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To actually feel sorry for the woman driving the car in the Wimbledon car accident

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bagpuss90 · 06/07/2024 16:44

I’m sure I’ll be flamed here . I totally sympathise with the bereaved parents- I can’t stress that enough. I can understand them wanting justice . As we know the driver of the car suffered an epileptic seizure at the wheel - she had no history of epilepsy. I don’t see what she could have done differently. She has to live with what she did although it wasn’t her fault. AIBU to feel quite sorry for her ?

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WhistPie · 08/07/2024 21:33

Sirine1708 · 08/07/2024 21:30

I'm saying about %. SUVs/Teslas are a norm in many affluent areas in London, so if a driver there exleriences some "blackout", they will highly likely be driving one of those heavy cars.

I regularly cross the road in Wimbledon Village, and whilst there are a lot of SUVs, there are an even larger number of medium sized cars. There are also quite a lot of coaches and buses!

letsgoooo · 08/07/2024 21:33

@Floppysock

It evidently has, but that's because the people having their suspicions raised aren't very sensible or well informed.

...The parents and 2 headteachers?...

They may not be lacking sense but they are emotionally compromised. Of course they are. The freaking parents would want to know EVERYTHING. I would 100%. Trying to make sense of this senseless accident is going to take a whole lot more than a year to process.
And the school heads held the bodies of two children they were looking after. Their nursery is in the news as the scene of tragedy.

These are not impartial people.

Sirine1708 · 08/07/2024 21:30

WhistPie · 08/07/2024 21:22

People without money, in ordinary cars are allowed to drive through Wimbledon Village you know - it's public roads

I'm saying about %. SUVs/Teslas are a norm in many affluent areas in London, so if a driver there exleriences some "blackout", they will highly likely be driving one of those heavy cars.

WhistPie · 08/07/2024 21:24

ThePerkyDuck · 08/07/2024 17:25

Based on the article the families asked the question to the police and they didn’t reply to them. What does MN have to do with that article?

Because the half wits who post on here are speculating and saying the police should respond - I take it you haven't read most of this thread?

WhistPie · 08/07/2024 21:22

Sirine1708 · 08/07/2024 21:08

What I was thinking this evening - if a person will be having a seizure in Wimbledon, they highly likely will be well off and in a SUV or Tesla just because it's a decent % of population there. So it might be not poor driving skills/arrogance after all but a genuine ill fortune.

People without money, in ordinary cars are allowed to drive through Wimbledon Village you know - it's public roads

Sirine1708 · 08/07/2024 21:08

What I was thinking this evening - if a person will be having a seizure in Wimbledon, they highly likely will be well off and in a SUV or Tesla just because it's a decent % of population there. So it might be not poor driving skills/arrogance after all but a genuine ill fortune.

Emilyontmoor · 08/07/2024 20:54

Floppysock · 08/07/2024 20:44

I think if it was "just" the families unhappy, it would be reasonable to think they're struggling without someone to blame, but the 2 heads from the school also aren't happy with the investigation.

Whatever the reason, a review seems appropriate.

Of course they aren’t. They held two dying pupils in their arms. They were not able to keep them safe. They run an expensive private school that will forever be associated with this rather than their previous reputation for good pastoral care. They have expressed their trauma that they were not able to keep them safe. They are in no better emotional shape to accept it was an accident than the parents, especially as the Met have failed to communicate with them about what they were doing, and haven’t even interviewed them which would be some sort of catharsis. As I said before they have only expressed dissatisfaction with the Met, not raised any suspicions about the driver.

Floppysock · 08/07/2024 20:54

SocoBateVira · 08/07/2024 20:52

Perhaps the fact she needed the best solicitors in the land to prove what you'd think would be straightforward, has raised suspicions.

It evidently has, but that's because the people having their suspicions raised aren't very sensible or well informed.

The parents and 2 headteachers?

SocoBateVira · 08/07/2024 20:52

Perhaps the fact she needed the best solicitors in the land to prove what you'd think would be straightforward, has raised suspicions.

It evidently has, but that's because the people having their suspicions raised aren't very sensible or well informed.

Floppysock · 08/07/2024 20:48

Emilyontmoor · 08/07/2024 20:46

This came up in the case I was involved with. If he was genuine why did he engage a solicitor before his interview with the Met? Completely dismissed.

if you live in London you know from your own, or the experience of others, that you get the best legal representation you can afford, especially if you are black or a woman. It has been widely exposed but I can give a long list of the misogyny and racism I have encountered, both working with them and in other encounters. Including alleging that my neighbour was likely guilty of all the allegations her neighbour upstairs who was in her 40s and had a child had made because (with a nod and a wink) “ well she is a single 30 with a cat and time on her hands, probably jealous” It was actually very much the other way round, and with the help of recordings we had already provided evidence to Social Services of child abuse.

We have seen the snobbery and stereotyping on here. It would definitely be in the arsenal of the Met.

I'm not saying they're right, I'm saying it could be one of the reasons they have suspicions.

Emilyontmoor · 08/07/2024 20:46

Floppysock · 08/07/2024 20:14

I think the families aren't happy that it's been "proven" she didn't know she shouldn't have been driving. Whether that's becuase they have genuine cause for suspicion or becuase they haven't seen the evidence, I don't know.

Perhaps the fact she needed the best solicitors in the land to prove what you'd think would be straightforward, has raised suspicions.

This came up in the case I was involved with. If he was genuine why did he engage a solicitor before his interview with the Met? Completely dismissed.

if you live in London you know from your own, or the experience of others, that you get the best legal representation you can afford, especially if you are black or a woman. It has been widely exposed but I can give a long list of the misogyny and racism I have encountered, both working with them and in other encounters. Including alleging that my neighbour was likely guilty of all the allegations her neighbour upstairs who was in her 40s and had a child had made because (with a nod and a wink) “ well she is a single 30 with a cat and time on her hands, probably jealous” It was actually very much the other way round, and with the help of recordings we had already provided evidence to Social Services of child abuse.

We have seen the snobbery and stereotyping on here. It would definitely be in the arsenal of the Met.

Floppysock · 08/07/2024 20:44

I think if it was "just" the families unhappy, it would be reasonable to think they're struggling without someone to blame, but the 2 heads from the school also aren't happy with the investigation.

Whatever the reason, a review seems appropriate.

Floppysock · 08/07/2024 20:43

InterIgnis · 08/07/2024 20:32

Why would hiring the best solicitors you could afford ‘raise suspicions’? Most people would do that, guilty or innocent.

The families are not entitled to her medical records.

Edited

As I said, I don't know why they have suspicions, but they do and they were apparently kept informed throughout the investigation.

InterIgnis · 08/07/2024 20:32

Floppysock · 08/07/2024 20:14

I think the families aren't happy that it's been "proven" she didn't know she shouldn't have been driving. Whether that's becuase they have genuine cause for suspicion or becuase they haven't seen the evidence, I don't know.

Perhaps the fact she needed the best solicitors in the land to prove what you'd think would be straightforward, has raised suspicions.

Why would hiring the best solicitors you could afford ‘raise suspicions’? Most people would do that, guilty or innocent.

The families are not entitled to her medical records.

InterIgnis · 08/07/2024 20:30

Regardless of anyone’s distaste for her vehicle, she wasn’t committing a crime by driving it. Unfortunately she had a seizure, without warning, and this led to her losing control of the car and the girls being killed. A freak accident. Sometimes there isn’t anyone to blame or punish, and this is one of those occasions.

letsgoooo · 08/07/2024 20:26

@Floppysock

Perhaps the fact she needed the best solicitors in the land to prove what you'd think would be straightforward, has raised suspicions.
If you had a seizure and you had money wouldn't you get the best representation you could?

Floppysock · 08/07/2024 20:14

spikeandbuffy · 08/07/2024 19:35

I can't see any other reason than she had a seizure

If she was on her phone, hit the wrong pedal, got distracted then you would have tried to swerve even last minute to avoid hitting

The only real reason is that it was a seizure and she was unconscious hence going in a straight line probably because her foot jammed down on the pedal

It's happened before with people having seizures, strokes, heart attacks and it'll happen again because we are human

I think the families aren't happy that it's been "proven" she didn't know she shouldn't have been driving. Whether that's becuase they have genuine cause for suspicion or becuase they haven't seen the evidence, I don't know.

Perhaps the fact she needed the best solicitors in the land to prove what you'd think would be straightforward, has raised suspicions.

Daftasabroom · 08/07/2024 20:05

@letsgoooo you're right I definitely differentiate between "she killed the children" and "the children were killed when struck by an out of control vehicle".

Some people seem to desperately need someone to blame or to scapegoat, I think that's really unhealthy.

spikeandbuffy · 08/07/2024 19:35

I can't see any other reason than she had a seizure

If she was on her phone, hit the wrong pedal, got distracted then you would have tried to swerve even last minute to avoid hitting

The only real reason is that it was a seizure and she was unconscious hence going in a straight line probably because her foot jammed down on the pedal

It's happened before with people having seizures, strokes, heart attacks and it'll happen again because we are human

letsgoooo · 08/07/2024 19:31

@Daftasabroom
If someone pushed you and you squashed someone you still squashed them even if it wasn't under your control or by your effort or your fault

letsgoooo · 08/07/2024 19:28

@Daftasabroom
She did kill them. She didn't kill them with intent or murder them but she did kill them and she will no doubt suffer forever for it.

I think you are attributing killing with guilt and they aren't the same thing k

Daftasabroom · 08/07/2024 19:27

ThePerkyDuck · 08/07/2024 19:18

By driving into them? You can loose control of a car in different ways, having a seizure or for e.g looking into a phone. In both cases you kill people, it’s just in the first instance it’s an unforeseen accident and in the second instance it’s dangerous driving.

If she was not conscious she cannot have been driving the vehicle, tragically they died because she wasn't, or, because she stopped driving the vehicle.

ThePerkyDuck · 08/07/2024 19:18

Daftasabroom · 08/07/2024 18:58

@SouthernFashionista @MaturingCheeseball how did she kill them?

By driving into them? You can loose control of a car in different ways, having a seizure or for e.g looking into a phone. In both cases you kill people, it’s just in the first instance it’s an unforeseen accident and in the second instance it’s dangerous driving.

IAlwaysTellTheTruthEvenWhenILie · 08/07/2024 19:13

Agree with you. I get the parents are grieving but going for this woman is not the answer. It was just a horrible unfortunate accident

Daftasabroom · 08/07/2024 18:58

@SouthernFashionista @MaturingCheeseball how did she kill them?