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I can't really go back to work with H attitude

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icantfuckingwin · 05/07/2024 22:45

Two kids- 4 and 2.

H trying to build an empire and make it big. Self employed business. Requires A LOT of hours out of the house. I do not wish to disclose the type of business it is. But it's not work from home.

He leaves at 6 and comes back at 8:30-9 pm. The commute is around 1:15-1:30 minutes.

He's been putting a lot into it for many years and is on the brink of a possible investment, let's say. To enlarge business.

I've also had quite a successful career. I went back to work after both babies. I also manage everything home related, as I've always worked from home, there was just more time for me to do it.

For the last year I held a senior position, on a pretty big salary. Not humble bragging. But I suffered from absolute burn out. I could no longer maintain everything. I was doing all night wakings, all mornings, all drop offs and all pick ups, plus dinner time and bed time alone. My kids school is also an hour round trip because of traffic. I did have the help of a cleaner and spent money on convenience foods and take aways too often, but was really trying to just get through the days somehow. We had a nanny for a while before my youngest went to nursery and she'd fill in if I had work trips abroad etc. anyway my H all the while always complaining how much money we spent on outsourcing and making me feel guilty about it.

So we recently started discussing my return to work and what was going to change. To which he said, well we can't spend that much money on outsourcing stuff- otherwise it won't be worth you working. We will be paying more to outsource than you'll be earning. This is because I suggested we have a housekeeper a few times a week, rather than a cleaner once a week, to make things easier on me. He said I never think about the finances and only about getting more and more help in.

This was part of the reason I left my job too, as I was made to feel guilty for needing help.

He essentially wants a wife who works full time on a big salary and takes care of all the home and childcare stuff with no help ( aside from nursery ) while he goes off to build his empire.

And I know what he'll say, he'll say I never supported him and he did it all alone. He already thinks that. Because I couldn't handle ' my lot '. When I was working and caused him a headache by complaining about it all.

I am sad but I don't think I can go back to work under these circumstances. He still does not get it and he'll begrudge the money we will need to speak to pick up his side of the equation.

OP posts:
Therealjudgejudy · 07/07/2024 20:53

He is not a good husband or father.

He is a self absorbed selfish twat.

LaDamaDeElche · 07/07/2024 20:47

Perhaps couples therapy is an option. It’s often useful for an impartial third party to help navigate these situations. If that doesn’t work, then you're fortunate enough to earn a good salary, so separating would be the only option. Who could be with someone who values them that little?

AllyArty · 07/07/2024 20:43

How much time does he spend with his children and how much time do you get to yourself?

What memories are you building together for your family. That’s what really matters. Of course he wants to be successful, but there has to be a balance.

He sounds selfish. If I were you I’d get a cleaner/au pair and do menu planning every week and just crack on like a single parent (which you already are by the sound of it) and get to the stage when your youngest starts school and then re-evaluate everything. Hopefully by then he will have made lots of money and can relax and enjoy you all.

Winter2020 · 07/07/2024 20:37

You should tell your husband that you are not outsourcing your half of the childcare and housework - you are outsourcing his half because he does nothing to help - and he needs to pay for it.

If he doesn't want to pay for help then ask when you can sit down together to plan his half of the school runs/childcare and housework.

AlpineMuesli · 07/07/2024 20:30

This isn’t someone who will see the light and turn over a new leaf imo.
The best case scenario is he shuts up whining about paying for help.

Garlickest · 07/07/2024 20:30

*I just can't win an argument without it escalating ... He says I'm nagging / tells me to shut up/ says I'm hysterical/ he doesn't need this ' shit ' from me, with everything else he has on his plate etc etc.

I just can't get through to him and sorry but he makes me doubt myself all the time.*

You're describing an abuser.

If you're still not ready to take advice from Women's Aid and Rights of Women preparatory to unilaterally organising a well-planned divorce, I recommend applying for divorce as @Runsyd did. It may just be enough to shock some sense into him.

It worked for a friend of mine, too. Her husband, though, was a genuinely nice man who'd just drifted into taking her for granted. He didn't verbally abuse her, keep secrets from her, order her about or close the door on sick children. Yours does all this: but you can try it!

Bjorkdidit · 07/07/2024 20:28

nearlymrs · 07/07/2024 19:30

He's already outsourced absolutely everything- to his wife, at no cost to him.

I'd like to see how he would manage as a single man- to continue working the hours he does, plus managing a household, cleaning, shopping, 50/50 childcare, school runs etc. He'd sure as hell be outsourcing then wouldn't he!

Likely he'll keep up with work just fine, eat takeaways/restaurant meals/bought lunches, live in a midden and take his DC to McDonalds a couple of Sundays a month if they're lucky.

icantfuckingwin · 07/07/2024 20:27

cestlavielife · 07/07/2024 20:25

Does he actually spend any time with the dc?
Takes them out on weekend?
Overnight while you stay with a friend?

Never without me. He just wants to relax when he's home because he's really tired. He doesn't have time for anything.

OP posts:
cestlavielife · 07/07/2024 20:25

Does he actually spend any time with the dc?
Takes them out on weekend?
Overnight while you stay with a friend?

ManyATrueWord · 07/07/2024 20:20

You don't need to win an argument. State your position and stay there. Stonewall him
"I need to keep up my career."

You absolutely need to keep up your career because one day you will want to divorce him.

Also go see a solicitor now and understand your financial position.

Mummy2024 · 07/07/2024 19:56

icantfuckingwin · 05/07/2024 22:45

Two kids- 4 and 2.

H trying to build an empire and make it big. Self employed business. Requires A LOT of hours out of the house. I do not wish to disclose the type of business it is. But it's not work from home.

He leaves at 6 and comes back at 8:30-9 pm. The commute is around 1:15-1:30 minutes.

He's been putting a lot into it for many years and is on the brink of a possible investment, let's say. To enlarge business.

I've also had quite a successful career. I went back to work after both babies. I also manage everything home related, as I've always worked from home, there was just more time for me to do it.

For the last year I held a senior position, on a pretty big salary. Not humble bragging. But I suffered from absolute burn out. I could no longer maintain everything. I was doing all night wakings, all mornings, all drop offs and all pick ups, plus dinner time and bed time alone. My kids school is also an hour round trip because of traffic. I did have the help of a cleaner and spent money on convenience foods and take aways too often, but was really trying to just get through the days somehow. We had a nanny for a while before my youngest went to nursery and she'd fill in if I had work trips abroad etc. anyway my H all the while always complaining how much money we spent on outsourcing and making me feel guilty about it.

So we recently started discussing my return to work and what was going to change. To which he said, well we can't spend that much money on outsourcing stuff- otherwise it won't be worth you working. We will be paying more to outsource than you'll be earning. This is because I suggested we have a housekeeper a few times a week, rather than a cleaner once a week, to make things easier on me. He said I never think about the finances and only about getting more and more help in.

This was part of the reason I left my job too, as I was made to feel guilty for needing help.

He essentially wants a wife who works full time on a big salary and takes care of all the home and childcare stuff with no help ( aside from nursery ) while he goes off to build his empire.

And I know what he'll say, he'll say I never supported him and he did it all alone. He already thinks that. Because I couldn't handle ' my lot '. When I was working and caused him a headache by complaining about it all.

I am sad but I don't think I can go back to work under these circumstances. He still does not get it and he'll begrudge the money we will need to speak to pick up his side of the equation.

Just tell him, he either does his bit and you won't hire the cleaner or other help or he doesn't and you hire them.

Don't mention divorce what so ever until you have sought legal advice, regarding the businesses

CestLaVie123 · 07/07/2024 19:40

He's a total scumbag OP. I would not be able to be with a man who put all the household tasks on me, and expect me to work, with zero help. It is simply beyond comprehension. And does he expect sex from you as well? Honestly I have no words for how scummy this man is OP. I'm so sorry. A huge LTB from me

changeme4this · 07/07/2024 19:38

I’m stuck on the fact he is doing a 3 hour commute each day. Surely that comes at a financial cost ? If he is wanting to reduce outgoings, let him start there.

how much is he spending on meals when he is ‘at work’ ?

why can’t he move his business closer to home or move home closer to the business so he is more available on the home front ? Bet he has an excuse for that ..

nearlymrs · 07/07/2024 19:30

He's already outsourced absolutely everything- to his wife, at no cost to him.

I'd like to see how he would manage as a single man- to continue working the hours he does, plus managing a household, cleaning, shopping, 50/50 childcare, school runs etc. He'd sure as hell be outsourcing then wouldn't he!

Gcsunnyside23 · 07/07/2024 19:24

Gcsunnyside23 · 07/07/2024 19:11

He wants a sahm who can just shout you and leave him to it. Absolutely do not give up your job for him. If he complains about the price then point out you're only paying to pick up his slack, he's may be about to make his business a success but he is lacking and I successfully as a partner and a husband. Remind him he decided to have a family also and facilitated him the time to put into his business but if he wants to keep that up then he may pay up or shut up and provide proper support.

*shut up and leave him to it
*Unsuccessful as a partner
Sorry typos, fat fingers 🙈

xyz111 · 07/07/2024 19:15

You need to make a list of all the chores and a timetable. Sit down with him and plan when things are going to be done. He needs to visually see you can't do all of it. And why should you!!! Does he pull his weight at the weekend? You both earn a good salary, use it to make life easier.

Gcsunnyside23 · 07/07/2024 19:11

He wants a sahm who can just shout you and leave him to it. Absolutely do not give up your job for him. If he complains about the price then point out you're only paying to pick up his slack, he's may be about to make his business a success but he is lacking and I successfully as a partner and a husband. Remind him he decided to have a family also and facilitated him the time to put into his business but if he wants to keep that up then he may pay up or shut up and provide proper support.

FindingNeverland28 · 07/07/2024 19:00

Is he going to be paying your pension contributions if you don’t go back to work?

SpiritOfEcstasy · 07/07/2024 18:43

My exH was the same. I quit my job after DD2 as he told me that if I wised to continue working I’d need to hire a nanny - and pay her salary. He wasn’t working but having looked after DD1 when I returned to work he was unwilling to look after both DDs. Eventually I decided to divorce and force him to become a 50:50 parent. He refused. It’s six years since he last seen our DDs now … your H is a selfish prick with no wish to be a fair partner or father.

TemuSpecialBuy · 07/07/2024 18:42

icantfuckingwin · 07/07/2024 17:41

Do you think regardless of what happens I should push to be a shareholder in all the companies he has ?

yes!

bonzaitree · 07/07/2024 18:39

I’d point out that divorce would be significantly more expensive than a cleaner and let that percolate.

Boysgrownbutstillathome · 07/07/2024 18:36

TheHorneSection · 05/07/2024 22:52

You know he’s a bit of an arse, yes?

What husband completely devalues his wife’s aims and achievements.

A narcissist does.

MarvellousMonsters · 07/07/2024 18:35

icantfuckingwin · 05/07/2024 23:01

It's so difficult. He makes it out like I'm so unreasonable.

He is gaslighting you. What a horrible, singleminded abusive man.

Kisskiss · 07/07/2024 18:19

icantfuckingwin · 07/07/2024 17:41

Do you think regardless of what happens I should push to be a shareholder in all the companies he has ?

He’s extremely selfish and places himself and his career above you and your family, so yes you need to financially protect yourself.
what you described sounds like hell, you would be better off alone as you are solo parenting already and getting useless feedback about the choices you make to facilitate this .
he needs to change his attitude as nobody should put up with that crap. Who does he think he is??? What a gem you got there

Runnerduck34 · 07/07/2024 18:15

AcrossthePond55 · 07/07/2024 14:00

I'm just trying to find ammunition to finally get him to change / understand where I'm coming from. He doesn't with how I communicate with him. He says I'm nagging / tells me to shut up/ says I'm hysterical/ he doesn't need this ' shit ' from me, with everything else he has on his plate etc etc.

OK, here it is plainly. You will never 'find ammunition to get him to change' because he does not value you and he does not think he needs to change. Not even deep down in the deepest recesses of his brain is there one iota of space saying "Maybe she's got a point". And a person who does not value someone will never listen to them. Your 'ammunition' would be nothing but a series of damp squibs, they would do nothing to convince him. My dear, you could walk in the door carrying stone tablets from Mt Sinai and he still will not listen. He never will listen. He can hear nothing but his own words because yours are nothing but useless noise to him.

You're doing what I used to do, thinking that 'if I can just find the right words' some magic fairy would bonk my ex on the head and he'd say "Of course you're right, how blind I've been" but it will never happen. Because his only concern is himself and what he wants. You are nothing to him but an adjunct to his magnificence. And an inconvenient one at that, because you will not shut up and leave him to himself with his 'empire building'.

I hope that's plain enough for you because you really need to understand that your efforts are futile. Your choice is to either stay in your misery (working or not) or get the hell out and build a solid life for you and your children. I know what I'd choose.

I just can't get through to him and sorry but he makes me doubt myself all the time

Of course it makes you doubt yourself!!! What do you think his intention is in the first place? It's certainly not to reinforce the fact that you are right!

I'm sorry if I sound harsh. But you really need a wake up call and to face reality.

Fabulous post! Frankly thats it in a nutshell.
Im sorry OP but you cant change your DH,
If you have the opportunity to have a high salary you have options, dont give it all up for a DH who seemingly doesnt respect or value you.
It shouldnt be seen as a case that all childcare/ cleaner/outsourcing costs come out of your salary, it should be coming out of joint household income which should be looked at as an overall household income versus outgoings.
The outsourcing benefits him as much as you, its not your sole responsibility to run the house and be responsible for childcare, you would probably be better off as a single parent.
You need to start kicking back and and if that doesnt work seriously consider your marriage and I know thats so much easier said than done. Its not easy when your self worth has been eroded and you start to question your sanity. Perhaps counselling would help.