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Would you move tables at a Cafe?

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Southlondoner88 · 07/07/2024 12:10

So I’m inclined to say before I begin that maybe I was being a bit unreasonable but with good reason.

I am studying for really intense exams this week, had to get myself out of the house before I go insane so I came to a local Cafe Nero to do some work and have lunch. I chose a booth for 4 people partly because it was the only seat available when I first came in that looked comfortable and in the quiet area down the back. I would never sit at large booth on my own if this was a restaurant or a pub but it’s a chain, a lot of people do this and I see it all the time.

I was in deep intense study, earphones on, feeling great about myself and my productivity when a woman with her husband and adult child (I’m assuming) came to tap me on the shoulder. She asked if I could sit in the booth on the other side of me, there no please, excuse me or even a smile. I thought about it for a second, this is something I would normally agree to, I have previously swapped bus seats or airplane seats so children can sit together etc and would normally do this without being asked. If they were elderly or had toddlers/ babies or even if they just seemed nice I may have moved as I am a genuinely a nice person(people pleaser). However, after a quick scan of the situation, I politely declined and said I need this booth as there’s a charging socket here. I also didn’t really think they absolutely needed it, there were other seats/ tables free but I guess they wanted a booth. I also might have been persuaded if she was polite but I found her tone quite rude from the beginning and I was proved right because as soon as I declined, she said ‘so your just going to take up a booth because you need to charge your laptop?’ I then just said no again and turned away to which I was then called an ‘arrogant bitch.’ They clearly wanted an argument so I tried to ignore. They sat down at the booth in question and just pulled another seat over so it’s not as if they had nowhere to sit. They also sat there for no longer than 10 minutes and when they left, the woman turned to me and said ‘ hope you have a really shit rest of the day,’ again in a very aggressive tone.

I just think wow, it’s a public, chain cafe where seats are first come, first serve.. why on earth would you even bother someone clearly busy and comfortable when you only wanted to sit there for 10 minutes.

Also I’m not the only one here who is taking up extra space, there’s a couple opposite me sitting at a table for 6. I don’t know why they targeted me, probably because I’m a lone woman and look quite young for my age (been told this and still get ID’d in my 30’s.

it’s really annoyed me and I felt a bit shaky as I hate confrontation.

sorry excessively long post but think it needed context!

OP posts:
TulipCat · 07/07/2024 14:06

I wish people would stop using coffee shops as an office and that more would ban laptops.

But that said, it still doesn't give people carte blanche to be abusive, annoying as people like you are. That's never OK in a situation like this.

Iwasafool · 07/07/2024 14:05

VotesForWomen · 07/07/2024 14:03

I have assumed the other person is in the UK. Benches in cities tend to have the anti-homelessness armrests so it would be pretty hard to block an entire bench of 4 or more seats, but most of the wooden park benches that I can think of seat two people comfortably (yes with room for a handbag too) but certainly not much more than that. Either way, it is unusual in my experience for people in the UK to share a bench with strangers, unless there is a ton of room for both parties plus a bit of space between both for some nominal sense of privacy.

I'm in the UK, we always make room to share a bench if someone is obviously looking to sit down. Sometimes they don't want to share and move off but we always make it clear we would share, we don't own the bench or even rent it.

VotesForWomen · 07/07/2024 14:05

Funkyslippers · 07/07/2024 14:01

There is no harm in polite asking if someone can move their bag

Exactly! Which isn't what the two adults and three children in the park did.

Soontobe60 · 07/07/2024 14:04

bagginsatbagend · 07/07/2024 13:41

Why should your preference take precedent over other people’s preference? You have the choice to go elsewhere if you don’t like the clientele, you do not have the right to dictate how a business is run because of your personal preference

Would you feel the same way if someone came into a coffee shop and started filming for their only fans page?

Iwasafool · 07/07/2024 14:04

Funkyslippers · 07/07/2024 14:01

There is no harm in polite asking if someone can move their bag

No and I'd do it, he hates drawing attention to his condition but to be fair if a couple in their 70s are obviously looking for a seat, one is on two sticks and there's room on your bench wouldn't you think of moving your bag?

VotesForWomen · 07/07/2024 14:03

TheAlchemistElixa · 07/07/2024 13:58

No, but there’s room for much more than two. I dunno, I just find it odd. Where I come from in my culture we always share the benches and public spaces, even with strangers. It’s just the “done” thing to shuffle down and let someone else enjoy a break too. Benches are for bums, not bags. Nice to share.

but I can see I’m alone.

I have assumed the other person is in the UK. Benches in cities tend to have the anti-homelessness armrests so it would be pretty hard to block an entire bench of 4 or more seats, but most of the wooden park benches that I can think of seat two people comfortably (yes with room for a handbag too) but certainly not much more than that. Either way, it is unusual in my experience for people in the UK to share a bench with strangers, unless there is a ton of room for both parties plus a bit of space between both for some nominal sense of privacy.

PrestonHood121 · 07/07/2024 14:03

No reason for you to move at all. She sounds unhinged

PostmanPatAlwaysRingsTwice · 07/07/2024 14:02

Iwasafool · 07/07/2024 14:01

So what? If the two women could sit down they could have children on their laps and maybe one of them really needs to sit down and the other 4 don't. Unless it's your own bench don't hog it.

If none of them could sit down without the poster moving her bag, it was not a big bench. You can’t cram in next to strangers on a park bench.

Iwasafool · 07/07/2024 14:02

Soontobe60 · 07/07/2024 14:01

As a regular customer to coffee shops, I find it incredibly annoying when someone is solo working at a table for 4, hogging the whole space, on Zoom calls, nursing an empty cup for a long time and I can’t find anywhere to sit down. Just because I don't complain doesn’t mean I like it.

Have you ever just sat down to share their table? I just wondered how people take that, particularly if you ask for some space on the table (or is it a desk?)

Workhardcryharder · 07/07/2024 14:02

Killingoffmyflowersonebyone · 07/07/2024 12:41

YABU to be working in a coffee shop.

why on earth would you even bother someone clearly busy and comfortable when you only wanted to sit there for 10 minutes.
But even if two groups of 2-3 people sat in the seat YOU hogged for however long you were there (assuming you were there for a few hours) and spent £10 each, the would be better customers for the business than you sitting there for several hours only having one coffee and a panini.

She was right about the arrogance part tbh - although she shouldn't have called you a bitch.

Sorry do you own a coffee shop?

a very close friend of mine does and without the wfh crowd it would be empty in between breakfast and lunch,

it is not up to you who gets to occupy tables in a coffee shop

Funkyslippers · 07/07/2024 14:01

Iwasafool · 07/07/2024 14:00

My husband has a back injury, lives on morphine but never leaves him painfree. He's a strapping big bloke. We often end up standing because someone's bag needs a seat. He won't make a fuss but it drives me mad. Happened last week when we were waiting for a train, people so selfish. It wouldn't matter if they could only free up one seat as he is the one who needs it, I can happily stand so saying there wouldn't be room for both of us is irrelevant.

There is no harm in polite asking if someone can move their bag

Geiyotue · 07/07/2024 14:01

TheAlchemistElixa · 07/07/2024 13:58

No, but there’s room for much more than two. I dunno, I just find it odd. Where I come from in my culture we always share the benches and public spaces, even with strangers. It’s just the “done” thing to shuffle down and let someone else enjoy a break too. Benches are for bums, not bags. Nice to share.

but I can see I’m alone.

How big a bench are you imagining? In my local park they are only big enough for three people, like any garden bench.

Iwasafool · 07/07/2024 14:01

PostmanPatAlwaysRingsTwice · 07/07/2024 13:58

And it’s unlikely the bench could have sat 7 people

So what? If the two women could sit down they could have children on their laps and maybe one of them really needs to sit down and the other 4 don't. Unless it's your own bench don't hog it.

Soontobe60 · 07/07/2024 14:01

MonsteraMama · 07/07/2024 13:08

Have worked in a coffee shop, to all the people deeply concerned about how awful it is for business (yes, the poor giant coffee chain, however will they cope) I promise no one cares. There's loads of people who sit for a few hours, have a few coffees and a sarnie, it's fine. People come in and do work meetings, job interviews, all sorts. All fine. The OP taking up a booth is fine, it was the only seat available when she arrived, no one expects people to play musical chairs to ensure maximum capacity can be fulfilled at all times. It's fine.

It's first come first served, end of, and if the woman had asked politely OP probably would've moved anyway, but she woke up and chose to be a cunt so she reaped the benefits of that behaviour.

What's not fine is being a rude bitch and verbally abusing someone when you don't get your own way.

As a regular customer to coffee shops, I find it incredibly annoying when someone is solo working at a table for 4, hogging the whole space, on Zoom calls, nursing an empty cup for a long time and I can’t find anywhere to sit down. Just because I don't complain doesn’t mean I like it.

PostmanPatAlwaysRingsTwice · 07/07/2024 14:00

TheAlchemistElixa · 07/07/2024 13:58

No, but there’s room for much more than two. I dunno, I just find it odd. Where I come from in my culture we always share the benches and public spaces, even with strangers. It’s just the “done” thing to shuffle down and let someone else enjoy a break too. Benches are for bums, not bags. Nice to share.

but I can see I’m alone.

But they didn’t say ‘can my child sit there please’, they said ‘we need to sit down’ which sounds like they were expecting the poster to move away so they could all sit.

Iwasafool · 07/07/2024 14:00

Soontobe60 · 07/07/2024 13:56

Maybe their children also had ASD???

My husband has a back injury, lives on morphine but never leaves him painfree. He's a strapping big bloke. We often end up standing because someone's bag needs a seat. He won't make a fuss but it drives me mad. Happened last week when we were waiting for a train, people so selfish. It wouldn't matter if they could only free up one seat as he is the one who needs it, I can happily stand so saying there wouldn't be room for both of us is irrelevant.

PostmanPatAlwaysRingsTwice · 07/07/2024 13:58

VotesForWomen · 07/07/2024 13:57

Most people with half an ounce of sense would be able to tell by looking at somebody that they were Not Doing Okay and could use a bit of space.

And their needs trump that of the other people because they were occupying the bench first. I'm sure there were other places the newcommers could have found to have a sit down.

And it’s unlikely the bench could have sat 7 people

TheAlchemistElixa · 07/07/2024 13:58

Funkyslippers · 07/07/2024 13:54

This, and also it doesn't matter if she did put her bag on the bench or not. There wasn't room for the 5 people either way

No, but there’s room for much more than two. I dunno, I just find it odd. Where I come from in my culture we always share the benches and public spaces, even with strangers. It’s just the “done” thing to shuffle down and let someone else enjoy a break too. Benches are for bums, not bags. Nice to share.

but I can see I’m alone.

VotesForWomen · 07/07/2024 13:57

TheAlchemistElixa · 07/07/2024 13:53

Two people don’t need an entire bench - she could have shuffled down and moved her bag off to share. How can you tell if someone has ASD and needs a break? And why does that person trump the other children/adults that also need a sit down and a break?

why would someone else sitting on the spare seat on the bench be a problem?

Most people with half an ounce of sense would be able to tell by looking at somebody that they were Not Doing Okay and could use a bit of space.

And their needs trump that of the other people because they were occupying the bench first. I'm sure there were other places the newcommers could have found to have a sit down.

1983Louise · 07/07/2024 13:56

Perhaps try your local library next time, taking up a both was a bit selfish but that woman was incredibly rude to you.

Soontobe60 · 07/07/2024 13:56

ItsalwaysNovember · 07/07/2024 12:25

I was at the park with my dd last week she has ASD and needed to sit as was overwhelmed. There was one free bench so we sat there in the middle and my bag on one side of me. 2 women came over they had 3 children with them and stood about 30 cm in front of me and just stared ??!! So I ignored them till one said ‘we need to sit down’ I just stared at her and thought wtf you can see we are here and it’s obvious dd was having some difficulties. She tutted and they walked off !

Maybe their children also had ASD???

Funkyslippers · 07/07/2024 13:55

TheAlchemistElixa · 07/07/2024 13:53

Two people don’t need an entire bench - she could have shuffled down and moved her bag off to share. How can you tell if someone has ASD and needs a break? And why does that person trump the other children/adults that also need a sit down and a break?

why would someone else sitting on the spare seat on the bench be a problem?

It trumps them because they got to the bench first!

CookStrait · 07/07/2024 13:55

She, called you, an arrogant bitch 😆 You did right not to move.

Funkyslippers · 07/07/2024 13:54

VotesForWomen · 07/07/2024 13:50

Probably because there were two of them, one of whom was somebody with ASD who was feeling overwhelmed and needed a bit of a break. Most people with some vague sense of empathy would have spotted that and left them to it.

This, and also it doesn't matter if she did put her bag on the bench or not. There wasn't room for the 5 people either way

Thisisthecorrectresponse · 07/07/2024 13:53

ESH. Unless you were in the middle of eating your lunch, of course.
You say it was the only seat at the time so use it and leave. If you're planning an extended stay, you need to have moved to some space more appropriate. How much did you buy? Would a library not have been more suitable? An independent cafe could be relying on the income a table of 3 generates - not a 'one coffee every 3 hours' pseudo office worker. The other woman, though, needs to learn grace and manners!