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To ask guest to leave for smoking in the bedroom?

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FgsMary · 06/07/2024 09:43

A friend has been staying. She lives abroad but is over here on holiday for 3 weeks. Day 1, she smoked in the kitchen. I told her no smoking at all in the house. She pulled a face but from then on, smoked in the garden. I then became aware that she was sneakily smoking in the bedroom at night (blowing it out of window). She is a very tricky person anyway. Very aggressive, confrontational, awkward, selfish, bullying at the best of times but I'd bit my lip for a week and it had mainly been OK. I asked her if she'd been smoking in the bedroom. She said no but then later text me to say that she had and she was sorry. I told her she should find somewhere else to stay and she left that day. I feel dreadful though and I should probably have just said again not to smoke inside but not asked her to leave. She's now playing the victim and acting like I'm the bad guy. Was I out of order? I have said she's welcome to come back and I've seen her since but she's said no to coming back and she's sleeping on a relatives floor instead.

OP posts:
Emily1583 · 07/07/2024 03:06

No, you laid down the house rules and she broke the rules. Your house your rules and she ignored it. Her fault.

BoxOfCats · 07/07/2024 03:02

VotesAndGoats · 06/07/2024 09:49

Interested to hear replies. My brother and my mum are like this.

I will repeatedly say close the balcony door if you smoke. They just can't do it. Every time they stand with it open and it blows back in. I just can't understand why a simple instruction cannot be followed. And why I have to repeat it. And when I do why its met with rolling eyes. Its my house. I try saying it in different ways, would you mind, don't forget etc. And I'm met with 'oh are you still doing that are you' with a negative tone. I should add too, I have a respiratory condition. I don't invite them over often.

They're not forgetting to, they just care about their own feelings more than yours.

NiceCutRoundDomeDormice · 07/07/2024 02:57

FgsMary · 06/07/2024 20:41

I didn't necessarily think I could prevent it but I was determined to turn a blind eye to her behaviour for the sake of her parents and other family who are here too (as well as for her and myself....not wanting drama).

Stop making excuses. She’s a grown woman. You don’t need to pacify her parents - they are no longer responsible for her behaviour.

This woman is cheap scum. Tell her to bugger off.

OonaStubbs · 06/07/2024 23:23

Why was she your friend in the first place?

Maray1967 · 06/07/2024 23:16

graceinspace999 · 06/07/2024 10:37

Alcohol is destructive in so many ways - too many to list here but a few googled moments will show you.

A bit of smoke blowing in on the wind through an open window or door is hardly going to do much harm unless the person has serious medical problems.

Speaking as someone whose mother died of secondary lung cancer having never smoked but having spent hours in smoke filled staff rooms I beg to differ. Smoking is disgusting and antisocial. It harms people simply by happening. Alcohol harms people when it is misused. There is no good use of cigarettes.

I turned away a carpet fitter who sat in his van smoking before starting the job - to fit a carpet in my baby’s nursery. As soon as he stood in my porch he absolutely stank of smoke. No way was I having that in my house.

seedsandseeds · 06/07/2024 21:54

You did nothing wrong.

I'd have kicked her out from the moment she smoked in the kitchen in fact.

Disgusting.

Whithersoever · 06/07/2024 21:49

BMW6 · 06/07/2024 09:48

I'm a smoker (well vapes) - YANBU as you made it perfectly clear that you didn't want any smoking in the house!

She is a rude fucker and she owes you massive apologies, but I still wouldn't let her stay again

Apart from the smoking issue she sounds bloody AWFUL

This.

What on earth? She sounds dreadful. Look at your boundaries - you are too nice.

ThinWomansBrain · 06/07/2024 20:47

tell her she needs to reimburse you for the cost of getting all the soft furnishings laundered and the carpets cleaned.

FgsMary · 06/07/2024 20:41

I didn't necessarily think I could prevent it but I was determined to turn a blind eye to her behaviour for the sake of her parents and other family who are here too (as well as for her and myself....not wanting drama).

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Overbythewaterfountain · 06/07/2024 20:31

You may have just wanted the three weeks to pass peacefully, OP, but she evidently (and, may I say, predictably, based on her previous behaviour) DIDN'T want that. You need to understand that you are not in control of this situation. You didn't cause it. This is so like AlAnon. Accept that you can't change her. This is who she is. It would have always blown up like this. Why did you think you could prevent that from happening? The only way to minimise abusive behaviour is to leave its orbit.

ALPHAFEMALESINCEBIRTH · 06/07/2024 18:59

good on you
she took the piss
i wouldn't even tolerate it in the garden
its a personal choice anyway but its also written in the tenancy
no smoking in the house, garden or 6ft from the front door

as it was a non issue i had no problem with those rules
but they do allow pets

luckily i know no one who smokes or vapes or has family that does

side note its also a alcohol free house

MounjaroUser · 06/07/2024 18:23

FGS don't say she can come back! Why would you say that?

I really feel for her parents. It doesn't sound as though she'd be there for them if they need help in the future. It sounds as though you and they have a lovely relationship and that you're very kind to them all.

FgsMary · 06/07/2024 18:16

Crumpleton · 06/07/2024 16:54

Any chance she'd pre arranged the stay but 'forgot to tell anyone beforehand of her plans?

Incredibly short notice from your DF to whoever she's gone to stay with if it was a knee jerk decision/born out of her having a strop.

Nope, definitely not in any way pre-arranged. Flights cost a fortune because they were so last minute.

OP posts:
Snausage · 06/07/2024 17:48

MsLavender · 06/07/2024 09:49

I'm a smoker and I don't think you were being unreasonable in the slightest! Many, many smokers don't smoke in their own homes, the ones I know of would never smoke in their own bedrooms nevermind someone elses.

This.

I smoke but never in my house. And smoking in someone else's home would never even cross my mind!

Crumpleton · 06/07/2024 16:54

FgsMary · 06/07/2024 12:54

She has now flown abroad for the weekend to stay with a friend who, "accepts her for who she is" and makes her feel welcome, unlike all of us apparently.

Any chance she'd pre arranged the stay but 'forgot to tell anyone beforehand of her plans?

Incredibly short notice from your DF to whoever she's gone to stay with if it was a knee jerk decision/born out of her having a strop.

Mrsjayy · 06/07/2024 15:55

BreatheAndFocus · 06/07/2024 15:37

But she ‘fled’ (ie went off in a strop!) to punish you and her family. She’ll be pleased you’re sitting at home blaming yourself. She’ll be getting a thrill from your upset and that of her parents. She’s not complex. She’s spoilt, self-centred and bullying.

What she’s hoping is that when she returns you and her parents will be all over her, apologising profusely for your non-existent crimes. She’ll be hoping to teach you a lesson.

I agree she's "fled" because she didn't get her own way so she's in her huff smoking her fags and complaining how life is unfair, she left her parents house she caused this, if her elderly parents suffer that's on her.

BreatheAndFocus · 06/07/2024 15:37

FgsMary · 06/07/2024 13:37

I feel desperately sorry for her parents. They are the loveliest people. I've known them my whole life. They are so upset about the whole sorry experience. If I hadn't chucked her out though, she'd still be here and wouldn't have bolted out of the country. Yes, it's the consequence of her own actions but she's not here for long, her parents aren't young and this is probably one of the last times they'll see her. She's coming back on Monday for her final week but time is the one thing you can't get back.

But she ‘fled’ (ie went off in a strop!) to punish you and her family. She’ll be pleased you’re sitting at home blaming yourself. She’ll be getting a thrill from your upset and that of her parents. She’s not complex. She’s spoilt, self-centred and bullying.

What she’s hoping is that when she returns you and her parents will be all over her, apologising profusely for your non-existent crimes. She’ll be hoping to teach you a lesson.

Pootle23 · 06/07/2024 15:00

Doesn’t sound much of a friend. I wouldn’t lose any sleep over it.

Janedoe82 · 06/07/2024 14:58

I would have been annoyed but wouldn’t have actually bucked her out. Maybe if she did it again but not first time I told her not to smoke in the bedroom and she did apologise.

Janedoe82 · 06/07/2024 14:56

SophieJo · 06/07/2024 10:00

Why? Her house, her rules!

I think asking her to actually leave was further than I would have gone.

SDTGisAnEvilWolefGenius · 06/07/2024 14:37

LovePoppy · 06/07/2024 13:35

How so?
she said no smoking? Visitor smoked? She asked them to leave for breaking the rules they agreed to.

I don’t think @Janedoe82 is coming back to explain herself, @LovePoppy. Too many people have told her she is wrong.

DuckbilledSplatterPuff · 06/07/2024 14:34

You've said that all her relatives know what she's like and expect her to behave badly.

She went to her parents and had to sleep on cushions Boo Double Hoo, that's hardly depravation.

Why are you feeling guilty?
Her parents are dealing with her. You tried to help but she couldn't accept the conditions of her stay, and then had to go to her parents.
This is NOT on you.
Her behaviour is what she's always like, it is NOT your responsibility. In fact I bet everyone was expecting something like this.

She's having a "Look at me.. poor victim" flounce and it's working on all of you.

Yes time is precious but she has managed to see them all for a while, even if not the full three weeks. And it is not your fault that SHE CHOSE to stay with a friend for part of those three weeks. Perhaps a full 3 weeks was too ambitious all round and her current absence means that there will be less confrontation.

Why do you feel guilt when you are not her relative and you have absolutely no control over what this "very tricky person... Very aggressive, confrontational, awkward, selfish, bullying at the best of times" adult person chooses to do?

Don't expect an apology, you won't get one. You offered your help. She took it and then you had to ask her to leave. That's on her. You've made it clear she could come back but she would rather have a little strop.
Take a giant step back. None of this is your problem. You did what you could. Let her do what she feels she has to do and let her family deal with her. She got to see everyone in the end which was the main object. Its not on you if she can't deal with people for 3 weeks.

Merryoldgoat · 06/07/2024 14:26

FgsMary · 06/07/2024 13:42

I've already explained why several times. We are very different people. She lives an alternative lifestyle, has dropped out of mainstream society, has views that are offbeat but that's OK. There's room in the world for all of us. She's more akin to family than just a friend. If there weren't strong links, we wouldn't see each other at all or even speak. We don't hate each other but she's not easy to like. Her own parents don't find it easy to like her at times.

Ah, you’re one of those.

Will complain but do absolutely nothing to actually deal with the root issue.

FgsMary · 06/07/2024 14:11

trytofly · 06/07/2024 13:43

Did she not say/text those words to you?

No, she told her mum who then told me.

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Ginkypig · 06/07/2024 13:59

VotesAndGoats · 06/07/2024 12:01

This is all valid but in reality what happens is people don't learn and they adopt a victim mentality. At best they may accept I got that wrong and my friend doesn't want to be friends with me.

They don't actually do the work of change until they look at themselves with a degree of compassion. They need to work on themselves.

Iv had more experience with these types of people than I can ever express. My post comes from years and years of experience in trying to deal with this without cutting particular people out (why is not for this thread)

She already is behaving in a victim mentality. No you are right they don’t do the work but they do learn to only push as far as they think they can get away with but not so far as they lose out. Op can’t control friends behaviour only her response to it which hopefully (not always) means friend decides to adapt so they don’t end up in the losing position.
These people (not all obviously) do have control when they feel it’s a benefit to them (in this example not getting kicked out and having to sleep on a floor so next time they probably won’t smoke indoors) but they choose not to when they think they will get away with it without consequences

but next time she probably won’t smoke in the house because she knows she can’t get away with it without a consequence she can’t wriggle out of (just like at her parents)

that works with all the behaviour's from friend. if op is a brick wall with her limits eventually the outcome will be that this friend will only do as much as they can get away with (they won’t be happy about it)or they will push so hard it destroys the friendship because they put the op in a position where they are given no choice but to end it.

either way the op can’t control how friend behaves only how much she is willing to put up with.

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