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Vinividivici · 07/07/2024 10:24

I don't want to make my 7 year old daughter spend time with her father, who repeatedly strangled her and who (along with his wife) constantly put me down to her. She hates him and every time she sees him, she is very upset afterwards. I don't know what exactly they are doing to make her unhappy other than the obvious.

However, I don't really have any choice due to the incredibly messed up court system. In fact, I am at risk of losing her if we go to court because her dad claims she doesn't want to see him because I have alienated her from him. Apparently courts believe these things.

I already act like it's good for her to be with her dad and I don't say anything negative about him.

What else can I do?

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sentfrmmyiphone · 07/07/2024 12:13

Vinividivici · 07/07/2024 12:10

Here are some reading materials who believe that I'm just full of shit. These are not in the UK, but the problems are common across these common law based legal systems.

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2020/mar/15/children-and-family-law-how-can-you-share-parenting-with-an-abusive-parent

https://www.typeinvestigations.org/investigation/2023/05/18/parental-alienation-syndrome-father-alleged-child-abuse-win-custody-case/

i would concentrate on the UK legal system if thats where you live. no amount of reading or quoting or anything will persuade me to let my child spend even a second with their dad if this is what they are alledged to be doing to them.

simply refuse. until he has a court order instructing you that if you do not hand over the child, and until the police knock on your door to enforce this.. keep the child away SIMPLE

Vinividivici · 07/07/2024 12:10

Here are some reading materials who believe that I'm just full of shit. These are not in the UK, but the problems are common across these common law based legal systems.

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2020/mar/15/children-and-family-law-how-can-you-share-parenting-with-an-abusive-parent

https://www.typeinvestigations.org/investigation/2023/05/18/parental-alienation-syndrome-father-alleged-child-abuse-win-custody-case/

Children and family law: 'How can you share parenting with an abusive parent?' | Jess Hill

The family law system is supposed to put children’s safety first, but in many ways they become further endangered when they enter it

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2020/mar/15/children-and-family-law-how-can-you-share-parenting-with-an-abusive-parent

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Vinividivici · 07/07/2024 12:08

@sentfrmmyiphone there is not more to it than I am letting on.

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sentfrmmyiphone · 07/07/2024 12:06

Vinividivici · 07/07/2024 12:04

@sentfrmmyiphone and in all of these incidents that you have seen play out, how do you know the allegations are false?

Read up on this - abusers are more likely to be believed when there are no marks and they make false allegations of alienation.

i am fully aware of abusers and what they are capable of thank you. i dont need to read up, i've lived through it thank you!

and just for information, BOTH my parents were the abusers.. the one who had me and the one who got me.

sentfrmmyiphone · 07/07/2024 12:05

Vinividivici · 07/07/2024 12:01

"i have seen this play out so many times, one parent accuses the other parent of doing x, y and z too the child in an attempt to keep custody and control and use the child as a weapon against the other party."

Really? You have seen this play out and now you KNOW that I am lying? What did I do? Coach my 7 year old to say she doesn't want to be with her dad and to make totally unprovable claims about him? You think I wanted to be in this nightmare?

in what world does a parent send a child who has been strangled by their dad on a regular basis as you say, still allow the child to be with the dad?

i don't care who or what court instructed me to do this.. there is no way in hell and over my dead body would i send my child into this situation!

i would not be sending them under any circumstances. not once i have i said you are lying, i have said there is more to this than you are letting on.

CeruleanDive · 07/07/2024 12:04

I already act like it's good for her to be with her dad

Well there's a complete head fuck for your child right there.

You've posted before and seem unable to prioritise her safety right now over what might, according to your solicitor, happen in the future.

It's awful to read that she is still not being protected.

Vinividivici · 07/07/2024 12:04

@sentfrmmyiphone and in all of these incidents that you have seen play out, how do you know the allegations are false?

Read up on this - abusers are more likely to be believed when there are no marks and they make false allegations of alienation.

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Vinividivici · 07/07/2024 12:02

@cupcaske123 I think he does it lightly enough to scare and control my daughter. In his mind he will be justified because she isn't listening to him / she is defying him.

He only does it when the wife isn't around. She's crazy but would not condone obvious physical abuse, I don't think.

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cupcaske123 · 07/07/2024 12:01

OP you can't send your child to someone who regularly strangles her. He could very easily kill her. I'm very surprised that someone who is regularly being strangled, has no bruising or marks.

His partner sounds like a psychopath if she's watching a 7 year old being strangled and doesn't intervene. At the very least set up supervised access. Ask your MIL to be there when your ex has access.

I would do as advised above and find another solicitor. Get advice from a DV organisation, contact Rights of Women and go to court. You must protect your daughter's life.

Vinividivici · 07/07/2024 12:01

"i have seen this play out so many times, one parent accuses the other parent of doing x, y and z too the child in an attempt to keep custody and control and use the child as a weapon against the other party."

Really? You have seen this play out and now you KNOW that I am lying? What did I do? Coach my 7 year old to say she doesn't want to be with her dad and to make totally unprovable claims about him? You think I wanted to be in this nightmare?

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sentfrmmyiphone · 07/07/2024 11:58

JuliesName · 07/07/2024 11:52

You clearly have never been through the systems OP has. Please stop trying to insinuate she's lying, it's offensive to OP and every other abuse victim who gets ignored in the patriarchal systems.

and who says i have never been through the system? its offensive to assume such things.

there is very clearly a lot more to this than first meets the eye, and if you cannot see that, then i suggest you get yourself off for some glasses.

the OP was in an abusive relationship, never reported and left .. well done them! there is a child, and the OP does not want the child to spend time with their dad and his new partner.

i have seen this play out so many times, one parent accuses the other parent of doing x, y and z too the child in an attempt to keep custody and control and use the child as a weapon against the other party.

having been a victim of horrific child abuse myself, its unilkely that the child will want to spend time with her father given that he's tried to strangle her! her age has nothing to do with this.

so perhaps, next time you try to shoot down someone who simply needs more information before giving advise.. mind your own business

Vinividivici · 07/07/2024 11:54

Testina · 07/07/2024 11:51

*I already act like it's good for her to be with her dad and I don't say anything negative about him.

What else can I do?*

I would completely change that approach.
She is in danger. I understand why it’s not as easy as just saying, “don’t send her!”
Despite her being 7, I would tell her strangling her is wrong and very dangerous and when/if he does it, she should tell his wife, and you. You don’t have to be constantly rude about him - but you can be honest. Better to be neutral any day nothing about it being “good” to be with him. It’s confusing to have you, who knows she’s been dangerously physically assaulted, telling her it’s good that she goes there. Better to say you don’t want her to see daddy unsupervised and you’re asking the court for that, but they don’t agree. Otherwise, to a 7yo, you’re actually telling her that the strangling isn’t that big a deal - make nice and go to daddy.

Yeah, it's messed up. But I absolutely can't be seen as an alienator or I risk losing her altogether

Edit: just to add that I never have condoned the abuse. I have just explained that it's important for children to see their fathers

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Vinividivici · 07/07/2024 11:53

sentfrmmyiphone · 07/07/2024 11:49

so social services and the police have been involved and they are taking no further action? i find this highly unlikely if the allegations are true?

who made the allegations? whats the story? because until we know this we can't comment can we

My daughter made the allegations. (She now also constantly brings them up to my husband and me when talking about being afraid of her dad etc.) She is a truthful child.

I told authorities.

The school totally believes that my ex was abusive and shared concerns with Social Services. They actually weren't happy with the social worker, but it's luck of the draw I guess.

My ex told everyone I am a parental alienator.

Social Services wrote a report that describes my daughter consistently describing the abuse but which doesn't recommend any protective measures against the father - just defers to the police. I have described what the police did above.

Your reaction is exactly why I am worried.

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JuliesName · 07/07/2024 11:52

sentfrmmyiphone · 07/07/2024 11:49

so social services and the police have been involved and they are taking no further action? i find this highly unlikely if the allegations are true?

who made the allegations? whats the story? because until we know this we can't comment can we

You clearly have never been through the systems OP has. Please stop trying to insinuate she's lying, it's offensive to OP and every other abuse victim who gets ignored in the patriarchal systems.

JuliesName · 07/07/2024 11:51

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This is ridiculous and not helpful at all to a distressed OP in a difficult situation. No one cares about this BS nitpicking.

Testina · 07/07/2024 11:51

*I already act like it's good for her to be with her dad and I don't say anything negative about him.

What else can I do?*

I would completely change that approach.
She is in danger. I understand why it’s not as easy as just saying, “don’t send her!”
Despite her being 7, I would tell her strangling her is wrong and very dangerous and when/if he does it, she should tell his wife, and you. You don’t have to be constantly rude about him - but you can be honest. Better to be neutral any day nothing about it being “good” to be with him. It’s confusing to have you, who knows she’s been dangerously physically assaulted, telling her it’s good that she goes there. Better to say you don’t want her to see daddy unsupervised and you’re asking the court for that, but they don’t agree. Otherwise, to a 7yo, you’re actually telling her that the strangling isn’t that big a deal - make nice and go to daddy.

sentfrmmyiphone · 07/07/2024 11:49

so social services and the police have been involved and they are taking no further action? i find this highly unlikely if the allegations are true?

who made the allegations? whats the story? because until we know this we can't comment can we

Vinividivici · 07/07/2024 11:46

Maybe I should find another solicitor that specialises in child abuse, as suggested above. My current solicitors are very good (I think) but I'm not sure they really get it.

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TheFormidableMrsC · 07/07/2024 11:45

You seem to be saying that all your research shows you that it's a foregone conclusion that you'd "lose" in court. That's simply not true. I know plenty of people who have been through family court and none have had residency switched. Indeed the other parent has often been forced to do courses and comply and engage with domestic abuse programmes. You are assuming none of this will happen.

Vinividivici · 07/07/2024 11:42

@sevsal what is the point of your continued nit picking here?

The police told me the problem was that my daughter didn't want to take it forward. She told them it happened but she didn't want to give a statement. In law, it's the same thing - no formal statement means no actionable evidence.

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TheFormidableMrsC · 07/07/2024 11:42

OP, mediation is not advised in situations like this. He's abusive. My ex husband did some utterly stupid things and put our son in danger. He ended up with supervised contact only for a long period and was never allowed overnight contact. He disappeared in the end and we've not seen him since. My experience of the family court and Cafcass was positive.

I'd speak to the Coram children's legal centre, Women's Aid and Rights of Women. Social services may be able to help too. There is nothing to suggest you would end up with switched residency. That is not done on a whim. I also don't agree with your solicitor's advice on that. Change solicitors. Have a look at the Resolution website where there are lots is solicitors who specialise in abuse cases. That's what you want.

sevsal · 07/07/2024 11:40

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Vinividivici · 07/07/2024 11:40

@Holliegee my ex and his wife aren't kind and empathetic enough ever to admit that the situation isn't working. They will bring the full force of the law against me if I withhold contact.

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Vinividivici · 07/07/2024 11:39

@cupcaske123 he only saw her for short times for a long period (his choice). For the last year, there has been pretty clear evidence (to my mind) of controlling behaviour and emotional abuse. However, no one in the court system really cares about emotional abuse.

My daughter says he has been strangling her repeatedly for some time, but she never told me about this before

I was surprised that he turned physical, but he's been under significant stress lately and he probably found that (unlike me) my daughter doesn't comply as easily with just emotional abuse.

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Holliegee · 07/07/2024 11:34

My youngest son hated spending time with his Father (he too was abusive) it got so I’d drop him off and literally wait outside because, 20 mins later he’d be ringing me to go and get him.
Then he developed chronic fatigue syndrome ( diagnosed) and became really poorly and I absolutely know it was the stress from this that caused it - so every weekend would be the same his Dad shouting at me because he wouldn’t go as he was too poorly.
Then I saw reality and simply said to his Dad every friday, he doesn’t want to come, it caused a lot of trouble for me but it took the stress of my son.

Eventually my ex got the message and disowned DS by text - his health is a little better but stress excaberates his illness even now.

Please OP don’t send your daughter.