly on it - there is a designated wall-attached phone worried students can call home from, teachers are no longer allowed to shout at kids, they now have vape alarms, no more prefects, and there is a 7 min break for using the toilet, water fountains, etcetera, they will now serve lunches made on the premises daily and PE will be thrice weekly!

Most of these changes are starting in September - but detentions, toilet locking, isolations, teachers shouting at students are already outlawed.

Assemblies for non-important matters such as say a competition or odd sock day are optional too!

I'm just curious what your thoughts on this are...

OP posts:
GeneralMusings · 09/07/2024 09:57

The trend seems to be going the other way into Michaela esque schools.

GeneralMusings · 09/07/2024 09:57

I'm interested.

If you look at Not Fine In School we can see how the ultra strict schools are causing so many problems for many students

This could work.

And really interesting to hear others perspectives from outside that are unimpressed by the super strict schools!

fashionqueen0123 · 09/07/2024 09:49

Life2Short4Nonsense · 09/07/2024 08:49

I would have loved this as a child.

But I do think black trousers in the summer will be too hot. Do they not get to wear shorts?

That’s what I thought. We should let kids have more options.
Let them have some pe type shorts or something.

LottieMary · 09/07/2024 09:49

My school (teacher) is basically like like. I’d be horrified if staff were routinely shouting at students - I think Ive shouted maybe three times in 12 years. Our students are fantastically well behaved because those are the expectations. We deal with behaviour that interrupts learning, occasionally have individual detentions but not a full timetables system as they’d be empty most of the time

fashionqueen0123 · 09/07/2024 09:46

mina879 · 08/07/2024 22:51

They have to wear trousers since skirts are being rolled up and allegations which were found to be false using CCTV footage have already been made 2 years ago.

It's also an equality thing too apparently.

Equality is a bad excuse. Equality shouldn’t be less choice.
Goodness girls have been rolling up skirts forever, other schools seem to manage it. And seems like the cctv sorted out whatever the allegations were.
So no skirts but can’t do detentions? 🙈

Longma · 09/07/2024 09:40

What's the name of the other school, in the north, that has implemented the same system?

FarmersWife3 · 09/07/2024 09:36

What a refreshing read - I expect the pupils and teachers will find it is a much better place to learn and work. The head deserves a lot of praise for taking a different approach to the current 'norm'! If I had a school like this near me I wouldn't be dreading DS1 having to go to secondary school! Sadly our local secondary is going in the opposite direction.

FragileWookiee · 09/07/2024 09:34

Sounds interesting so I'm also following for your update in Sept. My daughters school is really strict on uniform/toilets/detention and I do wonder if a more relaxed approach would work better.

TinaYouFatLard · 09/07/2024 09:29

My DS goes to a private school with similar ethos. There is no uniform at all, teachers are called by their first name and there is a real effort to promote mutual respect between the students and teachers. Everyone is equal and has a say in how the school is run.

It works really well.

QuiltedHippo · 09/07/2024 09:26

Sounds interesting to me (note I have no school aged kids yet and was nievely suprised by the vaping!) I hope it goes well, you'll have to keep us updated OP.

Dulra · 09/07/2024 09:24

A lot of changes to get used to in a short space of time. No problem with making changes but things should be done gradually. Who would be happy if a new boss came in and made this amount of changes straight away? Give kids time to adjust.
Are the staff on board?

rainbowstardrops · 09/07/2024 09:23

In an ideal world it sounds great but surely it would depend on the cohort. I'd be interested to see how the teachers react to it because it's them that would take the brunt of it all if it goes tits up! Hope it works though.

dootball · 09/07/2024 09:19

I used to work in a school where a similar approach happened.

After 15 years or gradual improvement to the point where it was approaching 'outstanding' the new head has just been releaved of his position following one of the worst ofstead reports I've ever read.

Good Luck.

Fluffytoebeanz · 09/07/2024 09:16

stickygotstuck · 09/07/2024 08:09

Sounds great. Hopefully a hugely positive change for ND children especially.

My school (not UK) was very much like this, except for no uniform at all. It wasn't unusual or experimental, it was the norm.

I would be very interested in a update in a year's time or so, @mina879

I was just thinking this would be much better for my ND daughter. She is changing schools as she's not coped with shouting, constant punishment for being ADHD etc

Iwant2beJessicaFletcher · 09/07/2024 09:04

Our local school has gone from this to the way yours was before.

School sweatshirts out, blazers in. Really rigid rules starting in September.

No parent or child wants this - it's going to be horrific. It was great the way it was but the new academy wants to be seen to tough on everything & it's awful.

ThisKookyBlueSnake · 09/07/2024 09:01

PE three times a week sounds like a punishment to me.

Merryoldgoat · 09/07/2024 09:01

Sounds absolutely brilliant.

My son is going to a specialist provision which is like this and I’m so so happy. Rather than the Michaela-emulating prison camps that have cropped up everywhere.

Needmorelego · 09/07/2024 09:00

@cansu or maybe the students will appreciate being treated like actual humans and in a respectful manner so they won't piss around.

Boomer55 · 09/07/2024 08:52

cansu · 08/07/2024 22:44

Sounds lovely but unfortunately it will soon be a feral mess where kids control the classrooms and no one can learn anything. Good luck. I should also add that lots of teachers will leave. Check out who leaves at Xmas for signs about how well it is going.

Exactly. 🙄

Life2Short4Nonsense · 09/07/2024 08:49

I would have loved this as a child.

But I do think black trousers in the summer will be too hot. Do they not get to wear shorts?

Arewealljustloosingtheplot · 09/07/2024 08:46

It sounds to me that they have abandoned all their standards for an easy life tbh. It wouldn’t be for me.

Lindy2 · 09/07/2024 08:24

Marblessolveeverything · 08/07/2024 23:34

I am in Ireland this is our long lived norm.

No uniform respect to and from all school community no shouting. No ridiculous toilet rules and they haven't imploded. I actually feel ill reading the school rules on here sometimes.

Children doing well pleasant environment to visit and exam results excellent. I can clearly see great relationships across the school as being the priority.

They are regularly told how exams are one access point to success but being a decent functioning human is their priority. I know it obviously takes considerable work by the school team.

My neurodiverse DD would have been so much happier in this environment. She might have actually got a decent education.

My neurotypical DD would also thrive with this approach rather than just cope.

Unfortunately here we are stuck with strict uniform rules, detentions for every tiny infringement even if completely by mistake, the repeated message that if you don't pass your exams you are a life failure and a whole load of kids who finish education a shell of their former selves.

BuffaloCauliflower · 09/07/2024 08:15

Sounds brilliant, give the kids trust and autonomy so they can learn for their own sake. Treat them like people. I think it’ll be great.

FateReset · 09/07/2024 08:15

Sounds great! Which parts are you worried about?

No shouting will stop teachers with a quick fuse losing their temper and yelling (often frightening the wrong students and having no effect on the ones who were misbehaving!) Or frightening the whole class by suddenly screeching over something. Too many teachers are lazy or lack skills or persistence needed to gain respect from students. IME the teachers who are genuinely respected and/or feared are the ones who never raise their voice.
Also stops teachers handing out detentions, isolations and exclusions for trivial things. So many more effective ways to discipline.

Comfortable uniform, nicer more nutritious food,

CameToASuddenArborealStop · 09/07/2024 08:15

This sounds great, I hope it works.

My DC is at a private school which has a similar approach (very few rules, mostly natural consequences, no uniform, detentions and other punishments are rare, teachers treat the students as reasonable people, there’s a lot of humour - some of the HoY emails are very funny) and it works very well. I’ve always wondered if that’s because the school is selective, or whether it’s an approach that can work for most young people.

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