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Is modern parenting damaging to kids?

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Rainbowsponge · 07/07/2024 18:47

My friend’s husband is a professional in the area of child development and education. He’s taught at numerous schools, SEN schools and is now a researcher. He doesn’t have children, but I do, and yesterday we were talking about the seeming increase in children with anxiety, mental health issues and what he described as ‘delayed adulthood’.

He’s British but his extended family are from India, and he said visits to see them make a striking contrast between how our children are raised and how theirs are raised. He said children are sort of left to run around in packs and find their own amusement from quite a young age, and as a result they seem more mature and confident.

His theory is that we are interrupting normal development opportunities for kids brains, and therefore they’re not properly developing. He thinks we intervene too much in perfectly ordinary learning opportunities, like playground disagreements, and our quest to make sure our children never feel challenged or upset is actually making them more anxious.

He also thinks softer, more modern punishments are bewildering children and reinforcing bad behaviour, leaving them confused about right and wrong. Children read facial expressions, so seeing us look calm/unbothered rather than angry/disappointed when they’ve done something wrong is counterproductive and blocks them from naturally learning human behaviour and socialisation.

I’m not professing to be a perfect parent at all, but it was a really interesting chat and I want to discuss it further!

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Grandmasswagbag · 08/07/2024 07:30

I believe it's screen use and social media. You can pin point the decline in mental health to smart phone use. The 'anxious generation' highlights it. Children are no longer having a 'biologically normal' childhood so that will have consequences. I think 'poor/gentle/permissive' parenting is to blame for many kids having absolutely no resilience. This is something I see IRL.

OldChinaJug · 08/07/2024 07:30

Superhansrantowindsor · 08/07/2024 07:17

People have forgotten what a normal range of emotions is. Got a test and feel nervous - anxiety. Pet died and your naturally upset - depression. Now don’t get me wrong - mental health issues are real and some kids really are suffering massively, but too often we are too quick to jump in and label a situation when we are not qualified to do so. Kids need to learn resilience.

I agree with this too.

There is a child in my class whose mum has diagnosed her with 'severe OCD and 'anxiety'.

Completely normal emotions to normal life experiences (eg being worried before a spelling test because a child hasn't practised their spellings) are now being labelled as MH conditions.

The second someone's child isn't 'happy', parents are quick to label, blame and diagnose rather than teach their child how to deal with uncomfortable emotions in a positive way.

palomatoast · 08/07/2024 07:23

I think the problem is that too many kids are overprotected from the trivial things while being overexposed to genuinely anxiety-inducing things.

I have a friend who is a primary teacher who says they show their kids newsround every day. Why? Why are 9 year olds learning about Ukraine, Gaza and climate change? And why are they being told to ponder their mental health? It's way too much.

The best way to foster resilience is to ensure kids are exposed to challenges of the right size for their age (e.g. losing a teddy bear, losing a gymnastics competition) in a safe and stable environment.

OldChinaJug · 08/07/2024 07:23

Rainbowsponge · 07/07/2024 18:47

My friend’s husband is a professional in the area of child development and education. He’s taught at numerous schools, SEN schools and is now a researcher. He doesn’t have children, but I do, and yesterday we were talking about the seeming increase in children with anxiety, mental health issues and what he described as ‘delayed adulthood’.

He’s British but his extended family are from India, and he said visits to see them make a striking contrast between how our children are raised and how theirs are raised. He said children are sort of left to run around in packs and find their own amusement from quite a young age, and as a result they seem more mature and confident.

His theory is that we are interrupting normal development opportunities for kids brains, and therefore they’re not properly developing. He thinks we intervene too much in perfectly ordinary learning opportunities, like playground disagreements, and our quest to make sure our children never feel challenged or upset is actually making them more anxious.

He also thinks softer, more modern punishments are bewildering children and reinforcing bad behaviour, leaving them confused about right and wrong. Children read facial expressions, so seeing us look calm/unbothered rather than angry/disappointed when they’ve done something wrong is counterproductive and blocks them from naturally learning human behaviour and socialisation.

I’m not professing to be a perfect parent at all, but it was a really interesting chat and I want to discuss it further!

I'm a teacher and a parent and I think there is a fair amount of truth in what he says.

One of the reasons schools have introduced 'forest school' sessions is because it is recognised that children need to explore and learn for themselves. It builds their confidence in their abilities to assess risk and self esteem.

We actively teach things like resilience, risk taking and other skills that previously would have been developed naturally through experience.

whyhavetheygotsomany · 08/07/2024 07:17

user1471538275 · 07/07/2024 22:15

@whyhavetheygotsomany I'm baffled - you think children are anxious because we are not shaming an hurting them or leaving them to be killed in traffic or home accidents?

Oh give over will you. Of course I'm not saying that. You are saying that's what all kids used to have to go through. Total rubbish.

Superhansrantowindsor · 08/07/2024 07:17

People have forgotten what a normal range of emotions is. Got a test and feel nervous - anxiety. Pet died and your naturally upset - depression. Now don’t get me wrong - mental health issues are real and some kids really are suffering massively, but too often we are too quick to jump in and label a situation when we are not qualified to do so. Kids need to learn resilience.

TheBanffie · 08/07/2024 07:16

Sadly lack of supervision will contribute to higher incidence of accidental injury - the rates of which are much higher in low to middle income countries (clearly there are many causes but kids roaming around unsupervised is one of them). www.unicef.org/health

MushMonster · 08/07/2024 07:14

I think he is right. Children need boundaries, firm ones, to learn properly. Otherwise they get anxious because they are unsure if all is going well or not.
I do show mine when I am upset, angry, tired, happy, proud... name it.
I would not let them run wild in the forest for hours on their own, but this never been told off, always calm parenting style thing, I think it is counterproductive, to be honest. Something towards the middle and, yes, let them face and sort their issues. We are meant to intervene only if things get physical/ dangerous.

WhatNoRaisins · 08/07/2024 07:07

A real problem for millennial aged people and current young adults was that a lot of them had parents who had free range childhoods themselves with hands off parents that then had to parent in a different way. That's never easy.

My own parents seemed to expect me to somehow acquire the same life skills that they did at the same age while having a completely different childhood. For example I was literally expected to know how to safely ride my bike on the road with no teaching or prior experience just because they did at that age.

The advantage I think we have as parents now is that we know that we will need to find ways to actually teach our kids the life skills they need. We know we can't just be hands off and leave it to our child's peers or for them to learn passively through their environment.

ForGreyKoala · 08/07/2024 04:33

BabyFedUp445 · 08/07/2024 04:01

YABU. Lots of people on this thread with rose tinted glasses.

Lots of people on this thread who can't seem to understand that what they experienced in the past wasn't the same for everyone!

BabyFedUp445 · 08/07/2024 04:01

YABU. Lots of people on this thread with rose tinted glasses.

ForGreyKoala · 08/07/2024 02:55

user1471538275 · 07/07/2024 21:57

Ah yes that wonderful free range childhood from the past - where children were killed or seriously injured in traffic at a massive rate (12,478 in 1979 to 1,980 in 2013 - down 84 per cent) despite less traffic

All that wonderful childhood independence where children were left alone to die or be permanently harmed through accidents in the home - burns, scalds, strangulation, electrocution

As well as the constant brutality from poor parenting and also at school which left adults with long term mental health concerns - see Nicky Campbell, Earl Spencer and quite frankly the majority of people who were beaten and humiliated as children to control them through fear and shame.

I think people have a rose tinted view of the past. It was pretty crap from what I remember as a child.

Parents barely parented, didn't give a toot about your development and slapped you silly for no good reason other than they were having a bad day and you'd looked at them wrong.

We are better parents now. We're not perfect but it would be great if we focused on developing skills as parents rather than looking back to a past that I think is best forgotten.

Don't be so ridiculous. Just because you had shit parents doesn't mean that all parents were shit. This sort of nonsense really annoys me.

If you look around you will find that there are still plenty of shit parents, and children who are neglected and/or abused.

For every person like you there are many more who had great parents, who were able to bring them up without coddling them and taught them how to manage risks - and yes, loved them at the same time.

My school days were fine, but there certainly wasn't the pressure on kids that there is today - and some of that pressure comes from the parents btw.

I daresay I am older than you and I don't know a single child who died from an accident in the home. The only person I know who was electrocuted was an adult.

Melisha · 08/07/2024 00:30

@BestZebbie a mini first aid kit does not help a student who tries to set their own broken toe. I did not have plasters as a student, but I just used tissues/toilet paper.

Melisha · 08/07/2024 00:16

BestZebbie · 07/07/2024 23:33

From the dangers you list, I assume you were an older child/tween in the 80s and a teen in the early 90s? I suspect the parents of 13-19yr girls in the 1980s were probably worried about teen pregnancy too (in the 1780s and 1880s as well!) rather than some of those concerns just being an 80s or a 90s thing.
Although, you are right, we need to worry about smallpox less and sexting more, nowadays....

Single teen mums were the moral panic of the eighties. It was partly because social mores were changing. So teenage girls still got pregnant, but unlike in previous generations, a gunshot marriage was far less likely. What usually happened was the teenager had the child, had to leave school, and ended up on benefits bringing up a child alone.

LGBirmingham · 08/07/2024 00:13

mollyfolk · 07/07/2024 23:31

I don’t think an unstable life grows resilience in general at all.

I think it’s more that parents are too quick to jump in and try and fix things. Like if a child has a mildly unfair experience at school- you are sympathetic, you try and help them figure out a solution themselves or a way to come to terms with it. You don’t ring up the school and fix the whole problem for them. Helping them deal with minor disappointments is important.

It’s knowing when you give the support and knowing when you need to step in and fix it for them. It’s a tricky balance that I struggle with.

Mine isn't in school yet, I hope that I will just let him get on with it when he's there. But I guess sometimes you have to get involved if there's bullying or something.

BestZebbie · 08/07/2024 00:06

ConsuelaHammock · 07/07/2024 23:56

I joined a Facebook group called ‘what you wish you knew about university’.
There are an awfully larger number of young adults still being mollycoddled by their parents. Literally buying and packing absolutely everything their child could possibly need for uni including things like batteries, plasters, paracetamol . Surely an 18 year old can buy their own paracetamol if they need it. I was sent off to university with bedding, clothes and my cd player. I have to bite my tongue or I’d get banned.

Hmm...we are still doing primary school so I don't yet have skin in this game, but I'd think a mini first aid kit is quite a useful thing for a student to have.
If you cut your finger as a student it is unlikely to be convenient to immediately run off to Boots for some Savlon/a plaster (also students are not always great at prioritising - I tried to set my own broken toe at uni, so now I'm 42 and have a wonky toe). I always take this kind of thing on holiday as an adult - it takes up very little room in a washbag.
Maybe I'm going to be part of the problem :-)

SwordToFlamethrower · 08/07/2024 00:02

Absolutely 100% agree with your husband! Especially about the facial expressions and understanding right and wrong. I can't stand seeing parents speak gently to kids who have just punched them in the face or something!!

Absolute madness. If a kid does something wrong, it needs to be clear and with an annoyed expression

Inlaw · 08/07/2024 00:00

I have a 2 year old so this is interesting reading thank you.

I have no idea what my parenting style is. 9/10 I’m just trying to get everyone through the day alive and happy.

Should I be thinking about this? I do think there’s a lot of anxiety these days and I’m wondering if over analysis is part of the cause. Then equally reflection and thinking about this is probably a good thing.

ConsuelaHammock · 07/07/2024 23:56

I joined a Facebook group called ‘what you wish you knew about university’.
There are an awfully larger number of young adults still being mollycoddled by their parents. Literally buying and packing absolutely everything their child could possibly need for uni including things like batteries, plasters, paracetamol . Surely an 18 year old can buy their own paracetamol if they need it. I was sent off to university with bedding, clothes and my cd player. I have to bite my tongue or I’d get banned.

VotesAndGoats · 07/07/2024 23:56

Riversideandrelax · 07/07/2024 21:31

I feel like this happens a lot with schools and some parents too that an issue is made out of things that don't need to be issues and so conflict is created when no conflict is needed.

For example the almost zero tolerance on DC ever being off sick. Unfortunately, my DD has Long COVID and on top of this she catches everything, gets it more seriously than most and then can be left with post viral fatigue. Sadly, I cannot cure her of this. So yes, sometimes she misses school. But I get it in the neck! My GP told me to just ignore them, but it is very hard when you are being lectured by some ignorant person from the LA!

It carries on when you start work. 😂 Just let me be off sick in peace FFS.

The thing is, I was for years a trooper, always showing up, never off sick. Burned out and decided to start actually taking sick leave when I was ill. And get it in the bloody neck for it.

Sosorryliver · 07/07/2024 23:43

NannyGythaOgg · 07/07/2024 23:14

It is so so sad that you, and others like you, are hobbling your children.

Overprotecting kids makes them more vulnerable and less able to cope as adults

My children do have a lot of age appropriate freedom. It's a balance, there are lots of people who I grew up with who did drugs(lots of them dead)/ teenage pregnancy/ went off to prison etc. Failing to protect children makes them more vulnerable too. Just because I swam doesn't mean we should forget those who sank.

Justrolledmyeyesoutloud · 07/07/2024 23:39

CelesteCunningham · 07/07/2024 21:01

I have zero scientific backup for this, but I'm guessing: let them fail.

Let them get in trouble for refusing to do their homework, let them forget their PE gear, let them get cold if they refuse to bring a coat (age appropriate obviously, not toddlers!). All those small little fuck ups help them learn and problem solve.

Yes, l love a natural consequence.
My dd used to moan every single week about training at 6am on the weekend - kept telling we would be late and one say, we were - the walk of shame because we arrived late taught her to get up earlier!!

BestZebbie · 07/07/2024 23:33

quockerwodger · 07/07/2024 19:07

I'm more worried about my DD growing up too fast and doing things that are irreversible and regretful. In the 90s my parents were worried about teen pregnancy and binge drinking. I think 80s parents worried about drugs and blokes in the parks with puppies.

Every generation of parents has some concern or other, rightly I would say.

From the dangers you list, I assume you were an older child/tween in the 80s and a teen in the early 90s? I suspect the parents of 13-19yr girls in the 1980s were probably worried about teen pregnancy too (in the 1780s and 1880s as well!) rather than some of those concerns just being an 80s or a 90s thing.
Although, you are right, we need to worry about smallpox less and sexting more, nowadays....

mollyfolk · 07/07/2024 23:31

LGBirmingham · 07/07/2024 21:36

And it's probably the same for me. Some really unideal things happened in my childhood. It's funny because I've got friends who grew up with two loving parents in stable nuclear families who really struggle with anxiety now, whereas on paper it ought to be me not them.

But a lot of those things are from my unstable childhood I would ever emulate as a parent. So how do I give my son resilience whilst also tying to give him a stable home life?

I don’t think an unstable life grows resilience in general at all.

I think it’s more that parents are too quick to jump in and try and fix things. Like if a child has a mildly unfair experience at school- you are sympathetic, you try and help them figure out a solution themselves or a way to come to terms with it. You don’t ring up the school and fix the whole problem for them. Helping them deal with minor disappointments is important.

It’s knowing when you give the support and knowing when you need to step in and fix it for them. It’s a tricky balance that I struggle with.

Alicewinn · 07/07/2024 23:24

Yep sounds about right