To actually feel sorry for the woman driving the car in the Wimbledon car accident

Yes, I feel I’m getting upset with posters who just have an agenda. No ordinary parent would belittle this situation and why defend the driver so personally and vigorously? I find the driver and who/what she is of little importance. That’s not the point. The point is feeling distressed for the victims, which the loudest voices on this thread clearly want to sneer at and shut down.

I'm happy to give you more examples from my experience, but they are all versions of the same.

Yes, I feel I’m getting upset with posters who just have an agenda. No ordinary parent would belittle this situation and why defend the driver so personally and vigorously? I find the driver and who/what she is of little importance. That’s not the point. The point is feeling distressed for the victims, which the loudest voices on this thread clearly want to sneer at and shut down.

It's what I said this morning just after 9:

I don't know what happened. Neither do you. But I don't think sudden onset fit and memory loss is the only possible explanation. If I was a parent to one of these girls I would push to see and examine every last scrap of evidence.

I don't think a sudden onset fit and memory loss is the only possible explanation.

It is if the medical evidence shows that was what happened. There was no evidence of the brake being applied, even after she crashed through the fence and was headed for the building. Crash investigators advised that in these circumstances this is consistent with loss of consciousness due to medical emergency. The inquest will reveal whether the medical evidence supports this. If you think a seizure is not the only possible explanation perhaps you’d like to enlighten us all as to what you think happened ?

So you asked one parent who was a friend and it was casual conversation. Not really what you made out in the post then? Not several parents looking at you blankly?

Everything in your posts was irrelevant to this particular individual case.

Re her selling the cars / her job - see what I replied above. If this happens to be an unfortunately woman with the same name, I'll amend my post accordingly.

"Why on earth do you believe anyone should answer your question about what driving courses they have done? It’s beyond arrogant to believer you should be able to randomly go up to someone and question them and have them answer you."

The context wasn't me marching over to grill them, it was Ms New Owner, who is a friend of mine, coming over to a group of us and laughing about how she was five minutes late because she needed to park further away so she could fit the car into a bay. I sympathised with her and explained that I'd done x or y course back home to get a handle on the car and asked whether she'd seen the equivalent that they do up in Hertfordshire. And the conversation went from there.

So, as I asked upthread, what is your alternative explanation that accounts for the known evidence (she had no alcohol or drugs in her blood, the car would have been checked and its sensor data recorded, she made no attempt to brake or swerve even after mounting the pavement and crashing through a fence)? Don’t just hint at us, tell us what you think those other possible explanations are.

How is any of what you’ve posted relevant to this case ? There’s no evidence she was a bad driver or couldn’t handle the car, and the fact that others may have a problem with them is irrelevant. The size or model of the car is irrelevant as is her reason for owning/driving it. The nature of the accident makes it likely that most other cars would have caused the same outcome - there was no attempt to brake, so in effect it was a runaway vehicle. If there is solid medical evidence to support the fact that she had a seizure then it will come out at the inquest. Why not just wait until then instead of hijacking a tragic incident to serve your own agenda ?

It's what I said this morning just after 9:

I don't know what happened. Neither do you. But I don't think sudden onset fit and memory loss is the only possible explanation. If I was a parent to one of these girls I would push to see and examine every last scrap of evidence.

I don't think a sudden onset fit and memory loss is the only possible explanation.

It's what I said this morning just after 9:

I don't know what happened. Neither do you. But I don't think sudden onset fit and memory loss is the only possible explanation. If I was a parent to one of these girls I would push to see and examine every last scrap of evidence.

I don't think a sudden onset fit and memory loss is the only possible explanation.

She doesn’t sell range rovers for a living. That’s yet another stupid piece of misinformation floating around. Shame on those repeating it.

I looked on LinkedIn this morning, and there’s a woman with the same name and appearance noted as such. Also recent trade industry rags interviewing her. I will happily edit my post if this is not correct info, but it seems to be.

How is any of what you’ve posted relevant to this case ? There’s no evidence she was a bad driver or couldn’t handle the car, and the fact that others may have a problem with them is irrelevant. The size or model of the car is irrelevant as is her reason for owning/driving it. The nature of the accident makes it likely that most other cars would have caused the same outcome - there was no attempt to brake, so in effect it was a runaway vehicle. If there is solid medical evidence to support the fact that she had a seizure then it will come out at the inquest. Why not just wait until then instead of hijacking a tragic incident to serve your own agenda ?

Re her selling the cars / her job - see what I replied above. If this happens to be an unfortunately woman with the same name, I'll amend my post accordingly.

"Why on earth do you believe anyone should answer your question about what driving courses they have done? It’s beyond arrogant to believer you should be able to randomly go up to someone and question them and have them answer you."

The context wasn't me marching over to grill them, it was Ms New Owner, who is a friend of mine, coming over to a group of us and laughing about how she was five minutes late because she needed to park further away so she could fit the car into a bay. I sympathised with her and explained that I'd done x or y course back home to get a handle on the car and asked whether she'd seen the equivalent that they do up in Hertfordshire. And the conversation went from there.

@ShouldhavebeencalledAppollo - “childish” for saying that I would feel vengeful if I saw the person who killed my child driving again? Of course I’d do nothing but I would be beyond livid.

I think it is morally dubious to sound so callous. I have no involvement with this case or similar. Some of the posters on here are extremely biased and do seem cruel in their c’est la vie position.

So she has responsibility because of the car, that’s legal in this country, she drove. That accounts for making up ridiculous fantasies?

Despite the fact there’s no proof the outcome would have been better or worse if it was a smaller car. A smaller car could have flipped and it have been ever worse.

Why on earth do you believe anyone should answer your question about what driving courses they have done? It’s beyond arrogant to believer you should be able to randomly go up to someone and question them and have them answer you.

and you add in some ridiculous information about her selling these cars, which actually isn’t true. But also irrelevant. What brands of cars have you had, sold one or travelled in. I assume you refuse to travel in a car if the another car of the same brand has been involved a fatal accident?

Who said we 100% know what happened? We know the results of the investigation. At the moment the inquest hasn’t happened. As it stands that is the outcome. All the other explanations are made up purely based on someone’s, unfounded opinion. Which isn’t the basis of the law.

Everything else is just made up nonsense, like her selling the car she drives. Completely made up. How is that helpful? If you have to make things up to argue your point, you don’t have one.

@ShouldhavebeencalledAppollo - “childish” for saying that I would feel vengeful if I saw the person who killed my child driving again? Of course I’d do nothing but I would be beyond livid.

I think it is morally dubious to sound so callous. I have no involvement with this case or similar. Some of the posters on here are extremely biased and do seem cruel in their c’est la vie position.

I have to say @ShouldhavebeencalledAppollo , my personal "hook" for this is a) having children the same age as the deceased, so thinking about how I would react in their shoes and b) I am the same sort of demographic as this woman and, to put it bluntly, in my neck of the (suburban) woods if you see a car being driven badly, stuck somewhere unable to reverse and therefore requiring another one-five cars to back up out of the way to help, taking up two parking spaces because of poor spatial awareness of the vehicle/inability to reverse out, performing an illegal maneouvre where the likely damage would be to another, smaller vehicle - it is always a Land or Range Rover. I've driven these cars in rural Zimbabwe to hitch farm loads - they are not needed or appropriate in London. Often ime the driver has an insufficiently developed ability to control the vehicle. They don't have a handle on the size of the thing, or its power. I've asked a few of the parents at my children's school who have them whether they've gone on an advanced driving course to understand better how to use it - blank looks.

And now it turns out the woman sells Range Rovers for a living, which in other less tragic circumstances would be an amusing irony.

I don't know what happened. Neither do you. But I don't think sudden onset fit and memory loss is the only possible explanation. If I was a parent to one of these girls I would push to see and examine every last scrap of evidence.

You can tell and you know exactly what I'm saying.

Justice is very different depending on cash.

The families of the victims have money as well. Which party's money are you suggesting has made a difference? I honestly can't tell. You could be saying the lack of charges is due to the driver's money, or that the families of the victims have been able to have Met investigation reviewed due to their money.