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To say a massive well done to the people of France...

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MrsBennetsPoorNerves · 07/07/2024 19:33

For telling the far right National Rally to fuck off to the far side of fuck!!!

So relieved!

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whistleblower99 · 08/07/2024 07:26

decionsdecisions62 · 08/07/2024 06:27

@OvaHere We don't have far left. That would be Marxism/ communism. I can't think of any party that really aligns to that? Jeremy Corbyn is the nearest here. Not sure about France.

You could say during the war that both those 'parties' committed atrocities. Who do you think was worse Stalin or Hitler?

To be fair - the views of many mn’etters and their entitlement to everyone else’s money for not doing very much - is peak communism. Everyone should be paid the same, even if you’ve worked for it and have the intelligence to be a Dr or engineer. There are plenty of extreme left in this country - most of which are on here.

Workoutinthepark · 08/07/2024 07:23

OvaHere · 07/07/2024 19:39

Is hard left any better than hard right? Not convinced.

Hard anything isn't good, but hard left is way better than hard right, because the hard right are unified across the board in the National Front as being complete fascists. The left coalition varies from extreme to less so, with many falling on the sword and withdrawing to help fight a common threat which has a lot of positives and also...no fascists...

The implications of France falling to the hard right only a few decades after WWII is frightening in the extreme. This outcome is a great one given the circumstances.

SallyWD · 08/07/2024 07:20

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Having worked for the housing department of a city council, it's absolutely not the case that veterans are simply left to rot. Many efforts are made to home these people (and other homeless people). Sadly, many have complex mental health problems and addiction issues and this impedes their ability to take responsibility of a home.
And good, I really hope doctors and other professionals are given citizenship. We have a massive sills shortage in this country.

Whenwillitgetwarm · 08/07/2024 07:13

At the end of the day the French have experienced a far right government who work to betray them in favour of a hostile foreign power - The Vichy government. They have long memories. National Rally are very sympathetic to Putin.

The French will also have seen what Brexit did to our economy and are in no hurry to chop off their own legs like we did. Having Putin backed shouty people blame poor people whilst stripping the country bare. Hard nope.

TwigletsAndRadishes · 08/07/2024 07:06

I am just curious why civil war seems to be the go to for some posters ? Why civil war and not a glut of satire or comedy ? Why not people finding common ground ? It seems a huge leap to jump straight to civil war ? Most people have plenty of other things to keep them busy don't they ?

How much do you know about the French?

We British like to grumble under our breath and turn to satire to express our dissatisfaction. The French prefer to riot, strike, set fire to stuff and start revolutions.

decionsdecisions62 · 08/07/2024 06:27

@OvaHere We don't have far left. That would be Marxism/ communism. I can't think of any party that really aligns to that? Jeremy Corbyn is the nearest here. Not sure about France.

You could say during the war that both those 'parties' committed atrocities. Who do you think was worse Stalin or Hitler?

myotherdogisadonkey · 08/07/2024 06:20

@Sakura7 same my friend !

myotherdogisadonkey · 08/07/2024 06:19

@Anonym00se well said. We weren't occupied by fascists because many many brave men and women fought them and lost their lives .The French were invaded and occupied by fascists in case you forgot. My French pal who resides here has a mixed race child and was bloody terrified when it looked like the Far Right might win because she knows what happens to women and children of different races under the Far Right. She was scared for her relatives !She has heard it from elderly relatives who fought them.So yeah I hate fascists and will oppose them everytime they try and spread their hate . No pasaran!

OneTC · 08/07/2024 06:07

France have played this game for generations

xiaotuziguigui · 08/07/2024 05:42

Sakura7 · 07/07/2024 19:50

I for one am not going to apologise for hating racists and fascists. I think that should be the response of any decent person.

And on turns the wheel.

Dontmeantooffendbut · 08/07/2024 05:39

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NiceCutRoundDomeDormice · 08/07/2024 04:29

rainymcrainrain · 07/07/2024 19:48

Amazing how people who think they are progressive and tolerant are just as hateful and intolerant as the people they hate

The “Intolerance of intolerance is intolerant in itself” argument holds no water. It essentially legitimises bigotry.

Hedgeoffressian · 08/07/2024 03:54

Tony Blair is right. If successive governments don’t listen to the electorates concerns on immigration then we will end up with prejudices and more and more people will turn to populist parties in frustration. Labour only won the election because people turned their backs on the Tories and wanted to punish them. Immigration is one of the biggest issues that people are fed up with. France is a prime example of what can happen. Le Pen almost got in and there are riots and divisions. That’s why people voted for Brexit. They thought it would mean the Uk could finally control immigration. But it failed.

It simply isn’t sustainable for Europe to keep being flooded with migrants. They want to come to the Uk because we have the NHS. Word gets around that we have free health care and social housing - they tell their friends in their home countries and then they all want to come and live here.

Do people honestly think we should just let them all in? It’s no wonder the NHS and schools are so overwhelmed. We don’t have enough housing as it is. So should we just let anyone who wants to live here move here and just build and build until we have enough housing? We are a small country - an island. We need to put the people of the UK first and introduce a points based system.
The numbers are so high at the moment that they have admitted that they aren’t able to carry out proper checks on everyone that moves here.

A lot of people are worried about this but just get shouted down as being ‘far-right’ or ‘racist’ by those on the left who will go along with anything just so they can be seen to be virtuous. I actually think some are going along with it regardless of the impact so the Uk can attone for its colonialist past.

HelenaWaiting · 08/07/2024 02:56

MrsBennetsPoorNerves · 07/07/2024 19:33

For telling the far right National Rally to fuck off to the far side of fuck!!!

So relieved!

You do understand that if the exit poll is correct it will be a hung parliament? No party has won.

ClawedUkelele · 08/07/2024 02:42

Freyaaaa · 08/07/2024 02:08

No they weren't.... 1-2 billion dollars in damages is not mostly peaceful. 🥱

If you're feeling sleepy, maybe have a rest and see if that helps rejuvenate your brain a bit.

There were thousands of protests across the US and, depending on the source, between 93-97% (being "most") of the protests passed with no violence and no property damage. Hence the protests were mostly peaceful but, obviously, some were far from.

Incidentally, even at those protests were there were violence, not all of it was by protestors; there were more than 100 instances of vehicles being driven into crowds of protestors (some by scared drivers but some deliberate attacks) and more than 100 instances of journalists being physically attacked by police officers.

Freyaaaa · 08/07/2024 02:08

ClawedUkelele · 08/07/2024 01:42

Yes, so I didn't quibble that part of your post. Just the factually inaccurate part about the deaths, and explaining why the protests were described as "mostly peaceful": i.e. because most of them were.

No they weren't.... 1-2 billion dollars in damages is not mostly peaceful. 🥱

ClawedUkelele · 08/07/2024 01:42

Freyaaaa · 08/07/2024 01:31

Literally 1-2 billion in insured damaged were claimed from the riots. 🥱

Yes, so I didn't quibble that part of your post. Just the factually inaccurate part about the deaths, and explaining why the protests were described as "mostly peaceful": i.e. because most of them were.

TooBigForMyBoots · 08/07/2024 01:42

It's weird how many RW Mnetters don't actually live in the UK.Hmm

Freyaaaa · 08/07/2024 01:31

ClawedUkelele · 08/07/2024 01:26

It's odd that you remember more than 50 deaths in relation to the BLM protests, given that there were a maximum 19 (which includes protestors who were killed, and deaths that may not have been linked to the protests at all).

They were called "mostly peaceful" as they were not one protest but many separate protests across 50 states, involving between 15m and 25m people, and 93-97% (depending on what source you prefer) of the protests involved no violence or property damage.

Literally 1-2 billion in insured damaged were claimed from the riots. 🥱

Freyaaaa · 08/07/2024 01:28

ClawedUkelele · 08/07/2024 01:26

It's odd that you remember more than 50 deaths in relation to the BLM protests, given that there were a maximum 19 (which includes protestors who were killed, and deaths that may not have been linked to the protests at all).

They were called "mostly peaceful" as they were not one protest but many separate protests across 50 states, involving between 15m and 25m people, and 93-97% (depending on what source you prefer) of the protests involved no violence or property damage.

There was massive property and more than 50 deaths.... I'm not going to argue with a fool. I'm just happy we don't have those riots here! Enjoy more peaceful protests from BLM and all the deaths they brings. 🥱

ClawedUkelele · 08/07/2024 01:26

Freyaaaa · 07/07/2024 23:15

I think far right is a term used by the media to anyone who goes against the liberal agenda.

I remember seeing BLM rioting in USA, many buildings burnt down and over 50 deaths in in the protest yet the BBC described the riots as "mostly peaceful"

I remember seeing the BLM riots in London where a police officer got punched in the face by a protestor and the BBC labeled it "passionate protest".

The list is endless.

It's odd that you remember more than 50 deaths in relation to the BLM protests, given that there were a maximum 19 (which includes protestors who were killed, and deaths that may not have been linked to the protests at all).

They were called "mostly peaceful" as they were not one protest but many separate protests across 50 states, involving between 15m and 25m people, and 93-97% (depending on what source you prefer) of the protests involved no violence or property damage.

Freyaaaa · 08/07/2024 01:13

Acapulco12 · 08/07/2024 00:58

What does ‘this’ mean? @Freyaaaa’s post makes no sense and she hasn’t explained it.

I don’t know what the term ‘liberal agenda’ means and Freya hasn’t explained what she means by this.

I also don’t understand the point that Freya is trying to make by mentioning the BLM protests.

Is she saying that the media label people ‘far right’ if they don’t agree with BLM? Because that’s not true and just a lazy attempt to criticise the media.

It's everything the USA + UK is becoming... 🤣

Acapulco12 · 08/07/2024 00:58

Bewareofthisonetoo · 08/07/2024 00:54

This.

What does ‘this’ mean? @Freyaaaa’s post makes no sense and she hasn’t explained it.

I don’t know what the term ‘liberal agenda’ means and Freya hasn’t explained what she means by this.

I also don’t understand the point that Freya is trying to make by mentioning the BLM protests.

Is she saying that the media label people ‘far right’ if they don’t agree with BLM? Because that’s not true and just a lazy attempt to criticise the media.

Bewareofthisonetoo · 08/07/2024 00:54

Freyaaaa · 07/07/2024 23:15

I think far right is a term used by the media to anyone who goes against the liberal agenda.

I remember seeing BLM rioting in USA, many buildings burnt down and over 50 deaths in in the protest yet the BBC described the riots as "mostly peaceful"

I remember seeing the BLM riots in London where a police officer got punched in the face by a protestor and the BBC labeled it "passionate protest".

The list is endless.

This.

Freyaaaa · 08/07/2024 00:03

Cobbledstreets · 07/07/2024 23:58

Hear hear!

Hear hear! Viva la multiculturalism and everything it brings 🥰