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To ask guest to leave for smoking in the bedroom?

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FgsMary · 06/07/2024 09:43

A friend has been staying. She lives abroad but is over here on holiday for 3 weeks. Day 1, she smoked in the kitchen. I told her no smoking at all in the house. She pulled a face but from then on, smoked in the garden. I then became aware that she was sneakily smoking in the bedroom at night (blowing it out of window). She is a very tricky person anyway. Very aggressive, confrontational, awkward, selfish, bullying at the best of times but I'd bit my lip for a week and it had mainly been OK. I asked her if she'd been smoking in the bedroom. She said no but then later text me to say that she had and she was sorry. I told her she should find somewhere else to stay and she left that day. I feel dreadful though and I should probably have just said again not to smoke inside but not asked her to leave. She's now playing the victim and acting like I'm the bad guy. Was I out of order? I have said she's welcome to come back and I've seen her since but she's said no to coming back and she's sleeping on a relatives floor instead.

OP posts:
WhisperGold · 06/07/2024 12:18

FgsMary · 06/07/2024 11:57

I'm a people pleaser. I just want peace and no drama. I was in a long term abusive relationship that did a lot of damage to me. I'm not a doormat though or at least I certainly don't think of myself as one. I understandably just wanted the 3 weeks to be lovely for everyone.

You chucked her out. That was ballsy. Well done!

crockofshite · 06/07/2024 12:17

FgsMary · 06/07/2024 10:50

To everyone commenting on why I'm friends with her....She's not a friend friend. I don't see her, she lives abroad. I've never visited her. I don't like her lifestyle or country she lives in. We occasionally talk on the phone and she can be very supportive and lovely. She's not someone I'd hang out with (and vice versa) but she is like family and her parents are very important to me. It was a favour to her and her family that really meant something to everyone. We all thought she might have mellowed with age but she's worse than ever really. It has all caused a lot of upset all round. Yes, it's her behaviour that's the cause of it all (not just the smoking) and she's upset everyone but I feel dreadful that I've made it all worse. She feels adrift in life and not welcomed anywhere and I don't want anyone to feel like that. She's most certainly not a dreadful person. Just a challenging complex one.

Well you tried your best, so you shouldn't feel guilty for anything.

I knew someone like this, unfortunately they died young, but when alive made everyone's life difficult including their own.

You can't help them, they can't help themselves, it's lose/lose.

Maybe you could take one of the parents house guests as a swap so the friend isn't on the floor. You might find the other houseguest is glad to get away from the tornado of shit.

jellybe · 06/07/2024 12:17

Not the bad guy. You made it clear that you are smoke free house and she didn't respect that. I would have asked her to leave too.

FgsMary · 06/07/2024 12:12

OhDearMuriel · 06/07/2024 12:00

Yanbu
She's really out of order and disrespectful.

Be thankful she has gone and do not allow her back.

Let her relatives find out how bad mannered and disrespectful she is.

Sadly, they know all too well and were expecting the worse but hoping for the best.

OP posts:
PinkyFlamingo · 06/07/2024 12:11

FgsMary · 06/07/2024 10:04

I know. She has form (lots of it) for bad behaviour but this was an important once in a lifetime trip for her and her family and friends/family step up to help in situations like this. We were all acutely aware that it could go wrong. I just feel so wretched and should have just buttoned my lip for 3 weeks.

Why should you have "buttoned your lip"? That's how these awful people get away with awful behaviour

crockofshite · 06/07/2024 12:08

Fimofriend · 06/07/2024 09:49

Don't let her stay again. She was being rude, selfish and immature

And breathtakingly arrogant, entitled, ignorant, disrespectful, a liar, and an all round shit non-friend .

sleekcat · 06/07/2024 12:06

You were right It wasn't just the smoking, it was the disregard for your feelings on the matter after you had already told her you didn't want smoking in your house. Considering most people don't want that and that you can't smoke inside any indoors public space then it should have been obvious to her that her actions were unacceptable.

Codlingmoths · 06/07/2024 12:05

FgsMary · 06/07/2024 11:57

I'm a people pleaser. I just want peace and no drama. I was in a long term abusive relationship that did a lot of damage to me. I'm not a doormat though or at least I certainly don't think of myself as one. I understandably just wanted the 3 weeks to be lovely for everyone.

And now you can have the rest of the 3 weeks back! Instead of being miserable. She broke a major household rule several times, asking her to leave is the minimum response.

VoteHappy · 06/07/2024 12:03

Halfheadhighlights · 06/07/2024 09:50

Why are you friends with this Very aggressive, confrontational, awkward, selfish, bullying person?

You were right to have her leave

This

You set a boundary, she broke it and felt the consequences ( had to leave)
Why are you allowing her to guilt trip you?

Just ignore her
She sounds awful and not a friend

LookItsMeAgain · 06/07/2024 12:02

You told her no smoking in the house. She was in the house when she was smoking. She knew your rules and she broke them.

She isn't a victim here. She knew what she was doing.

VotesAndGoats · 06/07/2024 12:01

Ginkypig · 06/07/2024 11:51

Really this whole thread should be about you working on your mindset rather than this situation with your friend your guilt is misplaced

all you should be feeling is I set perfectly reasonable boundaries and enforced them. It doesn’t feel nice I had to and I do feel for the person I had to do it to (because I’m a human who cares) but it was perfectly ok to do that.

You feel awful because she won’t take any responsibility for her side of things she is making out like you are being unfair and emotionally trying to guilt you.

you did nothing wrong.
You tried to put a boundary in place that she then tried to break to get her own way (as she seems to do with everything that isn’t her own way) then lie about because she knows she was wrong.
in response you didn’t allow her to break or lie about it so you enforced a consequence.
instead of putting her hands up and going ok I got caught I’m sorry can we start again she kicked off and turned it around on you.

i see you don’t want to cut her out @FgsMary and that’s ok it’s your choice but then you have to put things in place to make it as ok as you can to be in your little and this is a great example of that.

you have certain hard limitations
if she crosses them then you enforce some type of protection to show she has crossed a line that you won’t put up with.
she won’t be happy but every time will learn how far she can push and won’t do it again (or will but will know there will be repercussions)
you won’t be happy enforcing it but you will feel ok about not allowing yourself to be squashed under her behaviour.

eventually she will still be difficult to be around but probably won’t try as hard to get her own way (like she knows she can’t get away with smoking at parents house) and you will feel better about yourself and friendship

you will feel safer knowing you can and will be strong enough to be around her and put your needs into the situation and hopefully seeing her won’t be as full of drama.

Edited

This is all valid but in reality what happens is people don't learn and they adopt a victim mentality. At best they may accept I got that wrong and my friend doesn't want to be friends with me.

They don't actually do the work of change until they look at themselves with a degree of compassion. They need to work on themselves.

Mrsjayy · 06/07/2024 12:01

FgsMary · 06/07/2024 11:57

I'm a people pleaser. I just want peace and no drama. I was in a long term abusive relationship that did a lot of damage to me. I'm not a doormat though or at least I certainly don't think of myself as one. I understandably just wanted the 3 weeks to be lovely for everyone.

Well she ruined it, this is on her not you. She could have gone into the garden at night she chose not to, and faced consequences.

Scorchio84 · 06/07/2024 12:00

Jaysus even apart fiom the smoking she sounds like a nightmare, she doesn't sound like a friend to me, don't worry about it, she was told your very basic "house rule" & broke it

OhDearMuriel · 06/07/2024 12:00

Yanbu
She's really out of order and disrespectful.

Be thankful she has gone and do not allow her back.

Let her relatives find out how bad mannered and disrespectful she is.

TonTonMacoute · 06/07/2024 11:58

Sounds like you've gone above and beyond OP.

Whatever people's life problems there's no excuse to be rude, agressive and unpleasant to people who are helping you.

IncompleteSenten · 06/07/2024 11:58

She could have chosen to smoke outside but she'd rather sulk.
She's most likely sleeping on the floor in a house where she can't smoke inside and wouldn't dare to, in her mind, punish you.
I know people like this and they have a weird way of thinking.

Basically an even less self aware version of - She won't let me do what I want, she's horrible, I'm going to put myself in a worse situation and she will feel really guilty because it's all her fault. She will beg my forgiveness in the end and not be mean again and then I can always do what I want.

FgsMary · 06/07/2024 11:57

trytofly · 06/07/2024 11:53

You sound like a complete doormat. Why are you like this?

I'm a people pleaser. I just want peace and no drama. I was in a long term abusive relationship that did a lot of damage to me. I'm not a doormat though or at least I certainly don't think of myself as one. I understandably just wanted the 3 weeks to be lovely for everyone.

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Mnk711 · 06/07/2024 11:57

I don't understand why you respect yourself so little that even after she's upset you, ignored your simple request not to smoke in the house, and then refused to apologise, you're telling her she can come back. The reason people behave like this is because no one has stood up to them like they should have, they just keep enabling and enabling the bad behaviour. Instead don't speak to her any more and don't listen to anyone that tries to tell you to support her. Adults make their own choices about how to behave. She's chosen her way - to be rude and selfish. It's on you that you keep letting her behave like this. Well done for throwing her out, never let anyone across your doorstep again who doesn't respect you abd your home.

MumblesParty · 06/07/2024 11:54

YANBU. Don’t feet guilty OP. Trying changing “smoking” to “doing a poo on the floor”. Then you won’t feel bad about asking her to leave.

trytofly · 06/07/2024 11:53

FgsMary · 06/07/2024 10:15

I know, I know. For the sake of peace sometimes though....She was being a reasonably OK houseguest apart from that. Clean and tidy etc. Using my toothpaste and toiletries mind but OK, whatever. I'd have felt petty if I'd said something. She's known for being a bit of a freeloader. She did buy bits of food!

You sound like a complete doormat. Why are you like this?

FarmGirl78 · 06/07/2024 11:53

But you already told her no and then gave her a second chance. How many second chances does a grown adult need with a simple request in respecting someone else's home?

Not being unreasonable.

SerafinasGoose · 06/07/2024 11:53

How can an abuse of someone's hospitality, especially when they've expressly asked you not to do something, in any way be unreasonable?

Do not grovel to her.

HurdyGurdy19 · 06/07/2024 11:51

Your friend is "Very aggressive, confrontational, awkward, selfish, bullying ".

Get better friends. She sounds awful at the best of times.

I don't think you were harsh. I would not allow anyone to smoke in my house, and would also ask someone to leave if they couldn't respect my wishes. Don't go crawling to her. She doesn't sound like she's much of a loss in terms of friendships.

Ginkypig · 06/07/2024 11:51

Really this whole thread should be about you working on your mindset rather than this situation with your friend your guilt is misplaced

all you should be feeling is I set perfectly reasonable boundaries and enforced them. It doesn’t feel nice I had to and I do feel for the person I had to do it to (because I’m a human who cares) but it was perfectly ok to do that.

You feel awful because she won’t take any responsibility for her side of things she is making out like you are being unfair and emotionally trying to guilt you.

you did nothing wrong.
You tried to put a boundary in place that she then tried to break to get her own way (as she seems to do with everything that isn’t her own way) then lie about because she knows she was wrong.
in response you didn’t allow her to break or lie about it so you enforced a consequence.
instead of putting her hands up and going ok I got caught I’m sorry can we start again she kicked off and turned it around on you.

i see you don’t want to cut her out @FgsMary and that’s ok it’s your choice but then you have to put things in place to make it as ok as you can to be in your little and this is a great example of that.

you have certain hard limitations
if she crosses them then you enforce some type of protection to show she has crossed a line that you won’t put up with.
she won’t be happy but every time will learn how far she can push and won’t do it again (or will but will know there will be repercussions)
you won’t be happy enforcing it but you will feel ok about not allowing yourself to be squashed under her behaviour.

eventually she will still be difficult to be around but probably won’t try as hard to get her own way (like she knows she can’t get away with smoking at parents house) and you will feel better about yourself and friendship

you will feel safer knowing you can and will be strong enough to be around her and put your needs into the situation and hopefully seeing her won’t be as full of drama.

CocoapuffPuff · 06/07/2024 11:50

I think she behaved terribly and dont think you were harsh at all. Your home, your rules. She disrespected your boundary, and was told to leave as a consequence.

That's all there is to it.

The guilt tripping is irrelevant beyond a sign that she doesn't respect you or your home. Who cares if someone so selfish and manipulative doesn't want to be friends? You're ALREADY NOT FRIENDS.