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To actually feel sorry for the woman driving the car in the Wimbledon car accident

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bagpuss90 · 06/07/2024 16:44

I’m sure I’ll be flamed here . I totally sympathise with the bereaved parents- I can’t stress that enough. I can understand them wanting justice . As we know the driver of the car suffered an epileptic seizure at the wheel - she had no history of epilepsy. I don’t see what she could have done differently. She has to live with what she did although it wasn’t her fault. AIBU to feel quite sorry for her ?

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Marinade · 07/07/2024 01:48

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Such a heartless, inhumane and disgusting comment. Shame on you to reducing those parents' grief in the way you chose to.

Bluebirdover · 07/07/2024 01:43

This thread is in extremely bad taste.

Far too ghoulish.

lemmein · 07/07/2024 01:39

Alas you are speculating here as well. I am not sure why you are comparing this horrible case with Eastenders? That’s quite tasteless.

@ThePerkyDuck yep, I'm the one being 'tasteless'.....classic!

Anyway, I'll bow out and leave you all to pick over the bones of old blog posts and discuss whether the woman has had the audacity to smile in the last 12 months 🙄

maudelovesharold · 07/07/2024 01:31

Why are people so determined to see this as anything but a tragic accident? I don't understand.

Nobody’s determined to see this as anything other than what it is. The families are not happy with the way the case has been dealt with and, as a result of their very public disquiet, it’s now being re-examined. Good. I hope the families get the answers they need.

ThePerkyDuck · 07/07/2024 01:25

lemmein · 07/07/2024 01:09

Are you ok? You don’t have to insult people for expressing their opinion. Nobody insulted you for your opinion. Parents and witnesses at school expressed their doubts so naturally people will be worried.

@ThePerkyDuck this isn't a story on Eastenders you're all speculating about. Making completely unfounded allegations of recreational drug use about a driver who suffered a medical episode which resulted in the death of 2 small children is low, even for MN!

Alas you are speculating here as well. I am not sure why you are comparing this horrible case with Eastenders? That’s quite tasteless.

Also one person mentioned about the drug use. You insulted everyone here.

lemmein · 07/07/2024 01:16

oakleaffy · 07/07/2024 00:20

How jolly convenient that the driver ''has no memory at all'' of the deaths.
She's ''sorry''.
So that's alright then.

Both past and current head teachers aren't happy with how the case was handled.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/article/2024/jul/04/met-police-review-investigation-car-crash-wimbledon-school#:~:text=According%20to%20the%20force%2C%20the,on%206%20July%20last%20year.

You don't have any recollection of events that occur during a seizure because you're unconscious! 🙄

lemmein · 07/07/2024 01:09

Are you ok? You don’t have to insult people for expressing their opinion. Nobody insulted you for your opinion. Parents and witnesses at school expressed their doubts so naturally people will be worried.

@ThePerkyDuck this isn't a story on Eastenders you're all speculating about. Making completely unfounded allegations of recreational drug use about a driver who suffered a medical episode which resulted in the death of 2 small children is low, even for MN!

DeeCeeCherry · 07/07/2024 01:05

Ghoulish to want a thread full of sympathy for the driver. It's a horrible situation all round for all involved. Bereavement and trauma. It's not all about you centering yourself.

CharlotteBog · 07/07/2024 00:30

I can understand them wanting justice

The bereaved parents do have justice. The driver of the car has been investigated and found not to have been at fault.

ahagiraffe · 07/07/2024 00:26

I strongly suspect there's more to this than what is in the public domain, and that the teachers can't say too much at this stage for legal reasons. I knew someone who was killed in an accident. The business owner caused the death but even though there was a witness, the investigation concluded there wasn't enough evidence. Clueless idiots flooded social media with post after post feeling sorry for the business owner (who talked about how distressing it had been to be under investigation) when if they'd heard that witnesses account, they'd have had quite a different view. Money and power enable people to escape consequences every day.

TattiePants · 07/07/2024 00:19

HungryLittleCrocodile · 07/07/2024 00:02

Why do you think some people are not comfortable and happy accepting the verdict/the woman having a seizure/her 'getting away with it?' Must be a reason for this. Why is there so much suspicion about her?

I can't put my finger on it, but something isn't sitting right with me about it all.

The public know a tiny fraction of the evidence in this investigation so ‘something not sitting right’ is irrelevant.

It doesn’t help that numerous posters are just making up their own ‘facts’ based on their own predjudices and I’m sure that’s also the case in real life. So far we’ve had she doesn’t care because she hasn’t said sorry, is swanning around Wimbledon instead of locking herself up at home, is selling 4x4 cars and has given an interview to an interior design magazine. Her wealthy ‘lawyer’ husband has either scared off the police or bought off the medical profession, police & CPS. Oh and despite her wealth and apparent access to the best doctors money can buy, she’s had previous seizures and ignored them. I’m sure there’s more that I’ve missed.

oakleaffy · 07/07/2024 00:16

triangleatthetop · 06/07/2024 16:57

It could happen to any of us. Of course I feel sorry for her, any decent person would. The only people who don't are conspiracy nutters and revenge driven simpletons who think if a bad thing happens someone must pay for it.

Like the Head teacher of the School where these killings happened?

The Head also wasn't happy with how it was handled.

Can only be a good thing that the case is looked into again.

RaspberryIce · 07/07/2024 00:15

HungryLittleCrocodile · 07/07/2024 00:02

Why do you think some people are not comfortable and happy accepting the verdict/the woman having a seizure/her 'getting away with it?' Must be a reason for this. Why is there so much suspicion about her?

I can't put my finger on it, but something isn't sitting right with me about it all.

Lock her up and throw away the key then if you can't put my finger on it, but something isn't sitting right with you about it all.

ThePerkyDuck · 07/07/2024 00:13

lemmein · 07/07/2024 00:00

Not necessarily - They would have if she was someone from the local Council Estate, but a more ''middle class'' person can get away with more. Police can be biased.

I think some of you should be tested for recreational substances!

Not everything is a conspiracy. Sometimes really, really terrible things happen and no-one is to blame.

Are you ok? You don’t have to insult people for expressing their opinion. Nobody insulted you for your opinion. Parents and witnesses at school expressed their doubts so naturally people will be worried.

HungryLittleCrocodile · 07/07/2024 00:02

lemmein · 06/07/2024 23:49

And she might be telling the truth?

Why are people so determined to see this as anything but a tragic accident? I don't understand.

Why do you think some people are not comfortable and happy accepting the verdict/the woman having a seizure/her 'getting away with it?' Must be a reason for this. Why is there so much suspicion about her?

I can't put my finger on it, but something isn't sitting right with me about it all.

lemmein · 07/07/2024 00:00

Not necessarily - They would have if she was someone from the local Council Estate, but a more ''middle class'' person can get away with more. Police can be biased.

I think some of you should be tested for recreational substances!

Not everything is a conspiracy. Sometimes really, really terrible things happen and no-one is to blame.

oakleaffy · 06/07/2024 23:56

lemmein · 06/07/2024 23:31

I hope they test her for ''recreational substances'', too. They can bring on seizures.

You don't think they've done that already? 🙃

Not necessarily - They would have if she was someone from the local Council Estate, but a more ''middle class'' person can get away with more. Police can be biased.

itsjustGin · 06/07/2024 23:54

Podcast84 · 06/07/2024 23:46

She could have had a seizure at home and just never reported it. Everyone is going by her word that she has never had a seizure.

You don't just have random seizures at home and not seek medical help.
Seizures are terrifying, disorientating, often result in other injuries and sometimes result in death.

Not getting medical help after a first seizure would be akin to someone going blind and just shrugging it off and not seeing the doctor about it.

I had a seizure when i was 33. It is the only one i've ever had, thankfully i was not behind the wheel. It resulted in 3 days in hospital and The discovery that my vitamin B12 levels were so low they were in mu boots and causing neurological issues including this seizure.
Course of B12 injections and a treatment plan going forward and im fine now. Haven't had another and its been 6 years now.

lemmein · 06/07/2024 23:49

Podcast84 · 06/07/2024 23:46

She could have had a seizure at home and just never reported it. Everyone is going by her word that she has never had a seizure.

And she might be telling the truth?

Why are people so determined to see this as anything but a tragic accident? I don't understand.

wayfairer · 06/07/2024 23:48

TennisLady · 06/07/2024 18:56

@BobbyBiscuits is a “strong enough punishment” not having to live the rest of your life knowing you unwillingly killed 2 children? I think most would struggle with that.

She doesn't have to live with it. She claims she doesn't remember. How can you feel sad or guilt of you don't think or remember doing anything awful? For those claiming we should just accept what the police cps say well all I can think is you just not ever have had to deal with the pencil pushers and corrupt ones! Must have had your eyes shut for the last 10 years too! The amount of corruption/ double standards and immoral brush under the carpet or drag it out till the fervour dies down that happens in the UK is a joke. Be grateful if you've not had to deal with it.

iamtheblcksheep · 06/07/2024 23:47

Podcast84 · 06/07/2024 23:46

She could have had a seizure at home and just never reported it. Everyone is going by her word that she has never had a seizure.

Don’t be ridiculous

CreateUserNames · 06/07/2024 23:47

LolaLouise · 06/07/2024 20:41

Speaking as an A&E nurse, if she was immediately taken to hospital, there is a blood test that shows a seizure has happened. Its a very common, easy, diagnostic test and shows whether it was a "functional" or non-epileptic seizure - which can appear very much like an epileptic seizure, or an actual seizure that needs acting upon, which isn't always epileptic either. But it can be used to diagnose a seizure has occurred. That medical testing would have been given to investigators, as it would be on her records. Without knowing the ins and outs of this particular person, or their medical history, i would hazard a guess, that the testing showed an actual seizure had occurred in the time leading up to the accident. Therefore, provable, and would not lead to any kind of charges or conviction.

Hopefully the evidences will be shared with the families and others have been impacted.

Podcast84 · 06/07/2024 23:46

She could have had a seizure at home and just never reported it. Everyone is going by her word that she has never had a seizure.

HungryLittleCrocodile · 06/07/2024 23:33

PossumintheHouse · 06/07/2024 22:33

There is a massive difference between a prolonged and calculated incident of harassment and an unexpected epileptic fit.

Did you actually even read my post properly? My point is that people will do - and say - ANYthing to try to avoid a jail term. A previous poster said that some people are self serving, and will lie to protect themselves rather than face justice, (when some people had suggested that this woman may have lied to get herself off this charge of death by dangerous driving.)

And I said 'of course they will. MOST people will try anything to get out of a jail term. Then I mentioned this woman who lied and laid on depression etc to avoid a prison sentence. So the massive difference between the 2 things happening is irrelevant, as that's not what I was on about.