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Labour should invest in weight loss medications immediately

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HowToSaveTheNHS · 06/07/2024 11:49

AIBU to think the Labour government should seriously consider rolling out weight loss drugs to the obese population, to tackle obesity, diabetes and cut NHS waiting lists? Traditional public health measures to tackle obesity are not working.

We spend so much money treating disease associated with obesity and it’s only going to get worse as increasing numbers of people are living for decades with multiple health conditions associated with obesity. Even dementia’s leading cause is Type 2 diabetes.

Looking at the Mounjaro thread on here, huge numbers of Mumsnetters are successfully losing weight and improving their health. But people on lower incomes won’t have access because the drugs are expensive.

A course of drugs for a year will surely be money well spent if we can reduce heart disease/ diabetes/ dementia/ cancer etc… even hypertension.

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TrustPenguins · 06/07/2024 20:20

The massive increase in obesity is mainly down to the environment we live in. We need to ban junk food advertising, label upfs better, tax unhealthy food (like the sugar tax) etc.

LadyKenya · 06/07/2024 20:13

@Ereyraa It has been proven that fatshaming does not work. It is not going to help anybody. I honestly think that the situation is so entrenched that it would take a long time to reverse the whole problem. The Government could start by tackling the food companies that have been allowed to poison people with all these UPF's etc.

maddiemookins16mum · 06/07/2024 20:11

No (and I say that as an overweight person).
For the majority of us fatties, we need to eat less and move more, it’s not rocket salad.
Fruit and veg is perfectly cheap enough.
I’m fat because I spend too much time sitting on my arse.
There are far more important things for the money to be spent on.

MounjaroUser · 06/07/2024 20:09

Ponderingwindow · 06/07/2024 19:39

There is not enough supply. Not even everyone willing and able to pay privately can currently get access to the weight loss drugs. The manufacturers can’t keep up with demand.

the government could put in an order for millions of doses, but it would be meaningless.

That's not true. There's not a supply problem for those paying for it.

Porridgeislife · 06/07/2024 20:09

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So she needs to persist permanently on a starvation diet - as that is truly the only way she doesn’t gain weight? Jog on.

Metabolic issues are very real. She is intelligent and motivated. She works so bloody hard to stand still.

Having grown up with her I assure you we all ate the same very healthy diet (our mother is a healthcare professional). Do you really think a toddler is in control of their food choices?

EnglishBluebell · 06/07/2024 20:07

@Ereyraa How dare you??? My weight gain is due to being prescribed Steroids due to a life limiting disease.

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Ereyraa · 06/07/2024 20:05

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EnglishBluebell · 06/07/2024 20:04

HowToSaveTheNHS · 06/07/2024 11:49

AIBU to think the Labour government should seriously consider rolling out weight loss drugs to the obese population, to tackle obesity, diabetes and cut NHS waiting lists? Traditional public health measures to tackle obesity are not working.

We spend so much money treating disease associated with obesity and it’s only going to get worse as increasing numbers of people are living for decades with multiple health conditions associated with obesity. Even dementia’s leading cause is Type 2 diabetes.

Looking at the Mounjaro thread on here, huge numbers of Mumsnetters are successfully losing weight and improving their health. But people on lower incomes won’t have access because the drugs are expensive.

A course of drugs for a year will surely be money well spent if we can reduce heart disease/ diabetes/ dementia/ cancer etc… even hypertension.

dementia’s leading cause is Type 2 diabetes.

Incorrect. See attached

Labour should invest in weight loss medications immediately
StickItInTheFamilyAlbum · 06/07/2024 20:02

GETTINGLIKEMYMOTHER · 06/07/2024 20:00

According to some expert in today’s Times, people should be put on the drug only if they agree to follow a healthy diet, and don’t just carry on eating junk, but less of it.

Tim Spector?

And if only there were fixed agreement (beyond Zoe which is Spector's conflict of interest) on what constitutes a healthy diet (different people, life stages, cultural preferences). And if only there were some indication that people who are obese developed obesity because of their consumption of "junk"…

GETTINGLIKEMYMOTHER · 06/07/2024 20:00

According to some expert in today’s Times, people should be put on the drug only if they agree to follow a healthy diet, and don’t just carry on eating junk, but less of it.

Porridgeislife · 06/07/2024 20:00

Ereyraa · 06/07/2024 19:31

Why does ‘everyone’ have to pay for a problem that ‘we will all’ be better off under, when it’s caused by a very select few?

Imagine not being embarrassed that other people have to fund your inability to not stuff things in your gob

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Well, it’s not a few. It’s 1 in 3 adults.

I think the NHS should prescribe Wegovy to anyone with an obese BMI. I have watched my sister struggle and struggle to control her weight. Genes play a huge role - two female siblings were comfortably BMI <20 and hers was well over 30. Growing up she clearly had so much more food “noise” than us, she was obese from toddlerhood with the same parents, same meals and same upbringing.

The playing field is NOT level when it comes to losing weight. We don’t tell people with mental health to go without the medication that makes their brains work properly; we don’t tell arthritis sufferers to suck it up and deny themselves painkillers and steroids. The science IS catching up and it’s simply really really hard for a portion of the population to maintain a steady normal BMI.

LadyKenya · 06/07/2024 19:55

Biggleslefae · 06/07/2024 19:45

Yes, if excess body fat was a simple problem do deal then it wouldn't affect such a large proportion of the population.
Animals are programmed by evolution to eat as much food as is available to them, combine that with modern foods which are designed to be as compelling and additive as possible. That's why so many people struggle.

I absolutely believe that the vast array of ready meals, UPF's, and takeaways, that people do not even need to leave their home for, are at the heart of what we are seeing today. Food is too readily available, and the quality of it is highly questionable. It is full of chemicals, additives, and other unpronounceable things. People need to be educated, this is a national problem, and needs to be treated as a Governmental health crisis.

BeretRaspberry · 06/07/2024 19:53

Ereyraa · 06/07/2024 19:43

They treat you with dignity to your face…

if a massively obese person has a heart attack, it’s clear what the issue is

Even IF it was the obesity that caused the heart attack (because thin people have them so how are we to know)..that doesn’t mean that you know the fat person’s story.

Movinghouseatlast · 06/07/2024 19:52

HowIrresponsible · 06/07/2024 19:35

I don't know how I'd eat enough to make myself that size in the first place.

It was a choice to do it.

I don't want tax payers money spent on this and nor do most people.

Really? You don't know how you'd eat that much? What do you think people are eating to put on weight?

If you put on 1lb a week ( which is 3500 calories over what you need, 500 calories a day, in my case that's eating 1900 calories a day) you would gain 52 lbs in a year. It's easily done actually.

HebburnPokemon · 06/07/2024 19:49

Ereyraa · 06/07/2024 19:36

Again, why are people not embarrassed about this?

This is the issue with the NHS; free at the point of use means people have no incentive to have self-accountability

A non-free system hasn’t really helped with obesity in the USA has it 🙄

HebburnPokemon · 06/07/2024 19:47

Regulating UPF would be much more effective and sustainable

Biggleslefae · 06/07/2024 19:45

LadyKenya · 06/07/2024 19:37

It is not just a very select few, though is it? If it was then there would not be all this discussion about it.

Yes, if excess body fat was a simple problem do deal then it wouldn't affect such a large proportion of the population.
Animals are programmed by evolution to eat as much food as is available to them, combine that with modern foods which are designed to be as compelling and additive as possible. That's why so many people struggle.

StickItInTheFamilyAlbum · 06/07/2024 19:44

HowIrresponsible · 06/07/2024 19:19

Yup!

It is not difficult to stay a healthy weight contrary to this thread.

Depending on what you mean by "a healthy weight," (obesity vs overweight) it's something that is proving difficult and elusive to between 26-50+ % of the adult population. The consequences of this cover a substantial range for individuals and more widely.

Ereyraa · 06/07/2024 19:43

HowToSaveTheNHS · 06/07/2024 19:40

Wow. I really hope you don’t work in healthcare. Those of us that do, clearly have more compassion than you. It doesn’t matter if someone has injured themselves on purpose- no questions asked you are treated and cared for with dignity in this country. Thank goodness.

They treat you with dignity to your face…

if a massively obese person has a heart attack, it’s clear what the issue is

BeretRaspberry · 06/07/2024 19:43

HowIrresponsible · 06/07/2024 19:19

Yup!

It is not difficult to stay a healthy weight contrary to this thread.

It IS difficult to maintain weight loss contrary to this thread. Evolution and science says so.

ByCupidStunt · 06/07/2024 19:42

Ponderingwindow · 06/07/2024 19:39

There is not enough supply. Not even everyone willing and able to pay privately can currently get access to the weight loss drugs. The manufacturers can’t keep up with demand.

the government could put in an order for millions of doses, but it would be meaningless.

Are there still supply issues? I knew that there was last year but thought that had ended now.

And supply will catch up eventually anyway. they are selling a product that the world wants lots more of. they will do everything they can to supply this.

BeretRaspberry · 06/07/2024 19:41

Startingagainandagain · 06/07/2024 19:16

'@BeretRaspberry
Oh look, the latest fat bashing thread.'

It really is not 'fat bashing' to point out that for many people the solution to losing weight is better diet and exercise and less alcohol.

It is just basic facts...

This is also the advice you would receive from a GP or dietitian.

Fo some of course it will be more complex where there are psychological issues or the weight is a side effect from a health condition/medication.

But for many it really is down to lifestyle and only the individual can decide to take steps to improve that.

So what is the point of ALL the threads saying the same thing over and over and over again?

Blackcats7 · 06/07/2024 19:41

All the usual comments. So many wanting to blame and punish, thinking people are lazy, stupid and disgusting. A lot of othering.
Fat people pay taxes too.
For many people who are very heavy overeating is actually not just a choice it a a problem they cannot conquer. Nobody chooses to be very overweight with all the shame that is given to it. It is entirely possible to want something very much but to have complex reasons which stop you achieving what you want.
Many people make what some are describing as lifestyle choices which can then cause illness or injury necessitating nhs care. People who drive too fast. People who take part in sports especially high risk sports. People who go exploring. People who have unsafe sex. People who have very high numbers of babies. People who sunbathe or use sunbeds. People who have cheap cosmetic surgery. People who don’t follow advice to manage their chronic health condition. Where does judgement end? And why is there sympathy for anorexia and bulimia but not for those who cannot control their eating to a degree their weight seriously impacts their health? I don’t mean just those who are a little overweight but people whose entire life is being ruined by their inability to manage their eating. Why is that worse than under eating?
Fat is always the favourite whipping boy.
As science gains more information on the causes of serious over eating and severe weight gain more help will hopefully become available but much of society is very angry that those they see as disgusting get any help at all.

HowToSaveTheNHS · 06/07/2024 19:40

Ereyraa · 06/07/2024 19:38

Yes, embarrassed if your heart attack is caused by your obesity.

Not sure why you think this is shocking.

Wow. I really hope you don’t work in healthcare. Those of us that do, clearly have more compassion than you. It doesn’t matter if someone has injured themselves on purpose- no questions asked you are treated and cared for with dignity in this country. Thank goodness.

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Ponderingwindow · 06/07/2024 19:39

There is not enough supply. Not even everyone willing and able to pay privately can currently get access to the weight loss drugs. The manufacturers can’t keep up with demand.

the government could put in an order for millions of doses, but it would be meaningless.