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To want to write to the governors about my DD's suspension?

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UndertheCedartree · 08/07/2024 11:47

I'm looking for a bit of help. Last week my 12 yo DD was suspended from school for half a day. She has autism and struggles. She didn't want me to leave her and was crying and clinging to me. I tried to get her to go with a member of staff for half an hour but she wouldn't. So the head teacher had to suspend her and send her home. They said I can write a statement to the governors. Does anyone know what I need to say? Is just that it was due to her ASD?

Also if the headteacher keeps suspending her can she be expelled? This is the one and only time she has ever been suspended but it just got me worried.

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BrumToTheRescue · 10/07/2024 20:04

OP, focus on the suspension being unlawful and discriminatory.

If DD can’t attend school full time because of her SEN/MH, have you requested alternative provision?

BrumToTheRescue · 10/07/2024 20:03

The whole sense behind EHCP is obtaining additional funding

No, the whole point of (the educational sections) an EHCP is that the child’s needs, the SEP they reasonably require and outcomes are set out. Additional funding in order to meet those needs, provide the SEP and thus meet the outcomes is a byproduct of that, but it is not the whole sense of an EHCP. Which is why parents should focus on the SEP in F rather than the funding.

That may be through the use of specialist equipment ( does she need it? I doubt it) or 1:1 learning mentor for lister by me reasons.

There are many other things that are SEP. Not all will have 1:1 and not all will have equipment in F. Although how on earth you can judge OP’s DD doesn’t need equipment, I don’t know. Many with ASD do need sensory equipment &/or tech/assistive tech/specialist software.

If it is a need for counselling the schools refer to CAMHS

If counselling is required for a pupil with an EHCP, a normal referral to CAMHS isn’t required. It should be detailed, specified and quantified in F. It may or may not be provided by the NHS. If it is provided via the NHS, it may not be in a specialist hospital. It is rare for schools to provide long term MH therapies to the level required by many DC with the needs OP describes. Parents often have to appeal, but that doesn’t change any of the above.

If an ongoing monitoring is needed they council will look for specialist school if it is possible in the areas. They do anything to avoid another EHCP.

An EHCP is required for specialist schools. Not all DC who require ongoing monitoring are in or need SS. Just because LAs try to avoid issuing EHCPs doesn’t mean it is lawful or the parents should accept it without challenge.

Smoothie23 · 10/07/2024 19:59

UndertheCedartree · 10/07/2024 19:07

My representation to the Governors:

My daughter has now been suspended for the second time due to her mental health and SEN.

This morning we arrived at school at 8.30. My daughter was very tired and dysregulated as the school removed the reasonable adjustment of her coming in later and changed her plan with nothing in place to help her cope. She was mentally distressed at the thought of going in to school. Myself and her amazing mentor worked with her to calm her and after 20 minutes E let me leave and she went with her mentor. We agreed I'd be called if she was still distressed by break. I felt E's mental distress was such that she shouldn't be in school however, due to the school retrospectively changing E's attendance data and the pressure from the school and LA to bring her into school no matter how unwell she is, I couldn't trust that they would correctly mark it as illness so felt no choice but to leave E at school. I wish I hadn't now as I know I let her down.

E spent some time in her mentor's office and then she tried to take her to her Music class. Despite the lovely Music teacher encouraging E she was not able to join the class. After a while her mentor realised it wasn't working and brought her up to her office and calmed her. It came to break time and her mentor encouraged E to join her friends to see if this would help. But E was not able to do this. At this point her mentor asked for me to be called. But instead of me being called to pick my daughter up due to her mental health and the afternoon session marked as illness as should have happened, she was excluded again! As this was again not due to bad behaviour but due to her unmet needs arising from her autism causing mental distress I fail to see how it was lawful.

I tried ringing both helplines as detailed on the suspension letter but neither worked. So I looked on the Coram website online. I came across a paragraph about:

What are the factors a head teacher should consider before deciding to suspend or exclude?

Contributing factors - was my daughter's mental health or SEN considered?

Early intervention - what was put in place to specifically help Ella with yet another change of plan?

Effectiveness
Are you trying to punish the autism out of her?

I do not believe this exclusion is lawful, rational, reasonable, fair, or proportionate.

I also want to again make sure that it will be made abundantly clear on E's school record that this exclusion was due to her mental distress and not due to bad behaviour.

I've cc'd my local MP in.

@UndertheCedartree

I would not include local MP at this stage. They will find your letter hostile if you do it right away and you want them on your aide. If they are not going to cooperate then you could include your local MP in the second round of communication

Smoothie23 · 10/07/2024 19:54

Our SENCO/pastoral care don’t refer to anyone. They deal with us directly and make a decision based on the best interests of my child
And that is what SEN Co and pastoral care is for. Well done on finding the excellent school for your child that meets his needs @NewASDMum
This is what should also have happen in case of OP child and not just suspend and " problem's sorted".

Smoothie23 · 10/07/2024 19:50

@BrumToTheRescue
There are various reasons DC reasonably require 1:1. They do not have to be behind, a danger, have a HI or be VI. There are other reasons. Not all DC with EHCPs reasonably require 1:1.

The whole sense behind EHCP is obtaining additional funding. That may be through the use of specialist equipment ( does she need it? I doubt it) or 1:1 learning mentor for lister by me reasons.
If it is a need for counselling the schools refer to CAMHS who organise counselling for ASD in the specialist hospital or school will offer support quicker than get out of the pocket £6k for EHCP before the council will reluctantly give anything.
If an ongoing monitoring is needed they council will look for specialist school if it is possible in the areas. They do anything to avoid another EHCP.

UndertheCedartree · 10/07/2024 19:07

My representation to the Governors:

My daughter has now been suspended for the second time due to her mental health and SEN.

This morning we arrived at school at 8.30. My daughter was very tired and dysregulated as the school removed the reasonable adjustment of her coming in later and changed her plan with nothing in place to help her cope. She was mentally distressed at the thought of going in to school. Myself and her amazing mentor worked with her to calm her and after 20 minutes E let me leave and she went with her mentor. We agreed I'd be called if she was still distressed by break. I felt E's mental distress was such that she shouldn't be in school however, due to the school retrospectively changing E's attendance data and the pressure from the school and LA to bring her into school no matter how unwell she is, I couldn't trust that they would correctly mark it as illness so felt no choice but to leave E at school. I wish I hadn't now as I know I let her down.

E spent some time in her mentor's office and then she tried to take her to her Music class. Despite the lovely Music teacher encouraging E she was not able to join the class. After a while her mentor realised it wasn't working and brought her up to her office and calmed her. It came to break time and her mentor encouraged E to join her friends to see if this would help. But E was not able to do this. At this point her mentor asked for me to be called. But instead of me being called to pick my daughter up due to her mental health and the afternoon session marked as illness as should have happened, she was excluded again! As this was again not due to bad behaviour but due to her unmet needs arising from her autism causing mental distress I fail to see how it was lawful.

I tried ringing both helplines as detailed on the suspension letter but neither worked. So I looked on the Coram website online. I came across a paragraph about:

What are the factors a head teacher should consider before deciding to suspend or exclude?

Contributing factors - was my daughter's mental health or SEN considered?

Early intervention - what was put in place to specifically help Ella with yet another change of plan?

Effectiveness
Are you trying to punish the autism out of her?

I do not believe this exclusion is lawful, rational, reasonable, fair, or proportionate.

I also want to again make sure that it will be made abundantly clear on E's school record that this exclusion was due to her mental distress and not due to bad behaviour.

I've cc'd my local MP in.

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UndertheCedartree · 10/07/2024 18:08

Arewealljustloosingtheplot · 10/07/2024 17:03

Bloody hell OP. I just cannot understand what the school is playing at. I’d also include your local MP in the next email!

I hope your DD is ok

Good idea. Yes, she's ok now, thanks for asking.

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UndertheCedartree · 10/07/2024 18:06

NewASDMum · 10/07/2024 16:54

Our SENCO/pastoral care don’t refer to anyone. They deal with us directly and make a decision based on the best interests of my child. That has worked so well. They even persuaded a deputy head to change his decision to suspend my child over one violent reaction to an incident beyond their control. You need to take control and not just accept what the school is doing/telling you. At one point we just didn’t send our child in for over a week due to mental health reasons. All the absences were authorised and support was put in place that worked.

This isn't the SENCo, it's not someone who is at that level. I have asked for the SENCo to ring me.

I'm not accepting it. But it's not that easy when the school can't meet your DC's needs and all absences are not marked as authorised! Or rather they were but then changed. I'm sending upwards of 10 emails and countless phone calls every day. Not sure how much more I can do.

I've spoken to the school nurse and she's going to see my DD tomorrow.

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UndertheCedartree · 10/07/2024 17:49

I'm reading on the Coram site
What are the factors a head teacher should consider before deciding to suspend or exclude?

Contributing factors
So for this would be her mental health and her autism

Early intervention
What was put in place to help her cope with yet another change of plan?

Effectiveness
Are they trying to punish the autism out of her?

Are these good points to bring up at the reintegration meeting tomorrow?

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Arewealljustloosingtheplot · 10/07/2024 17:03

UndertheCedartree · 10/07/2024 14:56

She's only been suspended again! Luckily, the educational psychologist was observing the whole thing.

Bloody hell OP. I just cannot understand what the school is playing at. I’d also include your local MP in the next email!

I hope your DD is ok

NewASDMum · 10/07/2024 16:54

Our SENCO/pastoral care don’t refer to anyone. They deal with us directly and make a decision based on the best interests of my child. That has worked so well. They even persuaded a deputy head to change his decision to suspend my child over one violent reaction to an incident beyond their control. You need to take control and not just accept what the school is doing/telling you. At one point we just didn’t send our child in for over a week due to mental health reasons. All the absences were authorised and support was put in place that worked.

UndertheCedartree · 10/07/2024 16:42

BrumToTheRescue · 10/07/2024 16:33

Contact The Exclusion Project. They can help you. The school is acting unlawfully.

Despite what some think, the school must make reasonable adjustments to their behaviour policy, too.

Either your daugher would need to be 2-3 years behind at Maths and English or she would pose a danger to herself or her peers and then she would get assistant to follow her during breaks. Another case would be if a child has problems with sight, hearing and therefore needs an intrerpreter.

There are various reasons DC reasonably require 1:1. They do not have to be behind, a danger, have a HI or be VI. There are other reasons. Not all DC with EHCPs reasonably require 1:1.

Thanks so much for all your help. I'll contact them.

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BrumToTheRescue · 10/07/2024 16:33

Contact The Exclusion Project. They can help you. The school is acting unlawfully.

Despite what some think, the school must make reasonable adjustments to their behaviour policy, too.

Either your daugher would need to be 2-3 years behind at Maths and English or she would pose a danger to herself or her peers and then she would get assistant to follow her during breaks. Another case would be if a child has problems with sight, hearing and therefore needs an intrerpreter.

There are various reasons DC reasonably require 1:1. They do not have to be behind, a danger, have a HI or be VI. There are other reasons. Not all DC with EHCPs reasonably require 1:1.

Smoothie23 · 10/07/2024 16:24

@UndertheCedartree I told you that the school should not have reacted by giving the suspension over such thing but the pastoral care should be talking and trying to find out why she feels like that etc. and it should take place on case of any kid SEN or not. They were showing zero interest in her mental health balance and even not investigated.

I have a SEN kid ( non EHCP as he doesn't qualify) and trust me there is no excuse for insubordination just because he is on SEN register. And my child is non violent and subordinate. It is enough if he just says stupid joke to his female peer and he got to stay for 30 min as a punishment.

As I mentioned there is another child in our school that swore at headmaster and kick him and despite of EHCP he was suspended. Another EHCP was grabbing crotches of his peer as a form of controling them by fear and got punished too.

Teachers say many things what would be ideal but EHCP is not given basic on the diagnosis but basing on the needs for 1:1 assistant and other adjustments. Either your daugher would need to be 2-3 years behind at Maths and English or she would pose a danger to herself or her peers and then she would get assistant to follow her during breaks. Another case would be if a child has problems with sight, hearing and therefore needs an intrerpreter. People take councils to tribunals because it is so hard to get EHCP. I know a girl with Autism, self harm and at least 3 years behind with Maths who was declined EHCP, eent through mediation and now is awaiting tribunal.

UndertheCedartree · 10/07/2024 16:14

NewASDMum · 10/07/2024 15:21

Oh no, what happened?

She was very distressed when I took her in this morning. Her Learning mentor was being lovely as usual and after about 20 minutes she agreed to go with her. We were both worried, though and so we agreed DD would try first lesson but if she was still distressed after that she would ring me.

Her LM took her upstairs to her office for a while and she calmed and then tried to take her to her class. The teacher came out to speak to DD to try and encourage her and was really lovely apparently. But DD still couldn't go in so LM took her back to her office for the rest of first lesson. She tried to encourage DD to see her friends at Break but she didn't want to. So LM wanted to phone me and send DD home as still distressed. But she has to go through management. And they decided to suspend DD! The LM was so apologetic, she can see I'm being put between a rock and a hard place! We agreed that since they removed the reasonable adjustment of DD coming in later, she is not coping at all. I said I'd bring her in tomorrow when was best for her and LM agreed with that (not that she can officially as such!)

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NewASDMum · 10/07/2024 15:21

UndertheCedartree · 10/07/2024 14:56

She's only been suspended again! Luckily, the educational psychologist was observing the whole thing.

Oh no, what happened?

UndertheCedartree · 10/07/2024 14:57

So now, that's another email I have to write!

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UndertheCedartree · 10/07/2024 14:56

She's only been suspended again! Luckily, the educational psychologist was observing the whole thing.

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UndertheCedartree · 10/07/2024 14:55

Smoothie23 · 10/07/2024 08:17

" making an eye contact" is hardly a reason to suspend anybody let alone a child with ASD. But if a child would kick headmaster or spat and swore at him, I assure you the child would get suspended.

My DC has not kicked or sworn or spat. She is just struggling as her needs can't currently be met because she needs an EHCP.

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UndertheCedartree · 10/07/2024 14:54

Smoothie23 · 10/07/2024 08:14

We are not talking about a child with EHCP. If a child has behavioral issue to the extent that it needs an assistant then certain behaviours are the reason why it has EHCP and it is written in her/his plan.

We are talking about ASD without a plan. If it doesn't qualify for EHCP because the behaviour they will expect the child to obey the rules as any other child.

Having said that, there is a child with EHCP and an assistant at our school who kicked the headmaster and swore at him and still was suspended.

My DC is in the process of getting an EHCP. Everyone, including the school agrees she does qualify for one.

But you are wrong, anyway. The school already gets money to support SEN DC and must put into place reasonable adjustments due to their disability. They are not expected to follow all the same rules, at all.

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BrumToTheRescue · 10/07/2024 10:36

Mainstream schools must still make reasonable adjustments as per the Equality Act. That applies whether the child has an EHCP or not. That includes reasonable adjustments to the behaviour policy. That does not mean a pupil with SEN, with or without a EHCP, cannot be suspended at all but that reasonable adjustments must be made. Sometimes schools do unlawfully suspend pupils with a disability.

Smoothie23 · 10/07/2024 08:17

handmademitlove · 10/07/2024 07:39

@Smoothie23 unfortunately some schools act as you say, with no adjustments made for neurodiverse students. However, the law is clear that reasonable adjustments should be made and has already been explained by PPs. An example is a school local to me, where behaviour expectations include "making eye contact with the teacher". Now they say that failure to meet the code of conduct could result in disciplinary action. But as I pointed out to them, after they put a student in detention for this, many students with autism actually find it painful to do this and it is a well known "symptom". So actually what they are doing is punishing the student for being autistic. They wouldn't punish a deaf student for "not listening"...

Intentional poor behaviour is also very different to an inability to regulate behaviour due to factors outside their control.

" making an eye contact" is hardly a reason to suspend anybody let alone a child with ASD. But if a child would kick headmaster or spat and swore at him, I assure you the child would get suspended.

Smoothie23 · 10/07/2024 08:14

TeenDivided · 10/07/2024 06:58

I disagree with @Smoothie23 . If the school puts a child in a situation that is contrary to their EHCP, and the child 'misbehaves' as a result then they should not have the same 'punishment' as a non EHCP child. A school that did this would be acting contrary to the plan.
Reasonable adjustment is not just extra time or a special school! It can be things like time out cards, movement breaks, quick access to pastoral care, excused from some type of work/lessons. With behaviour, the aim is to reduce stress and triggers. Putting them in a situation they can't cope with then punishing them would be pointless.

We are not talking about a child with EHCP. If a child has behavioral issue to the extent that it needs an assistant then certain behaviours are the reason why it has EHCP and it is written in her/his plan.

We are talking about ASD without a plan. If it doesn't qualify for EHCP because the behaviour they will expect the child to obey the rules as any other child.

Having said that, there is a child with EHCP and an assistant at our school who kicked the headmaster and swore at him and still was suspended.

UndertheCedartree · 10/07/2024 07:46

I wrote in the statement to the governors that I hope it is made abundantly clear on her school record that there was no bad behaviour. It wasn't that she wouldn't follow instructions but that she couldn't.

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handmademitlove · 10/07/2024 07:39

@Smoothie23 unfortunately some schools act as you say, with no adjustments made for neurodiverse students. However, the law is clear that reasonable adjustments should be made and has already been explained by PPs. An example is a school local to me, where behaviour expectations include "making eye contact with the teacher". Now they say that failure to meet the code of conduct could result in disciplinary action. But as I pointed out to them, after they put a student in detention for this, many students with autism actually find it painful to do this and it is a well known "symptom". So actually what they are doing is punishing the student for being autistic. They wouldn't punish a deaf student for "not listening"...

Intentional poor behaviour is also very different to an inability to regulate behaviour due to factors outside their control.