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Would you move tables at a Cafe?

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Southlondoner88 · 07/07/2024 12:10

So I’m inclined to say before I begin that maybe I was being a bit unreasonable but with good reason.

I am studying for really intense exams this week, had to get myself out of the house before I go insane so I came to a local Cafe Nero to do some work and have lunch. I chose a booth for 4 people partly because it was the only seat available when I first came in that looked comfortable and in the quiet area down the back. I would never sit at large booth on my own if this was a restaurant or a pub but it’s a chain, a lot of people do this and I see it all the time.

I was in deep intense study, earphones on, feeling great about myself and my productivity when a woman with her husband and adult child (I’m assuming) came to tap me on the shoulder. She asked if I could sit in the booth on the other side of me, there no please, excuse me or even a smile. I thought about it for a second, this is something I would normally agree to, I have previously swapped bus seats or airplane seats so children can sit together etc and would normally do this without being asked. If they were elderly or had toddlers/ babies or even if they just seemed nice I may have moved as I am a genuinely a nice person(people pleaser). However, after a quick scan of the situation, I politely declined and said I need this booth as there’s a charging socket here. I also didn’t really think they absolutely needed it, there were other seats/ tables free but I guess they wanted a booth. I also might have been persuaded if she was polite but I found her tone quite rude from the beginning and I was proved right because as soon as I declined, she said ‘so your just going to take up a booth because you need to charge your laptop?’ I then just said no again and turned away to which I was then called an ‘arrogant bitch.’ They clearly wanted an argument so I tried to ignore. They sat down at the booth in question and just pulled another seat over so it’s not as if they had nowhere to sit. They also sat there for no longer than 10 minutes and when they left, the woman turned to me and said ‘ hope you have a really shit rest of the day,’ again in a very aggressive tone.

I just think wow, it’s a public, chain cafe where seats are first come, first serve.. why on earth would you even bother someone clearly busy and comfortable when you only wanted to sit there for 10 minutes.

Also I’m not the only one here who is taking up extra space, there’s a couple opposite me sitting at a table for 6. I don’t know why they targeted me, probably because I’m a lone woman and look quite young for my age (been told this and still get ID’d in my 30’s.

it’s really annoyed me and I felt a bit shaky as I hate confrontation.

sorry excessively long post but think it needed context!

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Areolaborealis · 07/07/2024 14:20

HungryLittleCrocodile · 07/07/2024 14:19

LOL, you really think 'moving your bag' would have made people leave? I would have just shoved your bag out of the way if you did this to me.

No, moved my bag so they could sit down next to me if they so insist.

shuggles · 07/07/2024 14:20

Woman was an asshole, but isn't there a library close to you OP?

Outliers · 07/07/2024 14:19

Don't let a small interaction have a greater impact on your day

flyingcats · 07/07/2024 14:19

bagginsatbagend · 07/07/2024 13:41

Why should your preference take precedent over other people’s preference? You have the choice to go elsewhere if you don’t like the clientele, you do not have the right to dictate how a business is run because of your personal preference

You are right, I will go elsewhere. I don’t want the atmosphere of an office, and if the owners want that it’s up to them.

HungryLittleCrocodile · 07/07/2024 14:19

Areolaborealis · 07/07/2024 14:16

OP, you were entitled to occupy one seat within the booth so you didn't have to move. if it was me, and this crazy family insisted on sitting right next to me when other seats were available, I would have just moved my bag and hoped they didn't stay long. I wouldn't have changed seats though - first some, first served - unless in exceptional circumstances such as to accommodate someone with a disability or service dog.

LOL, you really think 'moving your bag' would have made people leave? I would have just shoved your bag out of the way if you did this to me.

HungryLittleCrocodile · 07/07/2024 14:17

MasterBeth · 07/07/2024 12:50

She is not unreasonable to be working in a coffee shop. It is a perfectly reasonable use of a coffee shop.

She is not being 'unreasonable' when she's taking up the space of FOUR people for several hours!

Areolaborealis · 07/07/2024 14:16

OP, you were entitled to occupy one seat within the booth so you didn't have to move. if it was me, and this crazy family insisted on sitting right next to me when other seats were available, I would have just moved my bag and hoped they didn't stay long. I wouldn't have changed seats though - first some, first served - unless in exceptional circumstances such as to accommodate someone with a disability or service dog.

Southlondoner88 · 07/07/2024 14:16

JenniferAllisonPhillipaSue · 07/07/2024 14:15

As a family we might only look like 3 people. What you cannot see is that our son is severely autistic and can be disruptive, so we find it easier to "trap" him in a booth between a parent and the wall/end. We'd have asked you to move. But we'd have been polite and explained that we need the booth for our son's safety.

I would have moved for you most likely.

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Southlondoner88 · 07/07/2024 14:15

@BettyBardMacDonald I couldn’t have said it better myself, I probably chose it for all these reasons subconsciously and why wouldn’t I? I was a paying customer and I got there first. Anyway, I must leave this thread now, I wish I had time to stay on here all day and vent, would much rather that than study.

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JenniferAllisonPhillipaSue · 07/07/2024 14:15

As a family we might only look like 3 people. What you cannot see is that our son is severely autistic and can be disruptive, so we find it easier to "trap" him in a booth between a parent and the wall/end. We'd have asked you to move. But we'd have been polite and explained that we need the booth for our son's safety.

AhBiscuits · 07/07/2024 14:15

It's a public coffee shop and not your private office. If you need to focus you were in the wrong place. The tables are for consuming your food and drink and then you leave.

Drfosters · 07/07/2024 14:15

MultiplaLight · 07/07/2024 12:56

Using 1 seat and buying stuff, borderline OK.

Taking up 4 seats is not OK.

But it was the only table free when she came in. Are you saying that she should not have sat anywhere because she was on her own? Was she supposed to move mid drink if a 2 person table came up? But then she would be taking up a table 2 people should sit at?

MartyFunkhouser · 07/07/2024 14:13

You were selfish but the other woman sounds like a loon. Who gets that nasty over something so trivial?

VotesForWomen · 07/07/2024 14:13

TheAlchemistElixa · 07/07/2024 14:06

Oh. The UK sounds quite a cold and unfriendly place. Rich people building in preventatives for people who have to sleep rough, to have to sleep on the dirt instead of a bench. Needing to be distant and separate and “private” from their other countrymen even in places designed for them all to mix and share.

We certainly aren't as gregarious with strangers as other countries, that's correct. I wouldn't say we are a cold and unfriendly bunch, but I can see why a visitor from e.g. Spain or Greece could get that impression.

I can't even get started on what I think of anti-homelessness benches (google "hostile architecture" if you really want to be horrified) and the councils who would rather spend money on those things than addressing homelessness :(

Allthehorsesintheworld · 07/07/2024 14:12

I’m really glad you didn’t give up your seat to such a vile person.

vincettenoir · 07/07/2024 14:11

She was completely unreasonable calling you a bitch, who does that??

Sounds like she might have been having a bad day but really, really awful behaviour. Sorry it shook you up. I think it would most people. No-one expects that kind of thing from a trip to a cafe.

Grammarnut · 07/07/2024 14:11

Totally agree with you. I would never ask if I could share a booth with one person in it (even though I might privately fume about them taking up four seats!). What rude people.

HcbSS · 07/07/2024 14:11

What a disgusting way to speak to somebody. Who does she think she is?

I would have been tempted to pretend to video her. Or call a manager. I swear people were not as rude and abusive 10 years ago.

MessyHouseHappyHouse · 07/07/2024 14:10

Forget her. Shitty types like her don’t deserve any headspace. If it wasn’t full and there were spare seats available, then you weren’t being remotely unreasonable. It’s a chain coffee shop so first come, first served.

She was being a bully trying to get you to move when you were clearly settled and downright nasty when she left, so I wouldn’t have blamed you if you’d replied ‘fuck you and all who sail in you” to her when she left.

If someone tries to hassle me when I’m minding my own business, I tend to say slightly odd things to them. It stops them in their tracks usually as they’re not expecting that. I can often have a bit of fun winding them up with my nonsense drivel. 😂

Good luck with your exams! 🤞

BettyBardMacDonald · 07/07/2024 14:09

YellowAsteroid · 07/07/2024 13:53

Also I’m not the only one here who is taking up extra space, there’s a couple opposite me sitting at a table for 6. I don’t know why they targeted me, probably because I’m a lone woman and look quite young for my age (been told this and still get ID’d in my 30’s.

YANBU.

And yes, going by my experience, a woman on her own is much more likely to be asked to move, or share, or otherwise inconvenience herself. And be treated badly if she dares to refuse.

Couples tend to get a free pass for taking up proportionately more room.

Somehow, very few people expect that men will move ....

Exactly.

And people are overlooking the fact that the booths/tables have features besides how many arses they might (not must) accommodate.

Location, lighting, acoustics, tabletop size, availability of socket or WiFi all are characteristics that suit different needs. It isn't necessary to fill the max number of seats to be legitimately using a particular table.

If it were a mother with a baby in a sling instead of a laptop, using the socket to charge her phone, I bet no one would complain. Or a couple looking at a map or paperwork.

But as usual, a solo woman is expected to inconvenience herself for the convenience of others.

It's tiresome beyond words.

Iwasafool · 07/07/2024 14:09

PostmanPatAlwaysRingsTwice · 07/07/2024 14:02

If none of them could sit down without the poster moving her bag, it was not a big bench. You can’t cram in next to strangers on a park bench.

Yes you can. The poster said they were in the middle of the bench with her bag on one side so there must have been space on the other side, so move her bag and move up and the two adults or a child who is feeling unwell/overwhelmed can sit down.

Southlondoner88 · 07/07/2024 14:09

@pasturesgreen @ImCamembertTheBigCheese this is exactly why I had an inkling to not comply I think. There was an air of entitlement in her tone as if I should have jumped up as soon as she graced my shoulder with her fingertips, definitely a bully and isn’t used to the word no. I am going to agree that maybe I should have tried harder to get a two seater myself but at the same time I think it’s rude to interrupt someone who has got there first and was clearly busy espeially since it’s just a chain and they only wanted it for a few minutes

also the people commenting about how I shouldn’t be working there, I don’t see how this is relevant to the interaction here, I’d imagine they weren’t bothered about me studying and would have still bothered me whether I was there with a laptop or not.

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VotesForWomen · 07/07/2024 14:08

Soontobe60 · 07/07/2024 14:04

Would you feel the same way if someone came into a coffee shop and started filming for their only fans page?

Can't you see a difference between somebody working quietly on their laptop and somebody in a public space in lingerie or less?

(Although people going to public spaces to take loud phone or zoom calls are the worst! I find one side of a conversation MUCH harder to filter out of my awareness than two or more people chatting.)

TheAlchemistElixa · 07/07/2024 14:06

VotesForWomen · 07/07/2024 14:03

I have assumed the other person is in the UK. Benches in cities tend to have the anti-homelessness armrests so it would be pretty hard to block an entire bench of 4 or more seats, but most of the wooden park benches that I can think of seat two people comfortably (yes with room for a handbag too) but certainly not much more than that. Either way, it is unusual in my experience for people in the UK to share a bench with strangers, unless there is a ton of room for both parties plus a bit of space between both for some nominal sense of privacy.

Oh. The UK sounds quite a cold and unfriendly place. Rich people building in preventatives for people who have to sleep rough, to have to sleep on the dirt instead of a bench. Needing to be distant and separate and “private” from their other countrymen even in places designed for them all to mix and share.

Mamma363648 · 07/07/2024 14:06

Only read the first page. I can't believe the responses. There were other seats, so you had every right to keeping your booth.

And those that say the business is losing money from the empty seats, it's Cafe Nero, not an independent, they can absorb it. And no one cares if you want to work/study for hours. These cafes are very happy to take the money off people who work in the cafe or else they wouldn't provide WiFi or charging points. I say this as someone who used to work for a big chain coffee shop.