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To think that calling someone "spa***c" is offensive?

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IglooLists · 06/07/2024 17:00

I'm in a parenting group on FB that describes itself as a "respectful parenting community". Someone posted for some advice about her child's behaviour, and described him as "goes spastic". There was nothing in the post to suggest the child has any medical condition. I responded with some advice, and also said that I was struggling to get past the use of "spastic", and questioned the moderation of the group. Cue several responses to me suggesting that I don't know what the word means, it's my problem if I interpret it as offensive, it's just a word, etc etc. I felt like I'd stepped into a parallel universe!
Am I some kind of professionally offended snowflake or is that an incredibly offensive way to describe someone?

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TowerRavenSeven · 06/07/2024 20:48

I’m in the states, it has always been derogatory here!!

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saraclara · 06/07/2024 20:20

I would also say that while retard is still used in the US, it's on the decline. People are starting to recognise that it's seen as offensive.

While retardation still has a place in medical definitions, and talking about someone being retarded might well be around for some time, until medical professionals over there stop using it, retard as a noun is gradually coming into 'hmmm, this probably isn't a good way to describe someone' territory.

saraclara · 06/07/2024 20:15

IglooLists · 06/07/2024 19:40

@saraclara In the US cerebral palsy had never been referred to as spasticity. People with the condition have never been called spastics. Consequently in the US it is not a derogatory word.

Ah! 💡 This is very helpful context! Thank you.

I hope I've helped. It's some years since I was enlightened to the (non) history of the word there.

My American friends used to (probably still do, but they now try not to when they talk to me) refer to their kids being over excitable as 'spazzing out'. I was beyond horrified before this was all explained to me.

It's also been helpful to my friends to know never to use the word when they visit the UK, where the derivation is very very different.

Shan5474 · 06/07/2024 20:14

It seems to me the person is using the word to mean wild/crazy/uncontrollable which I would take to be an offensive use of the word as it doesn’t seem to be referring to actual muscle spasticity. Even in a country where the word is not seen offensive in itself, I would liken it a bit to saying he acts like he is disabled or like he has learning difficulties, when describing “wild” behaviour. Disabled is not an offensive word, but it could be seen as so in that context

I had a relative visiting from Australia who said the word spastic and I had to explain it’s really offensive here. She was shocked, but I suspect even though it’s acceptable in Australia it’s only in certain contexts

Needmorelego · 06/07/2024 20:11

@Otterseatpuffinsdontthey yes VERY offensive in the UK.
However the OP has confirmed it's an international Facebook group and in America it actually has a different meaning and isn't necessarily considered offensive.

Otterseatpuffinsdontthey · 06/07/2024 20:07

Have only read the Op's post.
It's offensive.

godmum56 · 06/07/2024 19:43

TomatoSandwiches · 06/07/2024 17:07

My son is under a specialist paediatrician for spastics, it's part of their title.

Calling someone spastic is derogatory and some Americans seem to think they're the exception and refuse to be educated on the matter.

In England? I haven't heard that term used medically for at least 30 years

IglooLists · 06/07/2024 19:40

@saraclara In the US cerebral palsy had never been referred to as spasticity. People with the condition have never been called spastics. Consequently in the US it is not a derogatory word.

Ah! 💡 This is very helpful context! Thank you.

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IglooLists · 06/07/2024 19:39

Twinklewonderkins · 06/07/2024 19:20

Yes it’s meant offensively. Either on purpose or ignorantly.
I’m a health care professional and I’m an LD specialist.
I wouldn’t tolerate that or the R word or anything else Americans insist is just a descriptor whist using it to denigrate vulnerable people.

Ah... I didn't realise the R word was in the same "OK in America" camp. That explains why my comparison with that term, to illustrate why they were both offensive, drew a complete blank 😅 They must just think I'm very easily offended!

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DinnaeFashYersel · 06/07/2024 19:31

It's been derogatory for about 3 or 4 decades in the UK

TheThreeCheesesOfTheApocalypse44 · 06/07/2024 19:29

Horrible use of the word......I remember my nana shouting at some people collecting for ' the spastics society ' as it was seen as offensive and outdated even then (( well over 30 years ago )) There's no way people don't know it's a foul term when used in a derogatory way. And to describe her own child like that is just disgusting.

Different if used as a medical term, ie spasticity of limbs......but let's face it, she wasn't.

itsgettingweird · 06/07/2024 19:28

mindexplode · 06/07/2024 19:12

My boys have an incredibly rare condition which medical term has the world spastic in it, they are more than aware of their condition and the issues it causes.
As normal teenagers they insult each other (they are very close) and call each other spastic which is technically correct. I've told them not to do it in public or to anyone else as it's very much a between them joke. Dark humour is used a lot in this house.

Hereditary spastic paraplegia?

My ds has this.

Thursdaygirl · 06/07/2024 19:26

NotbloodyGivingupYet · 06/07/2024 17:05

The group is very wrong. The Cerebral palsy charity used to be called the spastic society I think, but the term spastic has always been derogatory. Happy memories of kids in my school calling each other "spazz" if they missed a kick in football 😬

I guess we went to the same school!

itsgettingweird · 06/07/2024 19:25

Depends what they mean by the description.

If it's spasticity - as in a neuromuscular condition - what word can you use for when the muscles go into spasticity.

If it's the other - imo degeritory term - m description of behaviour then I'd call it out every time.

mumof2many1943 · 06/07/2024 19:24

Many years ago my daughter and her best friend pushed a boy in a ditch for calling my son a spazzy (he has Down Syndrome) they were summoned to the headteacher’s office he did not tell the girls off but the boy was. I must add I reprimanded her severely!

saraclara · 06/07/2024 19:22

In the US cerebral palsy had never been referred to as spasticity. People with the condition have never been called spastics. Consequently in the US it is not a derogatory word.

As a teacher of disabled children, when I initially came across Americans using the word, I was reacting very badly and lecturing them, as you seem to have done @IglooLists . It took quite some time (and the patience and thoughtfulness of an American pediatrician in explaining it to me) for me to back down and recognise that this was a linguistic cultural difference, and a case of 'being divided by a common language'.

It still instinctively makes me cringe when I come across it from someone in the US, but I now recognise that I was mistaken in interpreting it on the way I did.

Twinklewonderkins · 06/07/2024 19:20

Yes it’s meant offensively. Either on purpose or ignorantly.
I’m a health care professional and I’m an LD specialist.
I wouldn’t tolerate that or the R word or anything else Americans insist is just a descriptor whist using it to denigrate vulnerable people.

sommerjade · 06/07/2024 19:19

You were right to call them out. I knew it was an offensive word as a child 30 years ago!

Margo2023 · 06/07/2024 19:16

Agree with you, it is a disgusting and derogatory word, gives me the bike just thinking of someone using it. I'd easily call someone out for using it. Pretty normal back in the 90s school days

mindexplode · 06/07/2024 19:12

My boys have an incredibly rare condition which medical term has the world spastic in it, they are more than aware of their condition and the issues it causes.
As normal teenagers they insult each other (they are very close) and call each other spastic which is technically correct. I've told them not to do it in public or to anyone else as it's very much a between them joke. Dark humour is used a lot in this house.

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Moier · 06/07/2024 19:02

I think it's Simply hurtful and derogatory.
I was called a cripple because l use walking aids . Some on here said l was being too sensitive.