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To think that calling someone "spa***c" is offensive?

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IglooLists · 06/07/2024 17:00

I'm in a parenting group on FB that describes itself as a "respectful parenting community". Someone posted for some advice about her child's behaviour, and described him as "goes spastic". There was nothing in the post to suggest the child has any medical condition. I responded with some advice, and also said that I was struggling to get past the use of "spastic", and questioned the moderation of the group. Cue several responses to me suggesting that I don't know what the word means, it's my problem if I interpret it as offensive, it's just a word, etc etc. I felt like I'd stepped into a parallel universe!
Am I some kind of professionally offended snowflake or is that an incredibly offensive way to describe someone?

[Title amended by MNHQ]

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saraclara · 06/07/2024 22:55

marmaladeandpeanutbutter · 06/07/2024 22:47

Deeply offensive. The person must live under a rock not to know that.

If you read the OP 's updates, the person was in the US where the history and usage of the word is very different.

Of course it's horribly offensive in the UK, but in the US it has never been used for people with cerebral palsy (or any other disability).

marmaladeandpeanutbutter · 06/07/2024 22:47

Deeply offensive. The person must live under a rock not to know that.

Normallynumb · 06/07/2024 22:46

I have Cerebral Palsy so this word makes me shudder. It is a medical term which literally applies to me, but was frequently used by bullies.
It's really offensive to me to see the word to describe behaviour or personality..

CarolinaInTheMorning · 06/07/2024 22:40

Why has my post been hidden? I was commenting on the different history of the word as used in the US, and that it is becoming less acceptable.

TurtleMoon · 06/07/2024 22:37

I was at school with a girl who had cerebral palsy in the 90s, in continental Europe. I was telling my British husband how brilliantly my school dealt with diversity, "they got this spastic girl to give a chat in assembly so everyone understood why she had certain adaptations". He was beyond horrified and told me it was an incredibly offensive word. I could tell he was shocked I'd used it. Thing is, it was a direct translation from my home language, and my class mate used to tell people she was spastic. In my home country it was used as a descriptor, not as an insult. I've never used the word since finding out how offensive it is in the UK.

I guess what I am trying to say is that context matters a lot with these things. That said, "being very spastic" sounds inconsiderate regardless of context, to put it mildly...

IglooLists · 06/07/2024 22:36

@Samcro I definitely believed it was offensive, but the response on Facebook was unanimously that I was wrong. I wasn't trying to be provocative or upset anyone here; I was genuinely questioning my own interpretation of the word as offensive. As I said, it felt like a parallel universe to have everyone telling me it was totally fine.
I'm sorry for your DC's experience.

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CarolinaInTheMorning · 06/07/2024 22:36

GreenSmithing · 06/07/2024 17:30

Is it a mostly US group? I think it's less likely to be seen as offensive in the US, although that is starting to change. In a UK context, highly offensive.

Spastic or "spaz" does not resonate the same way in the US as it does in the UK; it is more like using the word "idiot." There are a lot of reasons for this, one of which is that "spastic" was never generally used in the US for cerebral palsy as it was in the UK. With more globalized discussion, however, more people understand its wider connotations, and it is becoming less acceptable in the US.

WingsofRain · 06/07/2024 22:29

I was expelled from a Facebook group for politely pointing out that it’s an offensive term.

There are worse words used to refer to disabled people (I’ve seen the worst one used on this site and was horrified) but I feel it’s unacceptable to use derogatory language where others might be upset by it, even if you might not usually regard a word as offensive in your local culture.

Being aware of other people’s life experiences and how language might have been used against them in the past is a good thing I think, but sadly not everyone on social media does it.

ThereIsAlwaysWine · 06/07/2024 22:18

My daughter was excluded from secondary school in year 10 for using the word, and that was 11 years ago!

LenaMoon · 06/07/2024 22:17

Yes and the title and OP are different. Going spastic may be a medical term.

Samcro · 06/07/2024 22:16

These threads are annoying.
the op knows it’s offensive (why else would they ask)
Of course it’s offensive.
I hate it when people pretend it isn’t.
my now adult child has had that word used to bully them.
not because they are disabled, but because their sibling is.

WayDownThere · 06/07/2024 22:16

BanditofBrisbane · 06/07/2024 17:14

Calling someone spastic is derogatory and some Americans seem to think they're the exception and refuse to be educated on the matter. while at the same time going mad if you use the term Gypsy - despite pointing out that in the UK the Gypsy-run advocacy group is called the Gypsy Council

Gypsy/gypo is used a a derogatory term. Much as spastic was, hence the reason Scope changed their name. The Gypsy, Roma and Traveller advisory groups in the UK recognise the differences between the three ethnicities. You can't argue the semantics of using their own name.

Readingallthetime · 06/07/2024 22:13

Thanks @IglooLists and @betterangels !

Luckily he's a very confident and happy boy so far. But I just know that one day his bubble will be burst. However I think he will be resilient and fingers crossed he will have a great time at secondary 🤞

betterangels · 06/07/2024 22:10

I've told him that if anyone says that, they are extremely silly, because they are describing his muscles and how can he 'be' his muscles. He agrees. Also he says that if anyone calls him 'weird' he will say 'thankyou! I like being weird!'

Love this. I hope school his kind to him, and he keeps his spark ❤️

IglooLists · 06/07/2024 22:05

I'm sorry to hear all of the stories from people who have experienced bullying using this word, and I apologise if I have unearthed painful memories with this thread.
I was mostly just bewildered by how adamant everyone was that it's a perfectly acceptable word and I was the one with the problem.
@readingallthetime I hope your lovely boy gets off to a flying start in September and finds his tribe. It's heart breaking thinking that anyone will be unkind to them 😢

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IglooLists · 06/07/2024 22:02

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No, I'm in the UK.

Perhaps I did shoot from the hip without doing any research. But even if I had known the term wasn't offensive in the States I still would have commented that it's very offensive here, purely because it's an international group and I think it's worth a heads up. As it was, all I said was "I'm struggling to get past the use of 'spastic'", and then when I got a bit of a pile on in response (not from the OP, but from other members) I said "I'm in the UK and in my cultural context it's incredibly offensive, so I was just shocked to see it get past moderation." So it wasn't a particularly aggressive "shot from the hip" 🙂

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Readingallthetime · 06/07/2024 21:40

My son has cerebral palsy and has spasticity in his arms and legs. He's starting secondary school in September, and I have been trying to prepare him for the inevitable bullying by telling him that some children may call him a spastic.

I've told him that if anyone says that, they are extremely silly, because they are describing his muscles and how can he 'be' his muscles. He agrees. Also he says that if anyone calls him 'weird' he will say 'thankyou! I like being weird!'.

Everyone at primary school has been so lovely to him so I am dreading his first bad experience.

MasterBeth · 06/07/2024 21:38

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Obviously, because she is likely not to be ignorant of current medical terminology.

SwordToFlamethrower · 06/07/2024 21:33

Name calling is supposed to be offensive isn't it, that's the point?

Melroses · 06/07/2024 21:29

I have noticed a come back of medical terms as insults. As well as "spastic/spazz", "mong' seems to be a thing again, and I have seen "cretin" a lot on twitter/X. 😔

Haveyouseenmyinsertitemhere · 06/07/2024 21:25

Wow, that's a very 80s insult! I didn't even realise people used it these days. It was out of favour as a medical terrible back in the 80s.

DietrichandDiMaggio · 06/07/2024 21:22

Just because in the US people don't think it's offensive, it doesn't mean it isn't. Where do you think they got the word from and it's not used in a complimentary way is it? As somebody else said, it's a term that comes from a disability and is used to describe someone behaving in an undesirable way. When it was used as an insult when I was young, it wasn't used to mean someone was having muscle spasms, it was to liken someone to a person with a learning disability, so it didn't really make sense, but the intention was clear.

NotbloodyGivingupYet · 06/07/2024 21:19

Thursdaygirl · 06/07/2024 19:26

I guess we went to the same school!

Happy days 😕

mumof2many1943 · 06/07/2024 20:59

stokesauce they were 11/12 years old 😖

ValleyClouds · 06/07/2024 20:54

As someone with CP I find the word very upsetting, I understand Americans use it differently, but it makes me flinch still