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To tell you to do this when hiring a builder/trader

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trekking1 · 08/07/2024 00:09

Have your husband/partner do the hiring and communicating or if you do not have one, pretend you are a man 😂

The reason for this is because a lot of them charge more if hired by a woman. My brother-in-law is a builder and told us he charges women twice as much because apparently women are demanding and change their mind all the time 🙄

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SoupDragon · 08/07/2024 07:30

So your BIL is a misogynistic twat?

KateDelRick · 08/07/2024 07:28

Have you reported your BIL for this?

turnipsarelush · 08/07/2024 07:28

I have recently had a renovation project carried out by a building firm. Despite me giving my name and details they insist on phoning my husband about it. It's very annoying and he keeps telling them to phone me, his number is only there for if they can't reach me.

KateDelRick · 08/07/2024 07:27

Tobacco · 08/07/2024 02:24

He's a scammer. As a widow, I hope I don't come across a scammer like him.

Exactly. He should be reported.

Toooldtoworry · 08/07/2024 07:25

Xis · 08/07/2024 05:41

I get the postcode tax too and the black tax. It’s what it is.

That's a thing? That is disgusting.

Emilywiththegreeneyes · 08/07/2024 07:22

I’ve been in the industry for years, as has my husband, and most of our family and friends. I have never heard of someone raising their quote just because it’s for a woman. They will absolutely be misogynistic twats who assume women know nothing but they don’t stick extra digits on the quote because of that.

edit to add the actual sensible thing to do, which is much easier, is just to get quotes from more than one contractor and try to take recommendations from personal contacts. No need to pretend you’re a man. Ffs

SkiingIsHeaven · 08/07/2024 07:16

I did a job for a tree surgeon. He openly told me he charges more for rich people.

I felt like adding an arsehole tax to his job but unfortunately I had already given him his quote.

Sparklfairy · 08/07/2024 07:15

Inlaw · 08/07/2024 01:18

Your BIL is sexist. But yes the ’potentially annoying’ tax does exist. We apply it potentially annoying prospective clients of both sexes.

So maybe the take home is try to present your best least annoying self?

It's a balance isn't it. Yeah there are demanding customers but there are also too many 'tradesmen' who have clocked that they can get away with over-promising and under-delivering. Charge the premium that comes with the premium service and cut every corner going.

This is especially true for 'iceberg' jobs, where most of the corners that are cut can easily be hidden.

We've had a few different ones in lately, and every single one has mansplained utter bullshit at me, decided mid-job to change what was agreed without telling me, tried to cover up lazy mistakes and corner-cutting and even had a mantrum and got threatening when caught out. Unskilled, thick, and greedy 'tradesmen' are endemic where I live but of course I, a mere woman 'who thinks she's all that because she can use Google' (yeah, one did actually say that and no, I didn't get 'you can't lay a patio level, it needs a fall for drainage' from Google) will be labelled 'annoying' for daring to pull them up... Logical.

Maybe the take home should be do the fucking job you're being paid for.

GloriaSmornin · 08/07/2024 07:11

CoffeeCantata · 08/07/2024 06:30

I hope some pps can convince me my prejudice is unfounded (if their relations are builders), but I don't like builders.

I find them intimidating and yes, I often feel they look down on me as a woman and take advantage financially. I'm afraid I've never come across a professional attitude in builders - the ones I've had haven't treated me or my home with respect, and I've had to ask them not to play their music in my house. You'd think that would be obvious - it's my HOME! And because they like to play music, they then have to shout to each other. But very few are courteous and considerate. They also trash the areas of your home they're not actually working on, and basically take over so that you feel your home isn't your own. Some even call out and say 'Put the kettle on!'. I normally show them where the kettle is and leave stuff out and tell them to help themselves, but some of them clearly think you're there to wait on them.

I often see a sign on building sites saying 'We are considerate builders' and I wonder if they actually are. Of course I realise there must be civilised builders out there, but sadly I've never encountered one.

I think they need to have a plug in radio on and have it loud enough to notice if it goes off. This is because of safety with electrics I think?

Jeezitneverends · 08/07/2024 07:04

Sadly I’ve had that experience too, I call it “woman tax”, and also where I live we also get “postcode tax”

Fortunately the trades I use aren’t assholes like OP’s BIL

edited to say, anyone who has quoted a job with “woman tax” gets no work from me

RedHelenB · 08/07/2024 07:00

Never had a problem with tradesmen. And I've dealt with them on my own.i pay what I consider to be a fair price.

AGodawfulsmallaffair · 08/07/2024 06:42

I’m perfectly able to get several quotes and figure out who the chancers are. I don’t need a man to do this. In my experience men can be shit at negotiating anyway because they can’t bear to look tight / penny pinching to other men.
Most builders I’ve had have been lovely because I’ve chosen well.
Hope you told your brother in law he’s a misogynistic cunt.

echt · 08/07/2024 06:36

I'm not in the UK, but since my DH died, I always book tradies in his and my names.

decionsdecisions62 · 08/07/2024 06:33

Yep I'm sure this exists and I've had it myself. Infact DH and I accidentally contacted the same tradesman and got two different quotes for the same job. You can guess which one was higher!

CoffeeCantata · 08/07/2024 06:30

I hope some pps can convince me my prejudice is unfounded (if their relations are builders), but I don't like builders.

I find them intimidating and yes, I often feel they look down on me as a woman and take advantage financially. I'm afraid I've never come across a professional attitude in builders - the ones I've had haven't treated me or my home with respect, and I've had to ask them not to play their music in my house. You'd think that would be obvious - it's my HOME! And because they like to play music, they then have to shout to each other. But very few are courteous and considerate. They also trash the areas of your home they're not actually working on, and basically take over so that you feel your home isn't your own. Some even call out and say 'Put the kettle on!'. I normally show them where the kettle is and leave stuff out and tell them to help themselves, but some of them clearly think you're there to wait on them.

I often see a sign on building sites saying 'We are considerate builders' and I wonder if they actually are. Of course I realise there must be civilised builders out there, but sadly I've never encountered one.

Xis · 08/07/2024 05:41

I get the postcode tax too and the black tax. It’s what it is.

Oblomov24 · 08/07/2024 05:17

The sad thing is that this does go on, and that many posters on here have already said they hire, pretending to be a man, ti get round it.

Marchitectmummy · 08/07/2024 04:36

One utter scum bag does not represent a whole industry. Rather than advising people to pretend they are male advise them to grt multiple quotes. That soon exposes abnormalities within quotes.

mondaytosunday · 08/07/2024 02:39

Really? I've renovated properties to sell on as well as my own. I'm not an idiot. I know the day rates. The one property I did with my husband - well, even though he was a lawyer who handled multi million dollar negotiations he was crap at dealing with tradies.
I'd warn anyone against hiring your BIL - he's pathetic and I hope you told him so.
It is true I have dealt with tradesmen who just don't hear me - one issue was a change in floor levels between rooms. Builder, chippie and even the electrician was there to give an opinion. I was there with my (female) tenant. I suggested they just use a threshold that angled slightly differently each side. They talked about the issue for five minutes, then one of the guys said: 'hey, let's just slope the edges slightly different'. They thought great idea! I looked at my tenant, she looked at me. The problem is not women, it's the men. But you know, ultimately I'm the bank. If they don't understand what I want and how I want to do it and how much I want to pay - there's the door.

Tobacco · 08/07/2024 02:27

He's probably scared of scamming men but thinks he could intimidate a woman if they realised they were being scammed

Tobacco · 08/07/2024 02:24

He's a scammer. As a widow, I hope I don't come across a scammer like him.

trekking1 · 08/07/2024 01:40

Bluebirdover · 08/07/2024 01:32

@trekking1 which isn't funny in this context. So your BIL preys on lone females to rip them off?

If by preys you mean he seeks out women specifically to work for, no. But if a woman wants to hire him he gives a quote that is twice as much as what he would charge a man for the same job, yes. I told him that is a horrible thing to do and he just laughed 🙄

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Bluebirdover · 08/07/2024 01:32

@trekking1 which isn't funny in this context. So your BIL preys on lone females to rip them off?

trekking1 · 08/07/2024 01:30

Bluebirdover · 08/07/2024 01:26

@trekking1 the laughing emoji indicated you thought it was amusing?

It's not!

The emoji was in reference to pretending to be a man

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trekking1 · 08/07/2024 01:30

AmelieTaylor · 08/07/2024 00:52

'Pretend to be a man'

🙄🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

ignoring all the other nonsense, ho do you propose. I do that? Plastic facial surgery? Vocal surgery? Boobs removed?

😂I probably should have explained how because it sounds ridiculous in my op.

When I was hiring an electrician I did it by posting an ad online under a man's name and having all communication with the electrician on there. When they showed up to do the job and found me opening the door I just lied that it was my partner who hired them online, but they are at work right now.

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