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To think this isn’t 3 hours of work?

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WWYDwiththisone · 06/07/2024 21:09

We had a cleaner come to our new house purchase the other day to do a deep clean. Two of them came, charging £23 an hour each.

They were supposed to arrive at 2. They didn’t arrive until 3:25pm because they were ‘late’ from another cleaning job. They said they would stay until the work was done, yet told DH they needed to leave at 4:50 as they hadn’t eaten all day. They said they’d come back the following day but I told them we needed it that day really so we’d have to do it between myself, my mum and my sister

They did almost 1.5hrs of work each, 3 hours combined.

In that time; they cleaned an IKEA Pax wardrobe unit in one of the bedrooms, cleaned the walls in the bathroom, the bathroom sink and the bath. That is it. They left the toilet, they didn’t get round to the kitchen, or skirting boards, or vacuuming, or mopping.

They have now invoiced for £69.

I don’t see how it would take 2 people 1.5hrs to do the above. I’m pretty sure I could do it in 45 minutes.

AIBU to think that’s extremely bad value? What would you compromise if so?

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Thedayb4youcame · 06/07/2024 22:30

Deebee90 · 06/07/2024 22:28

I’d pay them an hour each if I’m honest, tell them why and leave a review. I’d also be worried about the comeback if you didn’t pay them anything .

But then you wouldn't worry about comeback from paying less than they asked, or by leaving a poor review? I really need to strengthen up I think.

Thedayb4youcame · 06/07/2024 22:28

Bobbotgegrinch · 06/07/2024 22:22

Because most people aren't interested in getting a criminal record.

I guess I am more cynical than you. If I don't know anything about someone, I always act on the side of caution. But we're all different. I do get paranoid about annoying someone if they know where I live, or if they're cooking me a meal etc.

Having re:read the OP's messages, there is a lack of clarity on both sides. I've worked in the cleaning industry for a very long time, and no cleaning company who really knows what they are doing should be claiming to stay until the work is done AND charge an hourly rate. It's one or the other - you pay for the time or you pay for the "job".

And the OP should have put a cap on it at the time of booking. For what it's worth, it's a good job they were late, because if they hadn't been and had stayed until the work was done, this post could now be along the lines of "they did all the work, but have charged me for six hours".

If it were me, I'd just be glad it's all over.

Deebee90 · 06/07/2024 22:28

I’d pay them an hour each if I’m honest, tell them why and leave a review. I’d also be worried about the comeback if you didn’t pay them anything .

reluctantbrit · 06/07/2024 22:27

If you have two people than the 3hr are split, so the clean should have been done in 1.5hr.

But, they definitely didn't do a lot and I would definitely raise it with the company, especially the lateness.

We had a regular cleaning company and booked them for a deep clean after some building works. We paid £300 for it, it was dirty so I was more than prepared to pay for it.

When we came home (they had keys) we found they basically just did a normal clean instead of a deep one and when we complained they just said "it was dirtier than normal" so they couldn't have finished.

We paid the normal fee, got our key back and sacked them. Luckily all was done by email so I had proof of what I asked them to do and made plenty of pictures.

Bobbotgegrinch · 06/07/2024 22:22

Thedayb4youcame · 06/07/2024 22:13

How so?

Because most people aren't interested in getting a criminal record.

Mumofoneandone · 06/07/2024 22:19

No way is that 3 hours work! Totally taking the mickey and with all the messing about with timings.
Maybe offer an hour's pay between them as a good will gesture but no more!
My cleaner is amazing, cleans a good sized 3 bed every week really thoroughly, so know what they can achieve!

Thedayb4youcame · 06/07/2024 22:16

WWYDwiththisone · 06/07/2024 22:10

Would you not be worried about them holding a grudge as PP has mentioned? It has crossed my mind

And like I said in my message, you've said they were in attendance for the hours they are asking payment for.

It may seem like nothing but a detail, however, it is very, very important that the difference between paying for time and paying for an outcome is fully appreciated.

Luxell934 · 06/07/2024 22:15

You can't not pay them anything.

You really should speak to them first and state how confused you were that what you agreed upon wasn't done. See what they say, they might offer to knock some money off.

Thedayb4youcame · 06/07/2024 22:13

Bobbotgegrinch · 06/07/2024 22:12

Not really, the chances of them actually turning up and vandalising my house are miniscule.

How so?

Bobbotgegrinch · 06/07/2024 22:12

WWYDwiththisone · 06/07/2024 22:10

Would you not be worried about them holding a grudge as PP has mentioned? It has crossed my mind

Not really, the chances of them actually turning up and vandalising my house are miniscule.

WWYDwiththisone · 06/07/2024 22:10

Bobbotgegrinch · 06/07/2024 22:08

I wouldn't be paying the anything. You contracted them for a deep clean, they didn't complete a deep clean.

They haven't fulfilled the contract so don't get paid.

Would you not be worried about them holding a grudge as PP has mentioned? It has crossed my mind

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Bobbotgegrinch · 06/07/2024 22:08

I wouldn't be paying the anything. You contracted them for a deep clean, they didn't complete a deep clean.

They haven't fulfilled the contract so don't get paid.

Rosscameasdoody · 06/07/2024 22:05

When I first employed our cleaner, the first clean was a three hour one. She turned up with another cleaner and it took them 1.5 hours. They did everything we agreed and charged me for three hours because there were two of them - 1.5 hours each.

C1N1C · 06/07/2024 22:02

In*

bows101 · 06/07/2024 22:01

Is it a company or just some chancers claiming to be cleaners from Facebook? I expect the latter- if it's a professional company they would rectify and want to hear about this asap.

C1N1C · 06/07/2024 22:01

I'd pay, learn from this, and be quite honest via message.

"Hi, I will pay you the £69, but after seeing what you accomplished on that time, I will be leaving an honest review online and will not be requiring your services further."

Thedayb4youcame · 06/07/2024 21:59

WWYDwiththisone · 06/07/2024 21:55

What do you mean by your first paragraph?

I mean, some people in this world are not as reasonable as you and I might be. We don't know how they may hold a grudge against you for underpaying, and nor do you.

They may take it on the chin. Or not. That's the risk you take.

Thedayb4youcame · 06/07/2024 21:58

foobio · 06/07/2024 21:45

Your contract was payment per person per hour, not for what they achieve during that hour, so unfortunatley I think you owe them the £69.

But a factual review on how much they got done in the hour, their timeliness and inability to stay for the time arranged wouldn't be unreasonable.

Edited

Agree totally with the first part.

The second part all comes down to whether or not you want any further grief in your life. A poor review to a local business will never be received easily and it doesn't seem worth the aggravation it will cause you. You could say all you've said here, but some people might think what went on was acceptable -it would only be a measure of your unhappiness.

WWYDwiththisone · 06/07/2024 21:55

Thedayb4youcame · 06/07/2024 21:54

Yes, you don't know these people, so who knows what they "could do" if they were that way inclined. But hopefully they will be reasonable people.

Legally, if they were charging by the hour and were there for the time stated, it is very, very hard to prove that you've not had good service as they were charging for their time, not for the work they were doing.

It's all very well them saying they would stay until the work was done, but it all comes back to the same thing - they were charging & you were paying for their time.

You can't therefore easily take an invoice where you've been charged for the time and complain that the "job" wasn't done. You can only really complain about "the job" if you were paying for "the job" to be done to an agreed standard.

For the sake of £69 and for not risking any further problems (unless you've the time & desire for the problems that will inevitably follow from underpaying), I would say pay it and write it off as one of life's less-satisfactory experiences.

What do you mean by your first paragraph?

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Thedayb4youcame · 06/07/2024 21:54

WWYDwiththisone · 06/07/2024 21:32

Is there anything they could possibly do if I only paid them an hour instead?

Yes, you don't know these people, so who knows what they "could do" if they were that way inclined. But hopefully they will be reasonable people.

Legally, if they were charging by the hour and were there for the time stated, it is very, very hard to prove that you've not had good service as they were charging for their time, not for the work they were doing.

It's all very well them saying they would stay until the work was done, but it all comes back to the same thing - they were charging & you were paying for their time.

You can't therefore easily take an invoice where you've been charged for the time and complain that the "job" wasn't done. You can only really complain about "the job" if you were paying for "the job" to be done to an agreed standard.

For the sake of £69 and for not risking any further problems (unless you've the time & desire for the problems that will inevitably follow from underpaying), I would say pay it and write it off as one of life's less-satisfactory experiences.

WWYDwiththisone · 06/07/2024 21:53

katebushh · 06/07/2024 21:52

Is the cleaning firm called Miss Merry by any chance?

No :)

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katebushh · 06/07/2024 21:52

Is the cleaning firm called Miss Merry by any chance?

WWYDwiththisone · 06/07/2024 21:49

foobio · 06/07/2024 21:45

Your contract was payment per person per hour, not for what they achieve during that hour, so unfortunatley I think you owe them the £69.

But a factual review on how much they got done in the hour, their timeliness and inability to stay for the time arranged wouldn't be unreasonable.

Edited

Surely their contract was to arrive on time and fulfil the job when promised? I dunno. I see it as paying for a hotel stay but the hotel being filthy, or paying for a meal and them missing half the order but wanting to charge you for all of it

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WWYDwiththisone · 06/07/2024 21:47

MooonDreamer · 06/07/2024 21:44

OP I'm not clear on what was agreed?

Your OP makes it sound like they were supposed to do 3 hours work but then you say you didn't agree on a time. Did you agree on a list of tasks?

It went something like

’hi, can I book you for a deep clean? we would like the kitchen and bathroom deep cleaning, as well the wardrobe in the spare room and all the windows/skirting boards’

’yes, we have Tuesday afternoon available. we don’t usually set a time limit, we work until the work is done and charge an hourly rate of £23. since there will be two of us it won’t be a problem to do the requested. we have sorted childcare pick up so we can stay as long as needed’

‘me, great, let’s do it’

I thought with there being two of them they’d reasonably stay 2-6pm and get everything we asked for done. They were over an hour late and after an hour and twenty five minutes they said they needed to go as they hadn’t eaten all day, and would return the next day. I walked around the house (wasn’t there at time of clean, DH was downstairs painting so not watching over them either) and found they’d only done what I described above. The bathroom walls were actually still dusty when I ran a hand over them. I’m struggling to see how that’s all two people could achieve in 1.5hrs (3hrs of work between them) and don’t want to pay £70 for it

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ThinkAboutItTomorrow · 06/07/2024 21:46

I had 2 people do 4 hours each, so 8 hours for a 'deep clean'. It was rubbish.

They did the kitchen & utility, but not the appliances (they wanted an extra £15 to just clean the hob!)

2 bathrooms with showers & baths. But I had to completely empty the bathrooms, including moving a cabinet out.

Hoovered downstairs and one bedroom and a hallway. Didn't even dust or wipe down bedroom surfaces.

That was all. It was a joke. It wasn't even really horribly dirty, just hadn't had a thorough clean for a while, I'd been keeping on top of it but not being super thorough.

They stayed the full time & made sounds like they were busy but just did so little.

I paid £165.