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Another mum screaming at my child?

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JC94 · 06/07/2024 00:46

Oh I desperately need an outsiders opinion please!

Daughter is 10 and in year 6. The environment between her and her friends at school has become pretty toxic in the last few months and I’ve tried so hard to advise on my side and keep the school informed - school have been great so far!

I get a call today to say my daughter, who usually doesn’t say boo to a ghost, got into a fight with another girl. This other girl has previously stolen from my daughter and slapped her a couple of months ago (toxic environment example!). I’ve only ever told my kids that physical force is only acceptable if you’re in danger and it is your only means of safety and I know my daughter wasn’t innocent in what happened today. I’m disappointed in her behaviour and there will be consequences. She could have walked away, she chose not to. By all accounts, my daughter was picked up off the floor by two boys whilst some other girls then started fighting the other girl.

My daughter leaves school by herself and comes to meet me or her dad at the car less than a 2-3 minute walk away. She has a phone to call us whilst she walks. Today, she called her dad hysterically sobbing because the mum pulled her to the side in the playground at the end of the day and screamed in her face “are you the bitch who beat up my daughter?”. Apparently there was more she said but her dad wasn’t sure of the exact wording to tell me (we’re separated) so he’s getting my daughter to write it down when she’s calmer. My daughter is now anxiety riddled and petrified to go to school on Monday. She suffered with anxiety during Covid and we worked with the Children’s Mental Health service to try and get back on track.

I’ve notified the school who have asked my daughter to write it all down and email it over the weekend ready for Monday morning. I will obviously walk her to school and collect her from the playground next week and she has to report directly to a member of staff. Now I understand a mum who is upset because her daughter has been hurt, I’ve been in her shoes, but screaming in a 10 year olds face until they’re sobbing can’t be okay - can it? I was absolutely livid when I found out.

Am I being unreasonable to escalate this with the school as I have done considering everything that’s happened? Someone has mentioned that it’s a “consequence for fighting” but I really don’t see it that way when the school were dealing with the fight? Would really appreciate an outsiders perspective… how would you feel?

OP posts:
Ozanj · 06/07/2024 14:53

File a police report. They will work with the school to get the parent’s details.

Rainbowsponge · 06/07/2024 14:49

Another pupil stabbed my DD (5) in the leg with a pen recently, I asked if she told the teacher and she said ‘no mummy, I scratched her across the face instead’. I said good for you.

Mummy2024 · 06/07/2024 14:44

JC94 · 06/07/2024 08:59

@stayathomer I will definitely be walking her to and from for the rest of the year. She only has two weeks left until she leaves for Secondary school so I’m hoping we can get through these and have a fresh start. She is the only one from her school going to the new Secondary so we have a chance to start over - fingers crossed! I have always praised the school but now I think about the environment she’s been in the last few months, I don’t think they’ve done enough to prevent this…

Sorry OP but my son was bullied mercilessly and I always said don't hit back tell the teacher etc and they did absolutely nothing. He left school with no gcses despite me making him go and get bullied everyday.
He's got terrible social anxiety and depression now, scarred for life.
When she gets home don't tell her your disappointed say well done for defending yourself. If this happens in high school you do exactly the same! My younger son is getting bullied atm I've told the school and not much has happened about it but I will be telling them again Tuesday. I've told him if they push him, push them back stand up for yourself. I'm not making the same mistakes twice, letting shitty little bullies scar my kids. Ive also told him to tell them i told him to if it actually happens and he gets in trouble. I tried doing the right thing the first time round and the school did absolutely nothing so I won't be letting it happen again.

HaveAWordWithYerselfWouldYa · 06/07/2024 14:33

How sad that you feeling any kind of verbal abuse towards a child should be tolerated.

You should feel ashamed of yourself (but won't )

Mummy2mybear · 06/07/2024 14:25

RedHelenB · 06/07/2024 14:07

Over reaction. A parent told off OPs child for fighting, not a safeguarding or police matter. Let school know amd leave it. Things will blow over without a huge reaction.

Are you for real 🤣 What if it was your kid you just do nothing ?

RedHelenB · 06/07/2024 14:07

Irridescantshimmmer · 06/07/2024 01:03

YADNBU

Escalate this with the school, I also suggest you get the police involved as soon as possible because it is a safeguarding concern due to the vulnerability of your child who was pounced on by this raving lunatic.......I'm genuinely shocked that this has happened and the woman sounds like she completely lost control of her senses and the fact that your daughter is only 10.

Also, you don't know what this lunatic is capable of if she was to come into contact with your child again.

Over reaction. A parent told off OPs child for fighting, not a safeguarding or police matter. Let school know amd leave it. Things will blow over without a huge reaction.

Newname71 · 06/07/2024 13:40

CollyBobble · 06/07/2024 11:06

I got to this bit -

'slapped her a couple of months ago'

and wondered why kind of a parent would you be to send your child into that school after she had been physically assaulted?

I got to that bit and thought there’s no way I’d be punishing my child for defending themselves. Both of mine know if they are hit/hurt I have their back if they fight back.

Fannyfiggs · 06/07/2024 13:21

JuliesName · 06/07/2024 10:27

It would be an act of God that stopped me screaming in that 'mothers' face on Monday morning. What an absolute bitch.

I mean, follow the advice of all of the professional moms above me but personally I wouldn't let that stand but I'm only now realizing that I'm rare when everyone else is suggesting calm actions.

I'm the same as you Juliesname. I didn't know most people were so calm and sensible 😂

Epicaricacy · 06/07/2024 12:31

Crankymonkey · 06/07/2024 11:58

Imagine calling the police because somebody screamed at your child …
This is a school affair, OP. The school need to deal with this and ensure that all involved parties need to be held accountable for their behaviour. The most important thing is that the fighting stops.

Absolutely call the police when someone, an adult, scream threaten and insult your child.

It's much more reasonable than thumping them yourself.

What do you think the school can actually do against another parent?

JC94 · 06/07/2024 12:22

Thank You all for your advice/opinions. Regarding the police, I am waiting until I have my daughter’s statement so that I know exactly what happened. I’m also 100% aware that she was not innocent in what happened during the day.

My daughter is on the SEND Register at her school and so the school have been good in terms of providing her with a lot of assistance and helping her academically. It’s been eye opening reading some comments and realising that perhaps I’ve been a bit naive in my praise for the school. There’s a toxic environment for a while that I’ve notified the school about and kept them updated with what’s happened however it’s been allowed to fester.

OP posts:
RisingSunn · 06/07/2024 12:21

Maybe I’m stuck in the dark ages. But this sort of behaviour only used to rear it’s head in secondary school- like from year 8 onwards.

I know you say the school handles things generally well, but I would have to say the school is not in control of student behaviour at all.

sHREDDIES19 · 06/07/2024 12:17

Sounds like a school with issues if they’re fighting in primary! I’m shocked.

Greydays10 · 06/07/2024 12:17

Absolutely a police matter.
Cornering a child leaving school, Absolutely not on.
People behave like this because they believe they can get away with it.
Contact the police, and insist it is dealt with seriously.
Follow up with an email to the police officer involved.
Contact the school and tell them the police are now involved.
Your child should be able to walk safely from school with out being verbally attacked and abused.

MrsSkylerWhite · 06/07/2024 12:13

It was a visceral reaction. I admit I possibly may have felt the same way but I’m pretty sure I wouldn’t have acted upon it.

Maria1979 · 06/07/2024 12:10

This is so not OK ! An adult should never ever scream on another child! The school needs to be informed. I was once a witness to a mum screaming at a girl coming out of school for having bullied her child. I shielded the child and brought her back to the teachers and explained the situation so they could call her mum and ask her to come to school. The screaming mother was bat crazy and I think she could have attacked the girl physically. Well, she got an interdiction to come in to the school yard ever since..

UnitedOps · 06/07/2024 12:08

I am glad to hear that she will be starting secondary school soon and will be out of that toxic environment! I know it might be hard logistically, but do you have to send her in for the last two weeks? If she has been bullied, it would be terrible to continue putting her through that for another 2 weeks!

RaspberryIce · 06/07/2024 12:05

The mum was appalling to do that. Similar happened when mine were at primary school. A grandmother had a huge go at a (nice) boy for crossing her (not nice) dd.

Cherrysoup · 06/07/2024 12:05

I’d be tempted to pull her out for the next two weeks although obviously that’s really hard because where will she go? If you can’t, then I’d tell the school that you want her kept inside until you collect her or that parent banned from the playground. We have (as a school, not me!) banned 3 parents from being on the school site or contacting teachers bar the head of year-secondary-due to their aggressive behaviour. They have had official letters.

SerafinasGoose · 06/07/2024 12:04

I would escalate this to the police. There is a possibility that this is a public order or even a Schedule 1 offence.

By all means involve the school and inform them of the actions you have taken. If they're aware it's a police matter then it might compel them to take it the more seriously.

Do not approach or confront the other mother. Leave this one to the authorities to unpick.

This is not in any way acceptable.

Willsean · 06/07/2024 12:03

TwattyMcFuckFace · 06/07/2024 00:55

She shouldn't have screamed in your child's face.

And yes, I imagine it's a consequence of fighting.

Sounds like a truly awful school that has lost its grip on the pupils behavior.

Edited

Sounds more like truly awful parents that have lost their grip on children's and their own behaviour.

How on earth is the school responsible for this.

Conniebygaslight · 06/07/2024 12:01

Some years ago my teen DD reported a boy who had punched a car windscreen causing it to shatter. His mum found out and she physically assaulted my DD and screamed and threatened her. It was all filmed.
The police didn’t charge her.
The family just moved.

Crankymonkey · 06/07/2024 11:58

Imagine calling the police because somebody screamed at your child …
This is a school affair, OP. The school need to deal with this and ensure that all involved parties need to be held accountable for their behaviour. The most important thing is that the fighting stops.

Epicaricacy · 06/07/2024 11:45

GRex · 06/07/2024 11:21

I would ask the school (whoever was on the gate?) and other parents what happened; you need to know if this woman did actually scream, and what words she used. There must be kids in the class with younger siblings whose parent can confirm. You really don't want to involve police and layer accusations only to find out your DD was lying because she was upset from fighting.

You know your own child, you can ask them calmly and be nice but clear about possible consequences if the truth is not quite the same.

Now would be the time to prove you have their back, I can't imagine telling a child you need to check with witnesses to make sure you believe what they told you. It's quite awful actually.

endofthelinefinally · 06/07/2024 11:45

Yesmate · 06/07/2024 11:16

Phone the police. It’s a public order offence. The school sounds awful and they don’t appear to have any control. 2 weeks left of school. Is she bothered about the Y6 activites that will be happening? If not, pull her out and look forward to a fresh start at secondary.

Definitely report to police.

Zanatdy · 06/07/2024 11:28

Completely unacceptable. I’d be making sure the school dealt with this appropriately