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Mamtorr · 07/07/2024 01:38

I wasn't going to join a union for my job but I saw an ama about a union rep and I happened to read 3 threads where the OP was told to contact their rep.

16 months of membership later and I find myself in an untenable position in my job. I contacted my local unison rep and she has been incredible. My manager is trying to get rid of me for whistleblowing in the nhs and now I'm 'medically suspended' so I'm not using sick pay, I'm just off work on full pay until they find me somewhere else to go.

My union rep is so good and shutting down my horrendous manager, she's also gone above the hr person who is copied into my managers emails to me.

If you're not in a union and you work in the NHS.. JOIN ONE!!!

I've been a nurse for 14 years and lve never felt more supported than now. My union rep asked if I wanted her to come and join me at my house to be with me during the zoom meeting.

I will probably have to be redeployed because of my disclosures but I know my rep will force my trust to find a suitable position.

I was given a formal written warning for ordering 2 x meals a day for the family parents of a child who was on end of life care because 'they're not the patients' we're talking would probably pass that day and the parents hadn't eaten in 3 days. I then got another warning for making the parents of a child just diagnosed with cancer (like literally that day) a cup of tea because I should have told them that there was a parents kitchen and had them make their own tea..

I stood up to my managers and now I'm facing disciplinary action for 'wasting ward resources'

So thank you Mumsnet for giving me the kick up the arse to join a union because if I hadn't and I'd disclosed to hr my concerns alone I wouldn't be in a job right now.

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ScottBakula · 13/07/2024 00:08

I am on my way home from a long shift but its been a decent one ( everyone pulling their weight) it made me remember your thread and what working for arseholes is like.
I really hope your meeting went well .

ImWearingPantaloons · 12/07/2024 17:45

How did you get on OP?

Been thinking about you today

tsmainsqueeze · 11/07/2024 19:14

Justrolledmyeyesoutloud · 07/07/2024 01:55

Just read your full op and am absolutely disgusted you have been reprimanded for making parents of a dying child a cup of tea and got them something to eat. Truly shocked.

Me too , what kind of people would begrudge this ?

mitogoshi · 11/07/2024 19:13

Just wanted to say well done op! None of us think resources should be wasted but compassion is so important too. I would happily donate to my local children's hospital to fund such things in fact (happen to know they are good about such things) hopefully you will be able to be redeployed in a better environment

MissMoneyFairy · 11/07/2024 19:11

LordSnot · 11/07/2024 19:09

I also joined a union because of Mumsnet posters. I've never had to use it but I'm glad it's there.

I hope it goes well for you tomorrow and justice is served.

Justice will be served, along with tea and biscuits for all

LordSnot · 11/07/2024 19:09

I also joined a union because of Mumsnet posters. I've never had to use it but I'm glad it's there.

I hope it goes well for you tomorrow and justice is served.

ImWearingPantaloons · 11/07/2024 19:04

Thinking of you tomorrow.

Please update us

nocoolnamesleft · 11/07/2024 18:37

Wishing you all the best for tomorrow. Hold your head high for caring for the children and family in your care.

Glitterbiscuits · 11/07/2024 14:03

Good luck @Mamtorr

Thanks for making a stand for human decency

Codlingmoths · 11/07/2024 13:52

Also if I was a consultant and heard something like this I’d march down to the ward, personally make a cup of tea for every visiting family (& patients who were able) and tell the staff to make sure Nurse Ratchet heard, and if she wanted to make a complaint about me she was welcome to.

Codlingmoths · 11/07/2024 13:50

Good luck tomorrow op.

ScottBakula · 11/07/2024 13:43

You sound amazing @Mamtorr , thankyou so much for looking after your patients with care and compassion .
I hope everything goes well for you tomorrow, you have a good union rep and the mumsnet army behind you.

I agree that no matter what role you are in you should join a union.

I have been in one for 30 ish years , twice they have stopped me from getting made redundant, and once they have backed my to get my place of work to change their safety code of practice.
Dont wait until you need one , do it today !

MissMoneyFairy · 11/07/2024 13:24

Of course in some instances its for management to be seen to be doing something but there will also be serious misconduct that needs urgent investigation and suspension, like Lucy Letby ( joke it looks months to do anything ). I'd ask the panel to add up the costs involved in this case vs the cost of a hot drink and 2 meals.,its all about do as we say, policies, once you do it everyone else will blah blah. The kindness and empathy gets lost in the pig headedness

Juyjuly32 · 11/07/2024 13:14

MissMoneyFairy · 11/07/2024 12:38

What's the meeting tomorrow about, are you appealing the warning or is it for them to decide what they are going to do. Have you already had a investigative meeting followed by the discipljbaru where they issued a formal warning, it all sounds really
Petty and I'm surprised hr and the investigating officer has let it lead to this instead of just a ward and matron meeting.

I remember hearing someone say once HR are for the benefit of management so I wouldn't trust them. Confidentiality in NHS is pretty slack for staff members.

Juyjuly32 · 11/07/2024 13:12

This is really shocking but I am not surprised. I absolutely agree if you work in the NHS impaericular you must join a union today.

What does your site Matron think of this? It's absolutely ridiculous! That this has even become a thing now how many resources are being used for a full investigation?.

randomchap · 11/07/2024 12:58

Boltonb · 11/07/2024 12:46

Budgets are squeezed tight. So what a waste of resources to get into a legal challenge with staff for making a fucking cup of tea or giving a couple of sandwiches to the family of a dying child.

For goodness sake. If money needs to be saved it could start with the (often) overpaid, useless management in most NHS trusts.

Just to be clear, when I said It's good that it's being addressed, I meant the fact that parents don't get fed when their children are in hospital. Not that I'm glad that the OP is getting a disciplinary.

imho Sophie's legacy can't come in soon enough and should be expanded to include siblings as well.

Yiayoula · 11/07/2024 12:55

Whatmonth · 11/07/2024 08:02

I hope this thread is picked up by the press.
What a horrible ward housekeeper.
And your manager words fail me.
Good luck for Friday

Yes, where’s the Daily Fail when you need it ?
And I’m afraid I can think of several words for the housekeeper and the manager ……🤬🤬🤬

MissMoneyFairy · 11/07/2024 12:47

Good for you, ,let your rep speak for you, its impossible to argue with idiots who won't back down. id be requesting an immediate move to a different ward and the warning to be dismissed, removed from your employment file or, if they continue with this nonsense at best, downgraded to a verbal. What level of warning did they give you. Hopefulky your manager will also be spoken to about wasting resources,

Boltonb · 11/07/2024 12:46

randomchap · 07/07/2024 07:08

Budgets are squeezed tight, catering gets given enough to feed patients, not the families of patients.

It's good that it's being addressed

Budgets are squeezed tight. So what a waste of resources to get into a legal challenge with staff for making a fucking cup of tea or giving a couple of sandwiches to the family of a dying child.

For goodness sake. If money needs to be saved it could start with the (often) overpaid, useless management in most NHS trusts.

Mamtorr · 11/07/2024 12:40

MissMoneyFairy · 11/07/2024 12:38

What's the meeting tomorrow about, are you appealing the warning or is it for them to decide what they are going to do. Have you already had a investigative meeting followed by the discipljbaru where they issued a formal warning, it all sounds really
Petty and I'm surprised hr and the investigating officer has let it lead to this instead of just a ward and matron meeting.

I'm appealing the warning.

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Mamtorr · 11/07/2024 12:40

MissMoneyFairy · 11/07/2024 11:48

She didn't report you for making tea, she reported you if you did call her stupid, if you did just apologise as its not professional, the whole situation is ridiculous though and could have been sorted at ward level. A friend of mine was suspended for ordering a taxi after working unpaid overtime to visit her sick partner in hospital, its not what you do, its the way that you do it, as the song goes. Enjoy being paid full pay for having a rest. Ordering for a distressed parent is not the same as ordering extra for the staff which is a hanging offense these days, red tape at its finest.

No I didn't call her stupid. I said 'don't be ridiculous they have just had their lives turned upside down, it's just a cup of tea'

I paraphrased earlier. I stand by what I said though

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MissMoneyFairy · 11/07/2024 12:38

What's the meeting tomorrow about, are you appealing the warning or is it for them to decide what they are going to do. Have you already had a investigative meeting followed by the discipljbaru where they issued a formal warning, it all sounds really
Petty and I'm surprised hr and the investigating officer has let it lead to this instead of just a ward and matron meeting.

MissMoneyFairy · 11/07/2024 12:18

easylikeasundaymorn · 11/07/2024 12:15

Op says the investigation is for "inappropriately using ward resources" rather than rudeness or unprofessional behaviour. Not that anything she's done should warrant this.

I'd have been tempted to chuck 5p at the manager to cover the tea bag and 1/20th of a pint of milk and tell her to stick that in the budget.

How can they seriously justify the cost of a cup of tea and 2 patient meals versus the cost of having you suspended on full pay, therefore needing agency to cover your shifts, the time taken for everyone in the investigation etc - would come to 30x more the alleged resources you "wasted", its completely disproportionate.

Because they are petty penny pinchers and the hostess might be embarrassed to say she was rude to me so they've turned it into a mountain not the teeny weeny Mousehole it could have been.

easylikeasundaymorn · 11/07/2024 12:15

MissMoneyFairy · 11/07/2024 11:48

She didn't report you for making tea, she reported you if you did call her stupid, if you did just apologise as its not professional, the whole situation is ridiculous though and could have been sorted at ward level. A friend of mine was suspended for ordering a taxi after working unpaid overtime to visit her sick partner in hospital, its not what you do, its the way that you do it, as the song goes. Enjoy being paid full pay for having a rest. Ordering for a distressed parent is not the same as ordering extra for the staff which is a hanging offense these days, red tape at its finest.

Op says the investigation is for "inappropriately using ward resources" rather than rudeness or unprofessional behaviour. Not that anything she's done should warrant this.

I'd have been tempted to chuck 5p at the manager to cover the tea bag and 1/20th of a pint of milk and tell her to stick that in the budget.

How can they seriously justify the cost of a cup of tea and 2 patient meals versus the cost of having you suspended on full pay, therefore needing agency to cover your shifts, the time taken for everyone in the investigation etc - would come to 30x more the alleged resources you "wasted", its completely disproportionate.

MissMoneyFairy · 11/07/2024 12:07

We always make a drink and biscuits for relatives with very sick patients or follow, it takes nothing to be kind. Our lovely ward hostess offers to do this if we're busy, on the tearoubds what's an extra few teabags to anyone really. If I were the unit manager this is something I'd bring up in the managers meeting, let the meanies give their reasons and costings to the Trust. Ask them how they would handle the situation in your meeting, ask how you can all improve the care for parents, acknowledge the ward hostess may have felt undermined but that you stick by what you did . Offer to pay for the meals which of course they will say no to. If they decide, or you decide, to move then it's for the best reasons as you cannot work in an uncaring environment that leads to a disciplinary, it will be their loss.