To hope all the reform voters take a hard look in the mirror?

If we’re sleepwalking into fascism it is in part due to the holier than thou attitude of the left. The constant insults and lack of discussion have contributed to this.

If we had a government and opposition that weren’t incompetent the hard discussions would have been had.

In some areas of the country immigration is a problem, but no one can talk about it or they’re immediately called racist. This has paved the way for Farage to come in, and he has appealed to Tory voters who are jaded (understandably) by the state of Conservatives but can’t bring themselves (also understandably) to vote for Labour.

Farage has been able to take advantage of the lack of discussion to talk clearly about three big things - the NHS (as it stands it cannot continue much longer, and a French style private system seems inevitable), women’s rights (other parties cannot say what a woman is, Tories can but have fudged the issue for over a decade), and immigration (remember the Rotherham scandal?). If other parties had given air time to these issues maybe Reform wouldn’t have had the opportunity to get on the ladder.

Unless Labour magically starts discussing these things I predict that by the next election either Reform will have a much bigger following, and/or conservatives will move harder right to meet them. I can’t see Labour being anything other than disastrous after a brief respite and that will contribute to a harder right trajectory.

Before Brexit (another holier than thou shitshow) I read an article showing how history repeats itself, and it basically predicted what’s happening now, and that for the most part humans are too tribal and closed minded to make the changes to stop it.

I’ve always considered myself a lefty, but Labour and the sanctimonious behaviour of their supporters have lost me this time. I’m now genuinely politically homeless.

What's the point of this? I am not a Reform supporter and am entirely ideologically opposed to almost everything they stand for. But insulting and shaming people has never been an effective tool for changing their mindsets. Do you think that anyone who voted Reform would read this and recognise themselves in your description? Or care about the opinion of someone who is speaking to them like that? Or be motivated to change their opinions or world view?

If you genuinely want other people to share your outlook, this isn't the way to achieve that. If anything, it will have the opposite effect.

I doubt anyone who voted Reform is ashamed.

If I need to vote Reform to get Starmer out next time, I’ll do it.

I think you really need some kind of help. You also need to start understanding that other people have different life experiences to you. Your post is basically everything you are crudely arguing against.

it’s extraordinary how lacking in self awareness you appear to be.

I think you really need some kind of help. You also need to start understanding that other people have different life experiences to you. Your post is basically everything you are crudely arguing against.

it’s extraordinary how lacking in self awareness you appear to be.

Reform is the reason we can't have proportional representation to prevent another Hitler which is what Nigel is.

Those who voted reform don't want to blame themselves for their problems rather the people fleeing absolute poverty. The only change in my eyes needed is the ability for them to work immediately whilst their claim is being investigated so they can integrate quicker. The majority near us work cash in hand and are exploited by that, it's them I feel sorry for.

There is a reason the Lib Dem's have the most educated vote and exist in middle class areas.

Perhaps the poster doesn’t have time to volunteer working long hours in minimum wage to live in a bed sit. Again volunteering is traditionally a very middle class activity for those that have the time and the means.

Did you go NC with your aunt? I wouldn't be surprised as you dont sound like someone who can tolerate a difference in opinion.

Also, heard of tactical voting?

On top of that Farage is an excellent public speaker let’s be honest - he was much better than any of the others at the election debate and is always clear, calm and confident during interviews. I can totally see why people would vote for him.

Indeed, but I can think of a few 'great public speakers' that had awful policies. I agree, he is much nicer to listen to than most politician. He seems to answer the question being asked, for one. But again, it seems people forget the history because that doesn't mean anything if the actual party is a racist, and openly misogynistic.

Yes, this.
And one saying it right now.
Took a look into the mirror - yes, it's still me.
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It was Hilary Clinton calling millions of people deplorables that cost her the election.

I know people who voted reform. They are intelligent, kind, hard working people. Some are woman who are concerned about woman’s rights Instead of insulting them - find out why they voted that way. What is it that speaks to them? If we could have a conversation as opposed to slinging insults we might all get somewhere.

(for the record - I did not vote reform)

Ooohhh, what’s it like on the pedestal high up looking down on 4 million people.

Is it cold up there? Can you give a weather forecast?

4 million people say fuck off back!

There are millions of people in the U.K. who are living in poverty - damp and inadequate housing, poorly educated, poor diet and health, stuck in low paid work. This is precisely where Farage places himself. He knows that where people feel disaffected and left behind, it’s human nature to want to blame something or someone. Farage exploits this. It’s the ‘they’re taking all our jobs’ mentality - it’s easier to point the finger than to take responsibility for the fact you haven’t got the life you think you should have. Extremism breeds amid generational poverty.

The sad thing is, Farage despises those in poverty and the poorly educated. He just manipulates them as vote fodder.

It’s very easy isn’t it to stand there and proclaim you will ‘take the country back.’ Reform say they will ‘turn the boats back to France.’ Ok. But they have to actually find the boats first! What are they going to do - have police permanently floating at regular intervals in the channel?

Once migrants have got to Calais it’s too late really. It’s far too simplistic to just say ‘send them back to France.’ Illegal migration is only going to increase as climate change takes hold - it’s a global issue that’s going to require global solutions (or part-solutions) - not silly quip populist headlines.

Here’s Farage claiming he is a ‘man of the people.’ What an utter joke. He wants to give tax breaks to people who use private schools ffs! How many people in Jayswick use private schools?

Do people who voted for Farage seriously think he could actually live among them for 5 minutes - once the cameras stop rolling? Will he be purchasing a chalet or other crap housing in his constituency now he has his seat? Or will he just stride in, inane grin like the Cheshire Cat as usual - but in reality he’s just holding his nose for the cameras. He despises the ‘little people’ (as he refers to them). It’s all carefully-curated photo-ops in a pub with a pint and a bit of flag waving with the elderly. That’s literally all he has to offer. He doesn’t have to offer realistic or ‘fact checked’ policies because he’ll never have to put them into practice.

The man was educated at Dulwich College and he was a nasty piece of work there. He has no plan for anyone other than himself. How people can see through him, I don’t know. He is truly vile. Fascist in a red waistcoat with a pint.