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To think that my sons teacher is making a big deal out of something quite small

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Eshmee · 05/07/2024 18:53

So my little boy is 4. He's in foundation at school and is the youngest in his year. He struggles with regulating his emotions and sometimes when angry or upset will hit rather than use his words to explain what he wants or why he's upset. We have soent alot of time on this explaining how to vocalise what he wants but as I said, he's 4 and from all the parenting advice sites etc I gather that this is fairly normal behaviour for a child of his age.

Today when I collected him from school the teacher told me that whilst waiting in line for assembly he grabbed a teacher assistant by the arm quite hard as she was walking past and this was hard enough to leave a little red mark on her arm. His teacher told me that this teacher assistant is new and was quote shocked so instead of asking him what he needed she ignored him and carried om walking. My little boy was then removed from assembly a whllile later by a more senior teacher and was told off. She also asked him why he had done it but by this time he had forgotten. Whilst I understand that isnis never acceptable to grab, he tells me that he didn't know her name and that he wanted to walk with her to assembly.
When his class teacher was relaying all of this to me she made it sound like a had a violet thug for a son. AIBU to think she's made a big deal out of something small or do I need to crack down much harder on him?
Advice needed for a worried mum :(

OP posts:
SeanMean · 05/07/2024 21:21

You are totally minimising his behaviour. Not age appropriate to kick or whack others.

I feel sorry for that poor TA.

Flamingos89 · 05/07/2024 21:19

They are making a big deal - but at the same time, it’s a lesson for him - don’t grab! If they make a big deal about it now - less issues for you down the line!

Otherstories2002 · 05/07/2024 21:18

Eshmee · 05/07/2024 19:27

So, his punishments are age appropriate (I hope). He's not allowed to play the play station for a week and is not allowed any treats after school.
He isn't not a regular offender and is generally very good at school. He is not violent or aggressive but if someone upsets him or antagonises him rather than tell the teacher he just reacts which will either usually be a whack on the arm or a kick. I know this behaviour is absolutely not okay. I was glad the teacher told me.

Not age appropriate. 4 year olds shouldn’t be anywhere near a PlayStation.

This might explain the issue.

What is he playing and why?

Otherstories2002 · 05/07/2024 21:16

Eshmee · 05/07/2024 19:02

Is a child grabbing an adults arm 'physical violence' these days? He only wanted to walk with her but didn't know her name and obviously did it a bit too hard. Is that violence?

It always was.

this isn’t typical or acceptable behaviour for any age and certainly not 4.

If the teachers are raising concerns there’s something to be concerned about.

RickyGervaislovesdogs · 05/07/2024 21:16

Runnerinthenight · 05/07/2024 19:06

This is a child, not a dog. His behaviour can be worked on. Nobody is letting him get away with it, but the TA should have spoken to him at the time, or the class teacher should have done. Not some time after the event.

I was being sarcastic. He’s a child YES so can comprehend right from wrong. It is ok that it was a little after the event.

Grabbing is wrong. You don’t grab anything. Basic manners.

readingmakesmehappy · 05/07/2024 21:14

@Worriedmotheroftwo we are realising that my reception is quite anxious too, though he seems quite cheerful outwardly. He bites his nails and is always looking for physical stimulation like chewing on things or tapping things. Have you found any useful ways for helping him?

Montydone · 05/07/2024 21:13

NotQuiteNorma · 05/07/2024 20:54

Reminds me of when I was at primary. A teacher walked past me in the playground and I wanted to hold her hand. I grabbed her hand as she went past and she shouted at me 'DON'T PINCH!' and stormed off with a face like thunder. I was only 6. I hadn't got a clue what I had done wrong. All I wanted to do was hold the miserable old trouts hand. How dreadful of me.

Oh this makes me feel sad to read! I have some similar memories

User79853257976 · 05/07/2024 21:12

Crunchingleaf · 05/07/2024 20:25

From my circle of people I know in teaching or early years there is a huge problem with parents who constantly minimise their child’s behaviour. If they are speaking to you on a few occasions please remember that they don’t need to discuss a child’s behaviour with most of the other parents. Your child is surrounded all day long by their peers and if you are being spoken to about behaviour then that means their behaviour is standing out negatively.

You can tell yourself that they can’t fully regulate themselves until 7 which is true but the majority of kids have stopped lashing out in anger in places like school or preschool by the time they are 4.

Look I know from my friend that it’s hard being the parent that the teacher is always trying to catch for a chat at drop off or collection. It’s the same one or two parents that get spoken to every time. Some kids genuinely do mature a bit slower but a parent needs to be aware of these things because for some kids a red flag.

My child does not hit anyone at school and did not at pre-school but there is a wide window of what can be normal behaviour.

CoffeeNeededorWine · 05/07/2024 21:11

I am a reception teacher. With 10+ years experience. Grabbing anybody because you want to walk to assembly with them isn’t normal behaviour. All reception children are perfectly capable of walking from their class to the hall without grabbing people. Imagine how difficult it would be if all the class grabbed people we’d never get the children to the hall. The children go to assembly because it is age appropriate to do so.
Your child is about to start year one and is still hitting other children to communicate their needs. This isn’t typical behaviour for their age. This is typical behaviour of a 2 year old. Our nursery children don’t hit out to communicate their needs. It sounds very much like your child has a communication delay. I’m sorry the school haven’t been able to tell you this.

ChooChoooo · 05/07/2024 21:10

My 4 year old boy is still very impulsive. He’s generally okay at pre school but absolutely loses his marbles at home after pre school and can still be violent. I could just see him doing something like this if his internal coke bottle wash shaken up just a bit too much at school and he just couldn’t hold it in any longer. So I think you’ve had a hard time for the actual incident OP.

But your punishments are ridiculous, lazy and ineffective. Spend time modelling with him how to react in scenarios. Give him phrases to say if he’s overwhelmed and needs a release. Talk to him when he’s calm about what’s okay and what isn’t behaviour wise. Removal from situations every single time he is violent with an explanation then move on. Honestly, what on earth is a 4 year old supposed to learn from having ‘treats’ (whatever that means) removed for 7 days?

Eshmee · 05/07/2024 21:08

Well this post has been totally enlightening and I have learned an awful lot from the response.

I have learned that a 4 year old hitting in frustration or grabbing the arm of an adult he wants to speak to is categorically not normal, but also can be normal.

I have learned that I am a gentle parent who is not reacting to her child's behaviour but that i am also punishing too harshly.

But what I have learned more than anything is that when mums wants genuine advice and possibly a bit of kindness, people are all too happy to mum shame from their ivory towers.

Many of you have posted with some genuinely great advice and support and for that I am grateful. I'm happy to be told if I'm not taking it seriously enough or not addressing it in the right way or I'd not of posted on here asking the question but I honestly didn't expect such rudeness from some people.
For those of you who felt it was appropriate to be unkind, I wish you and your perfect children a very happy life.

OP posts:
Inmydreams88 · 05/07/2024 21:07

No the teacher isn't making a big deal about nothing. You say your son has form for hitting and kicking when someone "upsets" or "antagonises" him. That is the definition of violent and aggressive behaviour. Your son hurt a member of staff and it will have been reported in an incident form. This is obviously becoming a pattern of negative behaviour that the school are noticing. The issue is if this isn't nipped in the bud now then he's going to be that child who's still hitting and kicking in year 1, year 2 etc and this issue becomes a much, much bigger issue.

Your post has lots of contradictions, you say he's not violent but then say he hits and kicks, you say he couldn't remember the incident but then was able to tell you exactly why he grabbed her, you say the school are over reacting but then say your punishing him at home etc

But ultimately you know your son, you know how he behaves, school are telling you how he behaves in school.

This likely can be turned around if you work with the school.

Montydone · 05/07/2024 21:06

Eshmee · 05/07/2024 20:50

Christ alive. I can't even with this bullshit.

What is really interesting here is that I think some of the responses are written impulsively and without much thought or consideration.
In my opinion these posters are doing (as adults) something very similar to what they are criticising a 4 year old for doing

HairyChin · 05/07/2024 21:05

Hesma · 05/07/2024 18:57

No teaching assistant should have to accept being physically assaulted by a child

Oh for goodness sake. How was he “ physically assaulting “ someone.

Conmon sense has gone out the window these days. He’s four years old. I am a child care professional; if he had done that to me, I would have spoken to him and found out what he wanted but explained we mustn’t grab people.
It’s really not that difficult.

Runnerinthenight · 05/07/2024 21:03

RubySloth · 05/07/2024 20:52

Exactly, 4! Old enough to use the bathroom independently, use phonics, use cutlery, ask for a drink, do crafts .... but not put his hand up or wait for an appropriate time to ask a question... Good lord.

Good lord, the child wanted to walk with her in the assembly line! It was a moment of impulse! Children do that sometimes!

Montydone · 05/07/2024 21:02

RubySloth · 05/07/2024 20:52

Exactly, 4! Old enough to use the bathroom independently, use phonics, use cutlery, ask for a drink, do crafts .... but not put his hand up or wait for an appropriate time to ask a question... Good lord.

I agreed with you until I had a child who has a different cognitive profile to other children. Some children learn to do the things you’ve stated intuitively (I have a child like that too!); for others they can have remarkable strengths in one area and actually really struggle with using cutlery, with managing waiting and with tolerating feelings of frustration. It’s really hard work as a parent and requires extra thinking and planning and considering how to best support the child to develop these skills without being punishing and leaving them feeling like they’re “not good enough” because this stuff doesn’t come easy to them. To have other parents tell you that your child “should” be able to do this stuff - or look at you like you’re a bad parent - makes it all so much harder

Runnerinthenight · 05/07/2024 21:01

According to the OP, the TA said none of this, "it sounds more like he has squeezed hard and dug his nails in,or pinched if he has left a red mark" [sic]

Runnerinthenight · 05/07/2024 21:00

Supergirl1958 · 05/07/2024 20:55

Thankyou for your lovely advice criticism.
if you read my first reply you will see I actually gave the OP advice to do a Neurodev referral with the school! 🙄

I read this -

This is a bit of a red flag for me as a teacher. Hitting and such behaviour is common for toddlers but not in Nursery or Reception at this stage of the year.

I'm not going to comb the thread to read every nugget you posted!!

Runnerinthenight · 05/07/2024 20:57

Eshmee · 05/07/2024 20:50

Christ alive. I can't even with this bullshit.

I'm sorry you are getting all this crap and I know how shit it makes you feel as a mum. I posted about a trivial 5 year old demeanour of one of mine on a parenting site, and I actually cried. It was made out as if my child was the devil incarnate. It's 20 years ago and it still stings!

DC was going to hell in a handcart - I was a terrible mother. You know it's a load of shite but it hurts all the same! My child has grown up into a beautiful, successful, kind and decent human being. And it all happened in a flash!

So please, please don't be upset by the nasty judgemental comments! You wouldn't have posted here if you hadn't been concerned. Love your little boy, work with him and support him - he will grow up all too soon! He will move on to the next stage and all this will be history x

Supergirl1958 · 05/07/2024 20:55

Runnerinthenight · 05/07/2024 20:52

Well instead of your red flagging, what should the OP be doing here? Like some constructive?!

Thankyou for your lovely advice criticism.
if you read my first reply you will see I actually gave the OP advice to do a Neurodev referral with the school! 🙄

frightenedmum1 · 05/07/2024 20:55

Anewuser · 05/07/2024 19:13

It sounds to me like they are conflating two situations.

As a TA, I often walk through school and have younger children ‘grab’ me. They mean no harm but know it’s the quickest and easier way to get my attention. Others will think it’s inappropriate but it doesn’t bother me at all, so if your son did the same, I’d just ask him what he wanted.

However, reception children generally don’t use violence/aggression with their peers to communicate. He is about to move up a class at school, so I would be looking at strategies to manage his behaviour.

it sounds more like he has squeezed hard and dug his nails in,or pinched if he has left a red mark. i work with young children and they take my hand or tap or put their arms round me to get my attention.If je is in reception , he is a lot closer to 5 than 4.Stop minimising!

NotQuiteNorma · 05/07/2024 20:54

Reminds me of when I was at primary. A teacher walked past me in the playground and I wanted to hold her hand. I grabbed her hand as she went past and she shouted at me 'DON'T PINCH!' and stormed off with a face like thunder. I was only 6. I hadn't got a clue what I had done wrong. All I wanted to do was hold the miserable old trouts hand. How dreadful of me.

PollyPeep · 05/07/2024 20:53

@Eshmee I bet you're regretting posting on here, I'm sorry OP. I've turned to Mumsnet for advice before with something similar and got absolutely savaged for it. Your little boy sounds fine to me, he's 4! I don't know why people here expect 4 year olds to have complete control over their emotions when many adults don't.

I understand the overwhelming urge to try and find a solution or punishment that will work. It's a horrible feeling when your child is "that child", but what's worked for us is just time, lots of love, modelling behaviour, sticker charts for good behaviour, and calm conversations. If your child is struggling with his emotions and possibly not making connections between his actions and consequences, punishment may not work.

Supergirl1958 · 05/07/2024 20:52

Worriedmotheroftwo · 05/07/2024 20:48

My son (5) sounds very much like your son (also in Reception). He has recently been diagnosed with ADHD. He is impulsive and sometimes hits (much rarer now). He struggled in nursery / first term of school and was seen as 'naughty' though actually he is very anxious as we later discovered. However, lots of kids in his class have hit on occasion - it can be normal at 4. Less so if it is all the time. My son was more than expected for a typical 4 year old. I do think school are overreacting but I also think they should he considering support that he needs.

Did you get a private adhd dx? Paeds told me my son won’t go on the cahms waiting list until he is 6 and a half (in 2 years) and I know through my job that our waiting list is over four years :(

RubySloth · 05/07/2024 20:52

Froniga · 05/07/2024 18:57

For goodness sake he’s 4! Why on earth did the teacher he grabbed not ask him what he needed! Poor little chap being ignored by professional who should know bettet

Exactly, 4! Old enough to use the bathroom independently, use phonics, use cutlery, ask for a drink, do crafts .... but not put his hand up or wait for an appropriate time to ask a question... Good lord.

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