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Mil thinks DH should pay towards his grandmothers funeral

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UsernameTalk · 07/07/2024 08:53

My mil has over half a million in savings (i know because she recently sold 2 of her houses), and lives in a 5 bedroom house. We have two young children and live in a small 3 bedroom house and trying to save every penny for a bigger house. I have not been able to work for the previous 6 years because my son has autism and is quite high needs.

Mil thinks he and his 2 siblings should pay towards her mothers (their grandmothers) burial. Mil mother (DH grandmother) had no savings or money when she died to cover it.
AIBU to think that is ridiculous?

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croydon15 · 08/07/2024 20:22

Normally paying the debt will come out of the estate and so will the funeral is there is no money.
Sorry OP but it will be deducted from the sale of the house then the rest will be divided as per the will, your MIL could pay herself but if she doesn't want to there is nothing anyone can do.

hipposcanweartutus · 08/07/2024 20:15

Sorry you are in this situation and very sorry that his GM has passed away too. Death and funerals are hard at the best of times without unnecessary conflict between family members. Your MIL is the only child of his GM and I assume is also the sole beneficiary to her estate. She needs to do what is right by her own mum and suck the cost up! An average funeral is between £5k and £8k so isn’t a lot of money to your MIL. Maybe it is the grief talking and she isn’t thinking straight? Really hope you guys get this sorted and give his GM a good send off!

Tahlbias · 08/07/2024 20:04

I read the your other thread and this one. I don't understand how anyone can be that batshit crazy! Honestly, the greed of that woman. If I was your husband, I would go no contact.

Atsocta · 08/07/2024 20:01

Linearforeignbody · 07/07/2024 08:57

Funeral costs come out of the estate.

Exactly

masterblaster · 08/07/2024 19:27

UsernameTalk · 07/07/2024 09:09

If DH has a small share in what is the estate It is not his grandmothers estate, she has no money or estate, and infact had debt to pay - to electric company and pay back over paid pension etc.

The estate that is being sold is his grandfathers house that he left to mil, dh and his siblings. And mil is already demanding dh and his siblings pay a share of their grandmothers debt now their grandfathers house is being sold (again that their grandmother did not own).

Grandfather left house to MIL.
It should have gone to his wife, but went to MIL, presumably for tax reasons.
She SHOULD have received the house, and would have been able to contest the will, but this was not done IN ORDER TO PASS THE VALUE TO MIL.

Now, if he in turn expects to inherit some value from the estate of the MIL he should be nice and pay his share. If he doesn't, it's up to him.

BeanCountingContinues · 08/07/2024 19:10

Sorry not read the full thread, but have you or DH checked the deeds at the land registry? Is it actually in DH and his siblings' names (as well as MIL). If not, it will be virtually impossible to get MIL to hand over their share when it is sold.

Nightjar33 · 08/07/2024 18:50

Ridiculous to think your DH should help especially as she is comfortably well off it’s down to her

mugglewump · 08/07/2024 18:33

Missgucci · 07/07/2024 09:00

Did you read the op. There's no money.

If there is no money, why the expensive burial instead of a much cheaper cremation? Apologies if this is for faith reasons, but the grandmother should have thought about the cost of her preference and planned for it.

OhcantthInkofaname · 08/07/2024 18:29

Mother in law is getting money from the sale of the house. Its on her or no funeral.

Beautiful3 · 08/07/2024 18:23

The next of kin pays.

DreamingofManderley · 08/07/2024 18:16

I’m not sure if this has already been mentioned as i haven’t read through all of the comments. Could mil not pay for the funeral and then take that money back from the house sale before the money from the sale is divided up?

TheSilkLady · 08/07/2024 18:11

they need to be paid from the estate if there is no estate they can't be paid

Floppysock · 08/07/2024 18:05

If there's really no money at all in the estate, the debts won't need to be paid.

Of course Dh shouldn't pay for the funeral.

Jorge14 · 08/07/2024 17:58

No you are quite right. I’d understand more if she was totally broke & asked for any help she could get, but she’s not totally broke & should pay herself.

An2020 · 08/07/2024 17:55

UsernameTalk · 07/07/2024 09:34

Who paid for grandfather’s funeral, or did that come out of the estate? No idea it was decades ago, but probably out of the estate.

How come grandmother was left with nothing when grandfather died? Because they were divorced a long time ago.

They are too different estates, dh's grandfather died decades ago, was divorced from dh's grandmother. Mil, dh and siblings inherited the grandfathers house (with mil having the biggest share) when he died. Mil decided to let dh's grandmother live in it for free. She died recently with a small amount of debt and no money or anything to her name. Now they are selling the grandfathers house decades after inheriting it.
Mil thinks DH's grandmothers debt and funeral costs should be shared between her, dh and his siblings, because they are selling Dh's grandfathers house (that DH's grandmother had no share in, she was pennyless).

Sorry did not explain it well and should have included this in original post at the start.

It sounds like legally she has to pay for it as she's NOK. She cannot make your DH and siblings pay, she can only ask (or in your case bully). What does your DH want to do? If he's in agreement with you then he just has to say no and really mean it!

Julyshouldbesunny · 08/07/2024 17:52

Any reason why dh doesn't just repeat the word no to his dm?

fetchacloth · 08/07/2024 17:49

iamtheblcksheep · 07/07/2024 08:56

No. She pays for her mothers funeral herself the cheeky fucker

This - and I would be using these words too. Cheeky or what.😒

Nothing7 · 08/07/2024 17:46

I could be wrong here but if the GM has no money then the debts unless secured against the house die with her. If it was also notified very quickly and it’s an admin error to the over paid pension that also may not need paying back however where is that money now?
The funeral one is difficult because if they’ve all got some part in the estate maybe they can all give some. But ultimately no one is liable to pay it.
And it could be a very low key affair - as presume there are no funeral plans in place to execute any of gm wishes. If they go down the low key side then anything extra mil wants she needs to cover herself

Rosscameasdoody · 08/07/2024 16:23

UsernameTalk · 08/07/2024 12:50

Surely it’s in everyone’s best interest that has a share in the house to deal with any maintenance issues or decorating if its going up for sale. yes but not the burial costs and overpaid pension or electricity bill, because GM died with no money. Mil (with more than half a million in the bank, no morgage, no dependents) is basically asking DH (with 2 young children and a morgage) to use the inherence he got from his grandfather to pay towards Mil's mothers funeral and debt.

If there is no estate in GMs name the debt should be written off - certainly this applies to over paid pension as DWP cannot hold anyone else responsible for the repayment of overpaid benefits. The electricity bill would depend on whose name was on the account.

CableCar · 08/07/2024 14:57

Not your circus, not your monkeys.

I've always wanted to say that! But on a serious note, it is definitely her responsibility to pay for her mother's funeral - nothing to do with the grandchildren. She is next of kin, she can pay for it.

I'd personally refuse to discuss any finances with her re: the funeral, because it isn't your job to pay for it. She can pay for it in cash, out of her recent house sale.

Then I'd treat the sale of your DH grandfather's property as a separate issue once the funeral is all sorted. Make sure the solicitor dealing with the sale of the house knows to pay the money to you all individually, so your MIL doesn't lie about how much the proceeds owed from the house are... As I'm not sure I'd trust her to fairly reimburse you if the house sale money was just paid to her and given to her to distribute (even if this incurs extra solicitor fees for extra bank transfer admin charge).

Sorry for your DH loss xx

Venice241 · 08/07/2024 14:55

How can you stomach being married to him?

UsernameTalk · 08/07/2024 14:47

I understood it was the GFs decision to allow his exwife to live in the property. Not MILs I think it was mil's idea

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SavingTheBestTillLast · 08/07/2024 13:50

SavingTheBestTillLast · 08/07/2024 13:45

I understood it was the GFs decision to allow his exwife to live in the property. Not MILs

Apologies OP states GF died when her dh was a child and GM has been living in the property since then. So either MILs decision or possibly GF agreed before he died. I’m guessing no one really knows as dh and sibling were young at the time.

SavingTheBestTillLast · 08/07/2024 13:45

SocoBateVira · 08/07/2024 09:39

Ah, I see.

Usually she'd have a point about the decorating and maintenance costs generally. But perhaps someone should try asking her if she'd like the legalities of her decision to let her mother live in the property while the beneficiaries were children to be looked at with a fine toothed comb. Personally I'd call it a draw if I were her!

I understood it was the GFs decision to allow his exwife to live in the property. Not MILs

UsernameTalk · 08/07/2024 13:06

Did he actually get any inheritance or was it all tied up in the house that his Grandmother lived in tied up in the houe the grandmother lived in. Dh got no share of any rent, don't think mil charged her rent unless she did and kept it secret

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