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Is modern parenting damaging to kids?

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Rainbowsponge · 07/07/2024 18:47

My friend’s husband is a professional in the area of child development and education. He’s taught at numerous schools, SEN schools and is now a researcher. He doesn’t have children, but I do, and yesterday we were talking about the seeming increase in children with anxiety, mental health issues and what he described as ‘delayed adulthood’.

He’s British but his extended family are from India, and he said visits to see them make a striking contrast between how our children are raised and how theirs are raised. He said children are sort of left to run around in packs and find their own amusement from quite a young age, and as a result they seem more mature and confident.

His theory is that we are interrupting normal development opportunities for kids brains, and therefore they’re not properly developing. He thinks we intervene too much in perfectly ordinary learning opportunities, like playground disagreements, and our quest to make sure our children never feel challenged or upset is actually making them more anxious.

He also thinks softer, more modern punishments are bewildering children and reinforcing bad behaviour, leaving them confused about right and wrong. Children read facial expressions, so seeing us look calm/unbothered rather than angry/disappointed when they’ve done something wrong is counterproductive and blocks them from naturally learning human behaviour and socialisation.

I’m not professing to be a perfect parent at all, but it was a really interesting chat and I want to discuss it further!

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Rainbowsponge · 07/07/2024 19:27

Hummingbird75 · 07/07/2024 19:25

Kids now are less likely than ever to be smacked, more likely to have a huge variety of toys and activities, awareness of mental health is 20 times what it was when I was little

Children are less likely than ever to be smacked has been conflated with poor mental health oddly op.

Has it?!

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Riversideandrelax · 07/07/2024 19:26

Rainbowsponge · 07/07/2024 18:47

My friend’s husband is a professional in the area of child development and education. He’s taught at numerous schools, SEN schools and is now a researcher. He doesn’t have children, but I do, and yesterday we were talking about the seeming increase in children with anxiety, mental health issues and what he described as ‘delayed adulthood’.

He’s British but his extended family are from India, and he said visits to see them make a striking contrast between how our children are raised and how theirs are raised. He said children are sort of left to run around in packs and find their own amusement from quite a young age, and as a result they seem more mature and confident.

His theory is that we are interrupting normal development opportunities for kids brains, and therefore they’re not properly developing. He thinks we intervene too much in perfectly ordinary learning opportunities, like playground disagreements, and our quest to make sure our children never feel challenged or upset is actually making them more anxious.

He also thinks softer, more modern punishments are bewildering children and reinforcing bad behaviour, leaving them confused about right and wrong. Children read facial expressions, so seeing us look calm/unbothered rather than angry/disappointed when they’ve done something wrong is counterproductive and blocks them from naturally learning human behaviour and socialisation.

I’m not professing to be a perfect parent at all, but it was a really interesting chat and I want to discuss it further!

That is interesting and I think there is something in it.

However, the DC I have known to be harshly punished are always the worst behaved. Especially when their parents aren't watching! They don't care if their parent is disappointed or whatever they just care not to get caught! I have never punished my DC and they are really well behaved. They care if I am upset with them or angry. I've not had half the problems most parents seem to have. Just my two penneth!

sleekcat · 07/07/2024 19:25

I think he has a point, I do think parents can be way too involved and controlling in their children's lives. They are well-meaning but does it help?
I used to get fed up when my child argued with friends when they had come over for a play date. They would come to me with every little issue. In the end I started saying to them that if they couldn't get on there was no point playing together and (friend) might as well go home. That forced them to sort it out on their own and they did.

I allowed my children a lot of freedom but screens can be the ultimate enemy, children sometimes will rather play on a screen than play with a friend. I also think some children don't have enough unstructured time and fill up too many days with activities and clubs. Unstructured time was all I looked forward to after school, because it's mentally relaxing. I did have a hobby but only one.

Hummingbird75 · 07/07/2024 19:25

Kids now are less likely than ever to be smacked, more likely to have a huge variety of toys and activities, awareness of mental health is 20 times what it was when I was little

Children are less likely than ever to be smacked has been conflated with poor mental health oddly op.

JSMill · 07/07/2024 19:24

OrwellianTimes · 07/07/2024 19:00

The book “the anxious generation” covers this. Yes we are denying children development opportunities with modern screen based parenting, but the horse has kind of bolted.

I was just coming on to say this!

Hummingbird75 · 07/07/2024 19:23

My children have had a wonderful idyllic English childhood in the countryside, so I don't agree. It still very much exists, but not everywhere.

I didn't see any children playing in the streets of Geneva, Zurich or other cities or Athens etc. It depends where you raise your children, as to how much freedom is safe for them.

Rainbowsponge · 07/07/2024 19:22

Hummingbird75 · 07/07/2024 19:20

We gave our children quite a bit of outside freedom, but that is due to where we live, I wouldn't feel so comfortable in a city.

Corporal punishment is abuse.
It should never be reintroduced.

The one single biggest advancement in parenting is that parents no longer hit and smack their children. It is so damaging.
Children that get used to living in home where violence is condoned, can go on to think violence is normal and continue with domestic violence, common assault etc. We have much happier children for not hitting them and using fear as a tactic instead of explanation and parenting in my view.

Abuse is normalised in some cultures, that does not make it right.

My OP didn’t suggest reintroducing corporal punishment?

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fungipie · 07/07/2024 19:21

grazes, not crazes!

Rainbowsponge · 07/07/2024 19:21

He moved into research because of dissatisfaction at how challenges were handled at school. If a pupil said they ‘felt overwhelmed by the classroom’, rather than asking why and work out ways of increasing their social stamina they would simply be handed a card which meant they could leave the room at any time.

I feel like in general people would agree with my OP but in specific situations they don’t apply it. So they might say ‘yes I agree children are too cosseted’ but if their own child was upset that somebody was mean to them, it would be ‘different’ and off to the teacher they go.

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Hummingbird75 · 07/07/2024 19:20

We gave our children quite a bit of outside freedom, but that is due to where we live, I wouldn't feel so comfortable in a city.

Corporal punishment is abuse.
It should never be reintroduced.

The one single biggest advancement in parenting is that parents no longer hit and smack their children. It is so damaging.
Children that get used to living in home where violence is condoned, can go on to think violence is normal and continue with domestic violence, common assault etc. We have much happier children for not hitting them and using fear as a tactic instead of explanation and parenting in my view.

Abuse is normalised in some cultures, that does not make it right.

fungipie · 07/07/2024 19:19

I am so glad some of my grandchildren are growing up in Switzerland. They have to walk to school, and are allowed to do all sorts of activities, sport and otherwise, in the woods, nature, the lake, etc. Much more like my childhood in the late 60s and early 70s. Much more free and independent. They do get crazes, but they have built in naural balance because of this, which protects from all sorts of more serious injuries. Win, win and more win.

helpfulperson · 07/07/2024 19:17

I think we are sleep walking into a situation where young adults can't deal with problems on their own without needing parental support. You need to practice dealing with small problems so when you have to deal with a big one you know where to start. It will be interested to see how todays 20 to 30 year olds deal with parenting.

VitaminX · 07/07/2024 19:16

I have barely seen my 9 year old all day. She's been out with friends going from house to house and all round the neighbourhood. They were here for a bit this afternoon and I threw some snacks at them but she's fairly free range.

I'm not sure she'd be able to have that sort of day in England, which is where I'm from but not where we live. Even if I let her out I suspect she'd have trouble finding a pack of mates whose parents were willing to do the same.

Errors · 07/07/2024 19:15

NuffSaidSam · 07/07/2024 19:06

I agree with him.

There is so much pressure on parents now to make sure their child never, ever feels sad or scared or disappointed and is never, ever allowed to take any risk that might possibly end in injury and then we wonder why they can't cope with the world as older teens/adults.

Agreed. It does not teach kids to be resilient at all

Sosorryliver · 07/07/2024 19:14

OrwellianTimes · 07/07/2024 19:01

I’m a child of the 80’s and never roamed in gangs anywhere. We played a lot in neighbours gardens though, but never left the street.

It was a pretty rough estate tbf. I’ve often said I was self raised like bread. I’m sure other people had more supervision but people would take dogs down to the bottom of the stairs (we lived in flats) and shoo them out for a walk. Pretty much the same with children. I used to walk to the local library ( maybe a mile and a half) and spend hours reading. No one knew where I was.

EdithStourton · 07/07/2024 19:14

I think he's spot on.
I had a fairly feral childhood out with other kids, but quite clear rules and standards were imposed and expected at home.

Errors · 07/07/2024 19:12

OrwellianTimes · 07/07/2024 19:00

The book “the anxious generation” covers this. Yes we are denying children development opportunities with modern screen based parenting, but the horse has kind of bolted.

I was going to post about this. Absolutely backs up what your friend is saying OP.
We over police their time in the real world and don’t police it enough online

WhitegreeNcandle · 07/07/2024 19:11

Agree with you. But also massively agree with screen time being awful for kids. My 12 year old lost his phone 2 weeks ago which we aren’t replacing in a rush. Having seen the change in his behaviour we may not get another one at all. He had strict limits and gamed for 2 hours on a weeekend day but the lack of “can I play on my phone now” has triggered his imagination in a way that is lovely to see.

CelesteCunningham · 07/07/2024 19:11

Yes I agree (although I have young DC and I'm sure I'm guilty of some of it). I teach at a university and the lack of resilience at the cohort level is concerning.

summershere99 · 07/07/2024 19:11

One of my DCs spends an awful lot of time playing outside with the neighbours - running between houses and gardens and over the road to the park. I'm really pleased she has this opportunity because I know, from chatting to other parents who don't live near us, that this is not very common now. In fact, a few were really surprised that she does 'play out' every day after school.

I do think it does teach them great social skills and how to co-operate and how to solve problems and to make up after an argument.

But I know this is very dependent on where you live. And how 'safe' you feel your area is.

Rainbowsponge · 07/07/2024 19:09

I also find it fascinating! Kids now are less likely than ever to be smacked, more likely to have a huge variety of toys and activities, awareness of mental health is 20 times what it was when I was little. But, and I’m not a ‘good old days’ type believe me, they seem so much unhappier now.

I agree about screen use. I caught the bus home from work the other day a little early and it was full of secondary pupils. All of them - every single one - was sat starting down at their phones, not speaking. It was a marked contrast from my old school bus, which was seen as a chance to gossip/hope the only free seat was next to your crush/share magazines etc

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combinationpadlock · 07/07/2024 19:08

Things that damage children most in my opinion are "gentle parenting" and screen time. Also pathologising of perfectly normal nervousness or shyness as a mental health problem is very counterproductive.

quockerwodger · 07/07/2024 19:07

I'm more worried about my DD growing up too fast and doing things that are irreversible and regretful. In the 90s my parents were worried about teen pregnancy and binge drinking. I think 80s parents worried about drugs and blokes in the parks with puppies.

Every generation of parents has some concern or other, rightly I would say.

NuffSaidSam · 07/07/2024 19:06

I agree with him.

There is so much pressure on parents now to make sure their child never, ever feels sad or scared or disappointed and is never, ever allowed to take any risk that might possibly end in injury and then we wonder why they can't cope with the world as older teens/adults.

DelurkingAJ · 07/07/2024 19:05

I say this on here a lot. I’m an 80s child and I never once ‘played out’ without supervision before secondary school and seem to have grown up able to evaluate risk and function just fine. If I were going to point a finger it would be at social media, not parenting. Comparison being the thief of joy and all that (I can’t even imagine how miserable I could have made myself at 14 if I’d been comparing my tame but lovely weekends to those of the cool set!).

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