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Would you move tables at a Cafe?

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Southlondoner88 · 07/07/2024 12:10

So I’m inclined to say before I begin that maybe I was being a bit unreasonable but with good reason.

I am studying for really intense exams this week, had to get myself out of the house before I go insane so I came to a local Cafe Nero to do some work and have lunch. I chose a booth for 4 people partly because it was the only seat available when I first came in that looked comfortable and in the quiet area down the back. I would never sit at large booth on my own if this was a restaurant or a pub but it’s a chain, a lot of people do this and I see it all the time.

I was in deep intense study, earphones on, feeling great about myself and my productivity when a woman with her husband and adult child (I’m assuming) came to tap me on the shoulder. She asked if I could sit in the booth on the other side of me, there no please, excuse me or even a smile. I thought about it for a second, this is something I would normally agree to, I have previously swapped bus seats or airplane seats so children can sit together etc and would normally do this without being asked. If they were elderly or had toddlers/ babies or even if they just seemed nice I may have moved as I am a genuinely a nice person(people pleaser). However, after a quick scan of the situation, I politely declined and said I need this booth as there’s a charging socket here. I also didn’t really think they absolutely needed it, there were other seats/ tables free but I guess they wanted a booth. I also might have been persuaded if she was polite but I found her tone quite rude from the beginning and I was proved right because as soon as I declined, she said ‘so your just going to take up a booth because you need to charge your laptop?’ I then just said no again and turned away to which I was then called an ‘arrogant bitch.’ They clearly wanted an argument so I tried to ignore. They sat down at the booth in question and just pulled another seat over so it’s not as if they had nowhere to sit. They also sat there for no longer than 10 minutes and when they left, the woman turned to me and said ‘ hope you have a really shit rest of the day,’ again in a very aggressive tone.

I just think wow, it’s a public, chain cafe where seats are first come, first serve.. why on earth would you even bother someone clearly busy and comfortable when you only wanted to sit there for 10 minutes.

Also I’m not the only one here who is taking up extra space, there’s a couple opposite me sitting at a table for 6. I don’t know why they targeted me, probably because I’m a lone woman and look quite young for my age (been told this and still get ID’d in my 30’s.

it’s really annoyed me and I felt a bit shaky as I hate confrontation.

sorry excessively long post but think it needed context!

OP posts:
Simonjt · 07/07/2024 16:40

CallThatCloudy · 07/07/2024 12:19

Yeah, its a coffee shop, not an office.

Yes this, where we live coffee tables have allocated a small number of single chaie tables for laptop users. It of course isn’t an excuse or reason for someone to be horrible.

XenoBitch · 07/07/2024 16:37

Only on MN will people insist you move when a smaller table becomes available. They also insist a group of people queue together, and not reserve tables.

You did nothing wrong, and the lady giving you agro was a CF.

Good luck with your studying.

BettyBardMacDonald · 07/07/2024 16:36

But this isn't about what the cafe management wants. They are always free to step in, but they weren't a party to the situation the OP is writing about. And many cafes encourage working customers.

No patron has the right to kick another patron out of their seat. Solos have just as much right to ample space as anyone else, and because a booth COULD seat four doesn't mean it MUST always be used to seat four. She also wanted the space and the charging station, in addition to the number of potential "seats."

"Families" and "groups" shouldn't expect to inevitably take precedence over people who are out in the world solo.

As others have noted, if OP were a big bloke, I doubt she/he would have been approached. It seems to always be unattached women who are expected to defer. I'd not move just to take a stand against that unreasonable societal norm, aside from all of the other good reasons to not move.

SiobhanSharpe · 07/07/2024 16:32

skilpadde · 07/07/2024 12:31

I think you're feeling a bit shaky about it because on some level you know you were unreasonable. It makes sense for a single person to move out of a table/booth for 4 if there's more suitable seating and there isn't seating available for groups of 3 or 4. It would have caused you no hardship (using a charging point is a perk, not a right).

It's completely different to being asked to move from your booked seat on an aeroplane.

The OP clearly states she would have moved, and has done so previously, had the woman not been so rude, effectively demanding that she give up her place for them.
You catch more flies with honey than with vinegar.

HowIrresponsible · 07/07/2024 16:29

chillycat · 07/07/2024 16:23

Totally agree with the people who are arguing for you not being unreasonable.

It's a coffee shop, you buy coffee, you choose your seat. If you choose to be in your own company - reading, working, studying for example - how is this less legitimate than sitting with someone else doing small talk?
People need to be less rude and more respectful of other people that may or may not be doing their life in a different way to them.

Edited

I'd wager the cafe would rather have 2-4 people at a 4 person table who leave and are replaced by more people all buying food / coffee than one student who buys lunch at £10 and is there for the day.

They should ask people to move. They're running a business.

chillycat · 07/07/2024 16:23

Totally agree with the people who are arguing for you not being unreasonable.

It's a coffee shop, you buy coffee, you choose your seat. If you choose to be in your own company - reading, working, studying for example - how is this less legitimate than sitting with someone else doing small talk?
People need to be less rude and more respectful of other people that may or may not be doing their life in a different way to them.

TorturedPoetsDepartmentAnthology · 07/07/2024 16:19

Both were unreasonable but they were incredibly rude to you.

SDTGisAnEvilWolefGenius · 07/07/2024 16:17

The library was shut, @Astrabees - and can you rent a hot desk, last minute, on a Sunday?

tennisfann · 07/07/2024 16:16

I was in Switzerland recently and noticed lots of polite notices on cafe tables for four people requesting that those tables are only used for three or more people. I thought this was a really good idea and I didn’t witness any verbal abuse happening.

Astrabees · 07/07/2024 16:15

If you want to work or study go to a library or hire a hot desk for a day. I am sick and tired of there being no seats and no atmosphere in coffee shops because of the lap top brigade. You were spoken to in a very rude way but I think you have no idea of how exasperating people who hog seats for hours are. The party only stayed 10 minutes ? Yes, this is how long a quick coffee with friends takes.

SDTGisAnEvilWolefGenius · 07/07/2024 16:14

SwordToFlamethrower · 07/07/2024 15:58

Go to the library if you want to study. You were bang out of order

Difficult for the OP to do, @SwordToFlamethrower, given that she said the library was shut, it being a Sunday.

StrawberrySquash · 07/07/2024 16:13

YANBU on balance. Etiquette varies on laptop working, so different places have different policies. So long as you respect them and try to aware of not taking the piss if it's busy I think it's fine.

Whereas I think she was pretty rude. There were other seats so it's just tough luck her prefered one wasn't available. Even if it had been the only large table I don't have a lot of time for people who act entitled with this sort of thing. You are putting the other person out so acknowledge it. 'I'm terribly sorry, but could I sit down, I'm pregnant, have hurt my leg etc...' rather than 'Let me sit down'.

BettyBardMacDonald · 07/07/2024 16:13

GreenTeaLikesMe · 07/07/2024 15:53

And taking up a booth for four is really not OK.

Not if she needs that space.

If it were a mother with lots of baby supplies and an infant in a sling, would she be called selfish to spread out in a booth? How about a large single person who is not comfortable in chairs? A couple who are using a laptop to view houses on Rightmove or gps software?

People have all sorts of reasons for wanting a booth. Just because it can seat four doesn't mean other uses are inferior. It's not A&E; people are free to go elsewhere.

macaroniandcheeze · 07/07/2024 16:12

This reminds me of a time at a park when I asked a lady sitting at a picnic bench on her own whether I could “perch on this end for 2 mins while I wait for my husband to come back from the cafe” and she said no!
So I said ok, stood further away from the bench, husband came back, we walked off. She was still alone the whole time. She could have just said yes until my friends come or something. I didn’t want to join her!! lol. Unfriendly behaviour. But I didn’t call her a bitch or say anything rude like the people in OP’s story. She didn’t give a reason but she didn’t really need to.
People going off on each other in public places is so common now, I can’t imagine calling that lady a bitch. Even if I thought it!

Workhardcryharder · 07/07/2024 16:12

Killingoffmyflowersonebyone · 07/07/2024 14:48

Just as it's not up to you either.

But, judging by the replies on this thread...most people agree with me. OP was a CF.

Edited

No it’s up to individual coffee shop owners. Whom I can’t expect would tell a whole group of regulars not to come to their coffee shop to please a bunch of entitled grumps

macaroniandcheeze · 07/07/2024 16:07

Not unreasonable. You can sit wherever you want in a cafe. It is mildly annoying when 1 or 2 people take up a larger table but that’s life, people are everywhere and they are mildly annoying. They found somewhere else to sit, you had a reason (the plug) not that you needed to give them one, and their attitude was unnecessary.

Macaroni46 · 07/07/2024 16:04

ItsalwaysNovember · 07/07/2024 12:25

I was at the park with my dd last week she has ASD and needed to sit as was overwhelmed. There was one free bench so we sat there in the middle and my bag on one side of me. 2 women came over they had 3 children with them and stood about 30 cm in front of me and just stared ??!! So I ignored them till one said ‘we need to sit down’ I just stared at her and thought wtf you can see we are here and it’s obvious dd was having some difficulties. She tutted and they walked off !

Why couldn't you move your bag so one of them could sit down?

ClassicQuill · 07/07/2024 16:03

I don't fully understand the problem. It's a table of 4, and you're taking up 1 seat. There are 3 seat left.

3 adults arrive and, whilst they are not entitled to your seat and should accept you saying no to their requests, they could just sit at the three free seats, no?

You are not entitled to the three free seats, they are not entitled to your one occupied seat. Everyone wins, though!

Nothereisnotashortage · 07/07/2024 16:03

Birdingbear · 07/07/2024 13:13

Wish people who wanted to do work would avoid coffee shops and go to a library or somewhere else

People pay to come here for a coffee and a chat etc. If you're sitting at a booth fir an hour thinking it's OK to order a coffee once an hour....don't think that's ok. You've no thought for other customers, especially taking up a booth

This ⬆️. I think it’s unreasonable to use a coffee shop as a library, taking up a lot of space, using a lot of electricity and prob buying very little for the time that you have spent in there. Who do you think makes the coffee shop more money, you or the people whi asked you to move, who bought drinks and only stayed 10 mins? I don’t agree with people working in or holding interviews in coffee shops, they are often talking very loudly on their phones or asking questions very loudly and seem annoyed when you are sitting having a chat. It can be anti social. Go to the library or pay for an office space. Most of this seems to be a consequence of covid.

SmudgeButt · 07/07/2024 16:03

Well you had me at her not saying please. If she can't be polite she can go swivel.

DonnaBanana · 07/07/2024 16:02

I do think it’s a bit rude to take up a space for four when it’s busy like that but she should have been far more polite and graceful. When she called you an arrogant B word she gave up her human rights at that point as far as I’m concerned so screw her

Whammyammy · 07/07/2024 16:02

You were right not to move, she was an entitled CF.
My husband and I have received similar requests/abuse about parking his motorbike in space that "is meant for cars", luckily my husband is a big bloke so they soon scuttle off...

Riversideandrelax · 07/07/2024 16:01

EvangelicalAboutButteredToast · 07/07/2024 15:59

If there was a problem with where the poster was sitting it was up to the other party to ask staff if they might make that space available to them. It’s absolutely not up to the individual to be aggressive to another customer to try and intimidate them into moving. The fact that some of you think that was acceptable behaviour blows my mind.

Edited

Quite. It's astonishing that people think they can dictate in a cafe!!

Riversideandrelax · 07/07/2024 16:00

SwordToFlamethrower · 07/07/2024 15:58

Go to the library if you want to study. You were bang out of order

It's up to the cafe what they want people to do in their café not random members of the public. They have plugs precisely so people will work there and spend a lot of money. They'd rather that than 10 minute woman who clearly wasn't even having lunch.

EvangelicalAboutButteredToast · 07/07/2024 15:59

If there was a problem with where the poster was sitting it was up to the other party to ask staff if they might make that space available to them. It’s absolutely not up to the individual to be aggressive to another customer to try and intimidate them into moving. The fact that some of you think that was acceptable behaviour blows my mind.

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