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To want to write to the governors about my DD's suspension?

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UndertheCedartree · 08/07/2024 11:47

I'm looking for a bit of help. Last week my 12 yo DD was suspended from school for half a day. She has autism and struggles. She didn't want me to leave her and was crying and clinging to me. I tried to get her to go with a member of staff for half an hour but she wouldn't. So the head teacher had to suspend her and send her home. They said I can write a statement to the governors. Does anyone know what I need to say? Is just that it was due to her ASD?

Also if the headteacher keeps suspending her can she be expelled? This is the one and only time she has ever been suspended but it just got me worried.

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UndertheCedartree · 08/07/2024 14:30

NewASDMum · 08/07/2024 13:38

We have similar issues with our child and they have never been suspended. They allow us to take them home if they are too distressed and keep in touch throughout the day. Some days they manage to get in later. My child had an awful mental breakdown this morning and didn’t go in. Pastoral care told us not to worry about school in that moment, to try to get them in later if we could, but mental health was more important than school. My child came out of whatever he was processing, definitely in flight mode, and went to sleep. I’ll check tomorrow what it has been marked down as.

I did ask if I could take her away and come back in the afternoon.

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UndertheCedartree · 08/07/2024 14:29

TwattyMcFuckFace · 08/07/2024 13:36

They could have marked her down as a school refusal.

Would that be unauthorised, though?

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UndertheCedartree · 08/07/2024 14:28

GiveItAGoMalcom · 08/07/2024 13:35

So you left them with no choice but to suspend her because you didn't want to take her home?

They can't just send her home. That would be an illegal exclusion. If I take her home that's an unauthorised absence which they are on my back about. They gave me no choice!

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MumblesParty · 08/07/2024 14:14

Could it be that they didn’t want your DD to have another unauthorised absence, so they thought that calling her day off a “suspension” was better ?

TeabySea · 08/07/2024 14:04

Arewealljustloosingtheplot · 08/07/2024 12:23

I don’t understand on what basis a suspension was needed? What is dd being punished for?

I wondered this too.
Surely the issue was that the child didn't want to go into school, but the school wanted them to go in. So they opt to suspend the child which means they don't go into school. Seems ridiculous.

They need to learn ways to deal with students with SN and not make them feel even less comfortable in such settings.

UndertheCedartree · 08/07/2024 14:00

chaosmaker · 08/07/2024 13:31

If she's really tired all the time, might there be another underlying medical issue?

I think masking at school makes her tired, plus she has sleep problems due to her autism and then she has Long COVID too - she is much better with this but still catches everything and can get post viral fatigue. She has a lot of challenges.

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eyeslikebutterflies · 08/07/2024 14:00

chaosmaker · 08/07/2024 13:31

If she's really tired all the time, might there be another underlying medical issue?

Unlikely. Masking is common in women and girls with ASD. The 'cost' of masking is near permanent exhaustion and meltdowns (which in themselves are also exhausting). It is entirely in keeping with an autistic child who is struggling with an unsupportive school.

UndertheCedartree · 08/07/2024 13:58

Ellie56 · 08/07/2024 13:26

@UndertheCedartree

Head teachers can only exclude for disciplinary reasons. Anything else amounts to unlawful exclusion.

https://www.ipsea.org.uk/pages/category/exclusion-from-school

It sounds like the school is not meeting your child's needs, so they need to start putting support and reasonable adjustments in place as they are legally required to do. If necessary they need to seek professional advice. Sending her home is not an option, as this is unlawful exclusion. I would be making this very clear to the governors too.

https://www.ipsea.org.uk/advice-on-writing-written-representations-to-the-governors

Refer to the Statutory Guidance

"It would be unlawful to exclude a pupil simply because they have SEN or a disability that the school feels it is unable to meet.." Page 16.

I see you have already applied for an EHCNA. Use this incident as evidence that the school is unable to meet needs.

Information here if your child is unable to attend school:

https://www.ipsea.org.uk/school-anxiety

Thank you. They have put reasonable adjustments in place and arranged a meeting with an Educational psychologist for me and the SENCo and she will hopefully see my DD soon.

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eyeslikebutterflies · 08/07/2024 13:55

So sorry you had this experience, OP. FWIW, my DD's school is amazingly supportive to kids with ASD and this would never have happened there.

One poster upthread said: "I personally don't think that there a different treatement for kids with ASD if she is in the mainstream school. They expect all children to obey school policy."

That's simply not true.

DD has ASD, and when heading into a meltdown is able to leave class, go to a special room (for the SEN kids), has a '5 minute pass' so she can leave early to avoid crowds, can have her lunch in the library, not attend lessons she finds distressing (eg music, too loud).

She only got this support once under the care of the SEN team at the school. Does yours have similar?

But yes: they are treating ASD as if it is elective, or an illness, when in fact it is not. So many people just don't understand it, especially in women and girls, and this includes teachers and governors.

So you might want to research best practice in this area in your letter to show how your DD's school is letting her down by trying to force her to behave like a NT child, or within the frameworks that they have designed for NT children.

She's not 'behaving badly'. She is autistic and they are legally obliged to make reasonable adjustments to enable her to attend school despite her disability. Suspending her, particularly when you were there, is not a reasonable adjustment. Nor is it a proportionate nor informed response when faced with an autistic meltdown.

UndertheCedartree · 08/07/2024 13:54

TwattyMcFuckFace · 08/07/2024 13:20

Are you saying they offered to let you take her home without suspension but you didn't want to affect her poor attendance, or have I misunderstood?

Apologies if I have.

So they tried to just send her home but they would mark her as unauthorised absence. I queried if they were allowed to do that so they spoke to the head teacher who said they couldn't just send her home but if she would not follow instructions they would suspend her.

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UndertheCedartree · 08/07/2024 13:51

Myblindsaredown · 08/07/2024 13:17

Ok that’s different to what you wrote before, which was she refused to go in.

I said she refused to go with a member of staff which she did.

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Mumofoneandone · 08/07/2024 13:50

Suspension sounds an appalling outcome when a child with a known condition is deeply distressed and needs to go home.
What are the school doing to support her?
What are the reasons for the low attendance?
Is this a strategy so that they can eventually permanently exclude?
Check out the schools behaviour/suspension policy as well as their special needs one. Might give you some more information.
May be worth writing to the governors about the poor support your DD is receiving/misuse of school policies.

UndertheCedartree · 08/07/2024 13:49

Myblindsaredown · 08/07/2024 13:17

And do you disagree with this, it’s hard to tell whay you’re acrually thinking. Did you feel they should have done something different?

I'm in the middle. I don't know if it was necessarily the best way to deal with it but I understand why they did it. I have been asked to make a statement to the governors - it is not for saying whether you agree with it per se but to give information about what happened. You could of course say if you don't agree with it.

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Elisheva · 08/07/2024 13:49

This is wrong. A suspension is a sanction and should only be used for quite severe or persistent misbehaviour.
I would write to the governors and ask them to overturn the suspension.
I would also take advice on what the school should be doing to meet your daughter’s needs.

UndertheCedartree · 08/07/2024 13:46

Babadook76 · 08/07/2024 13:14

Was she given an actual official suspicion, or were you just asked to take her home as they couldn’t physically get her into school?

An official suspension.

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GeneralMusings · 08/07/2024 13:46

Again Google sendiass and your area.

They're set up to advise and found these types of situations and do so regularly
More so than random mumsnetters.

This is going to be a bigger issue than writing a letter.

UndertheCedartree · 08/07/2024 13:45

purplepandas · 08/07/2024 13:12

I would also have a look at the Not Fine in School group (have found that invaluable, particularly the FB page). I am sorry things are tricky (my daughter is also autistic). https://notfineinschool.co.uk/?fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0CMTAAAR1oyPJbUfmeut-CtEHvRNN9X1G1r4kg4Uxapm3cvrm1nXPOO6_zdIlrrzs_aem_BOBF8SFiSf8IfJZbaYaqHQ

Thank you

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UndertheCedartree · 08/07/2024 13:44

TwattyMcFuckFace · 08/07/2024 12:49

Surely this would go down as 'school refusal' rather than a suspension?

Did she lash out at the member of staff while she was upset OP?

No she didn't lash out.

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UndertheCedartree · 08/07/2024 13:43

Noname99 · 08/07/2024 12:37

School’s can not just ‘send some one home.’ The only reasons schools can send a child home is if they are ill or if they suspend them. Autism / ADHD etc is not an illness. For those saying that their child’s head teacher has sent the child home and authorised it as illness due to ‘mental health’ that’s skirting very close to an illegal exclusion and I’ve supported several head teachers who have done this with the best of intentions and then, further down the line, when the problem has got worse had parents turn round and accuse them of “doing nothing and just sending him/her home” and then suddenly the head finds themself in the middle of an investigation for illegal exclusion.

Your head has done the right thing. If your child refused or couldn’t regulate themselves to be able to come into school then they should be suspended. That’s not the same as ‘blaming’ the child for this if it is due to a condition. If it happens multiple times then that can be used as evidence for additional support and you can work with the school to determine what that looks like. Ultimately if the additional support doesn’t work then it’s evidence for a needs assessment. If they've already got an EHCP then this is a new behaviour and barrier and if it continues the EHCP should be reviewed and additional support added. Suspensions are often a way to get additional support rather than always a bad thing. And they are transparent as you will have a letter saying why and you should now be offered a meeting about how the school can support you and your child moving forward. I’d spend my time doing that rather than arguing the toss with governors about a half day suspension,

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And sorry, where did I say I was going to 'argue the toss' with the governors?

I've been asked to make a statement and I'm asking what to include!!

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UndertheCedartree · 08/07/2024 13:41

Noname99 · 08/07/2024 12:37

School’s can not just ‘send some one home.’ The only reasons schools can send a child home is if they are ill or if they suspend them. Autism / ADHD etc is not an illness. For those saying that their child’s head teacher has sent the child home and authorised it as illness due to ‘mental health’ that’s skirting very close to an illegal exclusion and I’ve supported several head teachers who have done this with the best of intentions and then, further down the line, when the problem has got worse had parents turn round and accuse them of “doing nothing and just sending him/her home” and then suddenly the head finds themself in the middle of an investigation for illegal exclusion.

Your head has done the right thing. If your child refused or couldn’t regulate themselves to be able to come into school then they should be suspended. That’s not the same as ‘blaming’ the child for this if it is due to a condition. If it happens multiple times then that can be used as evidence for additional support and you can work with the school to determine what that looks like. Ultimately if the additional support doesn’t work then it’s evidence for a needs assessment. If they've already got an EHCP then this is a new behaviour and barrier and if it continues the EHCP should be reviewed and additional support added. Suspensions are often a way to get additional support rather than always a bad thing. And they are transparent as you will have a letter saying why and you should now be offered a meeting about how the school can support you and your child moving forward. I’d spend my time doing that rather than arguing the toss with governors about a half day suspension,

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They'd wanted to illegally exclude her but I'd pointed out they couldn't. And of course it would have been marked as another absence.

ASD is not an illness but the related anxiety is. She was in no fit state for school due to her mental illness so I'm thinking of making that clear to the Governors.

To be clear I'm not specifically seeing the suspension as a good or bad thing. I'm just thinking what I need to say to the governors about it.

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NewASDMum · 08/07/2024 13:38

We have similar issues with our child and they have never been suspended. They allow us to take them home if they are too distressed and keep in touch throughout the day. Some days they manage to get in later. My child had an awful mental breakdown this morning and didn’t go in. Pastoral care told us not to worry about school in that moment, to try to get them in later if we could, but mental health was more important than school. My child came out of whatever he was processing, definitely in flight mode, and went to sleep. I’ll check tomorrow what it has been marked down as.

Arewealljustloosingtheplot · 08/07/2024 13:36

UndertheCedartree · 08/07/2024 13:35

It was for health and safety. She wasn't being punished.

I have been in this situation more times than I can count and the school never ever have suspended her!! It’s absolutely bloody outrageous! Absolutely write to the governors - that school is a disgrace!

UndertheCedartree · 08/07/2024 13:36

Myblindsaredown · 08/07/2024 12:24

Sounds like they did it as an act of kindness as she was school refusing, so had to go home. I’m not sure what you expected them to do?

The thread isn't about what I expected them to do it's about what I should write to the governors.

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TwattyMcFuckFace · 08/07/2024 13:36

UndertheCedartree · 08/07/2024 13:35

I'm wondering if they should have sent her home as mentally unwell, really.

They can't just send her home aside from that unless they suspend her. They said it was a health and safety issue due to her not following instructions. She wasn't badly behaved. She's just autistic.

They could have marked her down as a school refusal.

UndertheCedartree · 08/07/2024 13:35

Arewealljustloosingtheplot · 08/07/2024 12:23

I don’t understand on what basis a suspension was needed? What is dd being punished for?

It was for health and safety. She wasn't being punished.

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