To hope all the reform voters take a hard look in the mirror?

Oh here we go, someone doesn’t agree with me, they must be thick.

Many people who voted Reform are highly intelligent, they can see the multifaceted issues which arise from high levels of immigration, or more accurately the lack of integration.,
So do toddle off with your uneducated and I’ll thought through statements.

Sweden would be good. Social democracy, excellent quality of life, great schools, healthcare, parental leave, holiday, pay etc. Progressive on things like prison.

If I were you I'd look into that before going. Sweden has seen some rapid changes in the last decade. They have quite the gun crime problem.

The reality is that Europe is swinging hard to the right, due to immigration and poor economic outlook. US might be about to re-elect Trump.

There's always Canada I suppose.

Well they want to scrap the equality act which legally prevents discrimination on grounds of sex, race, age and disability... They also want to stop regulation on landlords meaning renters will have v little rights (but still unable to buy a house), and they also plan to force people to take any job if they're unemployed or they will lose their benefits - which presumably could mean forcing someone to take a zero hours contract, with no benefits to fall back on if they don't get any paid hours? Leaving them with nothing?

But that aside, their plans were never costed out truthfully and are out by tens of billions, and the things you mention above aren't done by previous govts at least partly because of cost. You can say what you like, look at the 350 million weekly to the NHS brexiteers lied about, doesn't make it true.

Reform supporters aren't generally known for their high intellect. My kindest assumption about these voters is that most aren't aware of the odious underlying ideology of the party they chose to cast their vote for. .

I’m sorry you feel that way, but you also need to understand many British white people are also feeling pushed out of their own communities.,After decades living in one place we have had to move away
due to the high levels of immigrants moving into our area, people who have no intention of integrating. This destroyed the existing community, crime rose (esp youth violent knife crime) businesses were shutting because the new residents didn’t use them. Community events that had been long established stopped because all the new residents didn’t attend. Neighbours were only concerned about their own community so the long established neighbourly feel
disappeared. Schooling was disrupted by high levels of non-English speakers, they had bulge classes to cope with the higher than average numbers of children. These classes diluted the available teachers. Communities circulated housing close to the best schools within their community so no one else could get a place. Kids who had gone through primary school together were bussed 10-15 miles away as they couldn’t get into their catchment school. There were rising levels of open misogyny as women (esp white women) were seen as second class citizens. Locals are unable to secure housing. People vote for who fits their interests best. This is why people are voting Reform because they are the party willing to tackle this. The problem isn’t just people coming in on boats, it’s the lack of integration.

We have purposely moved to an area where this isn’t happening (yet). When we moved to this area we have set out to be involved with our new community as much as possible, using and supporting local business, attending local events. Changing to fit in with local culture.

I wonder how many of those 4 million voted tactically ? Regardless, I thank them for helping to get the Conservatives out and Labour in

Would people still be saying you can vote for who you like if instead of voting Reform people had voted for BNP or National Front.

And for those who voted Reform can you explain how their policies are costed

I think some people just vote for whoever as they don’t really understand the various parties’ manifestos. Someone I know( not well) admitted that politics bores them. They voted Reform. In some cases, folks were voting tactically to get the Tories out. I came across a very interesting blogger who gave a list of areas & the party to vote for to help remove The Conservatives. In my area it was Labour. I had considered voting Green but ended up voting Labour after listening to the blog.
I remember a similar situation with Brexit. No clue what any of it meant or whether it was best to vote in or out. Can’t even remember which way I voted now. So OP I wouldn’t be too quick to judge.

Completely agree OP but the people you are talking about will never reflect and be ashamed. Some people just don’t have empathy for those they consider “other”.
I frequently speak up against bigotry in it’s various forms and sometimes it gets really depressing that so many people are so awful.

This sneering, bigoted attitude from the left is probably pushing people to vote for reform to stick it to you. Try a bit of critical thinking and consider why people might vote for them instead of just screaming about what racists they are.

try not to be so hate filled towards people who don’t think the way you do.

and no I didn’t vote reform

Jesus. People can vote for who they like, otherwise what would be the point.

Sweden would be good. Social democracy, excellent quality of life, great schools, healthcare, parental leave, holiday, pay etc. Progressive on things like prison.

I work in a caring profession as well as in a university, live in a diverse area with friends of all cultures and colours. I volunteer for a charity, fund raise and go out of my way to help others.

I voted Reform. It's called democracy. Could you please elaborate on exactly which Reform policies were spiteful and full of hate? Was it perhaps the tax exemption for front line workers or the raising the tax threshold to 20k? Or the scrapping of student loan interest perhaps. Gosh, how hateful to try to help those poorest in society.

We have all those nice Reform voters to thank for helping to get rid of the Tories!

And for all their efforts they've only got five seats in Parliament - suits me.

YABU.

Who did you vote for?

It had nothing to do with race or immigration, it was a protest
vote because the other options seemed so unappealing.

I understand you wanting to stick it to the main parties but this type of protest vote is what led to Brexit, which has cost our economy dearly and our children's freedom of movement has gone.

If you disagree with them on race, immigration and women's rights I would be very careful.

I’m not old enough to remember the events leading up to the Second World War, or the war itself, but there was a general swing to the right what with Mussolini, hitler etc and I can see a gradual swing in Europe like this now. People said ‘never again’ then and I think we owe an obligation to those who suffered in the last century to not wear blinkers now. Farage and reform are not the nazi party, but the ideologies are not far apart. We must learn from history. Extremism never helped anyone. The books written then can be read now. I am currently reading a book called Alone in Berlin about nazi occupation for example. We cannot, and I mean Europe not just the UK, slide into disaster and the consequence of lost innocent lives and the fall of civilisation. Farage and Reporm are the tip of the iceberg.

OP is probably going to wake up with a raging hangover!

Also, OP, remember that when you point a finger, you have three pointing back at you. Maybe reflect on yourself first.

I don't like Reform so I didn't vote for them, quite simple really.

Quite clearly, and without any hint they realise the hypocrisy, the only acceptable view point is that of the OP

So we're an immigrant family and a non immigrant family member married to a racially diverse person openly posted on social media that he was voting reform. He did the whole claim that Reform aren't really racists because abuse they have immigrants in the party and supporting them 🙄 then said why he was voting Reform. It was another aspect of their manifesto that was clearly his most important issue. (Not getting into what that was for various reasons). But I was stunned he could overlook the racism, even claim it doesn't exist (when his own partner and children are visibly racially diverse) just because they're outspoken about an issue he's passionate about. That to me is terrifying. If there are Reform voters who are not racists, not the bnp supporting 'keep Britain white' types we associate with Nigel Farage but willing to overlook this aspect.

I watched elderly family members who have been here since childhood terrified they would be deported at Brexit and helped them get their leave to remain via the winddrush scheme. It was heartbreaking. They felt rejected by a country they had given their working lives to. So this family member saw this too and can still put aside the racism and vote Reform. That terrifies me because fascism sneaks in in all sorts of ways, not just through out and out racism. This family member is a good, kind, intelligent person btw!

And just out of interest, where will you go? To one of the lovely, tolerant, European countries where no hint of right-wing extremism ever darkens their shores? Or to the US or Australia ditto?

I think that a vote for reform is an absolute mistake but I think hurling insults at those who did is pointless. The people who voted in Farage and Tice will regret it soon enough- those 2 are both selfish, nasty grifters who don’t give a fuck about their constituents or the areas they represent.

The ones who voted in Lee Anderson are the ones that get me most though. A man who is known for being a lying, racist thicko who goes out of his way to be as nasty as he can to those who are struggling. And he gets voted in again. I’m not gonna assume everyone in his constituency are the same (they didn’t all vote for him) but yeah. Be giving Ashfield a swerve from now on. Blimey.

What I don't understand is why people believe Nigel Farage. Why can't people see that he's an absolute shyster, a lying little toad? He's so utterly abhorrent that I don't understand why people fall for it.

I absolutely understand people's concerns, especially in an area like Birmingham - I was horrified by how close Jess Phillips was to losing her seat. But that is the failure of the Tory government to insist on working on integration. It should never have got to that point. Voting for Reform is not the answer. You need to invest in local groups, infrastructure, gain people's trust and bring them with you. The Muslims that I know are not like that at all, they're not all the same and it's perfectly possible for multiple religions to live together peacefully. But it needs work.

This is an attitude that gets no one anywhere. The ways to reduce Reforms vote share are:
Expose Farage for who he and his supporters really are (from their experience of being Euro MPs - they are freeloaders who do no real work)
Also understand why people voted Reform - and there are lots of reasons not just Racism (gender was one of them in some areas they were the only candidate who unequivocally knew what a woman was)
And Racism itself is mostly not about Race as such but about feeling disenfranchised and blaming the "other"

From what I knew of growing up in an area with a lot of National Front supporters, the NF gave them an opportunity to feel special, and included. Pretty similar to why people flocked to the Nazis in Germany