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To think that my sons teacher is making a big deal out of something quite small

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Eshmee · 05/07/2024 18:53

So my little boy is 4. He's in foundation at school and is the youngest in his year. He struggles with regulating his emotions and sometimes when angry or upset will hit rather than use his words to explain what he wants or why he's upset. We have soent alot of time on this explaining how to vocalise what he wants but as I said, he's 4 and from all the parenting advice sites etc I gather that this is fairly normal behaviour for a child of his age.

Today when I collected him from school the teacher told me that whilst waiting in line for assembly he grabbed a teacher assistant by the arm quite hard as she was walking past and this was hard enough to leave a little red mark on her arm. His teacher told me that this teacher assistant is new and was quote shocked so instead of asking him what he needed she ignored him and carried om walking. My little boy was then removed from assembly a whllile later by a more senior teacher and was told off. She also asked him why he had done it but by this time he had forgotten. Whilst I understand that isnis never acceptable to grab, he tells me that he didn't know her name and that he wanted to walk with her to assembly.
When his class teacher was relaying all of this to me she made it sound like a had a violet thug for a son. AIBU to think she's made a big deal out of something small or do I need to crack down much harder on him?
Advice needed for a worried mum :(

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Eshmee · 05/07/2024 22:05

ddayvote · 05/07/2024 22:04

agreed.

also see first post and 4 posts reply in- tone changed when she realised what pp thought of her ds behaviour. I did feel sorry for op, as only a mum could do that to protect their child.

What did I do to protect my child :-/

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MrsSunshine2b · 05/07/2024 22:05

Eshmee · 05/07/2024 21:55

No he doesn't. The teachers have actually said there are no issues with his behaviour. He grabbed an adults arm to get her attention. This isn't not a behavioural issue lol

So what are you actually looking for by posting on here?

Your son did something unacceptable and the teacher told you that he had done it.

You imposed consequences at home, which indicates that you also think the behaviour was unacceptable.

You seem quite sure that this was a one-off and your son has no difficulties or issues.

Were you hoping that everyone would tell you it's OK that he grabbed and hurt a member of staff, and that the teacher should have given him/you a round of applause instead?

Ap42 · 05/07/2024 22:05

Eshmee · 05/07/2024 19:02

Is a child grabbing an adults arm 'physical violence' these days? He only wanted to walk with her but didn't know her name and obviously did it a bit too hard. Is that violence?

It sounds like he may have been a bit heavy handed, but no I wouldn't call that physical violence. He's 4 and still learning boundaries and how to regulate his emotions.

ddayvote · 05/07/2024 22:05

Eshmee · 05/07/2024 22:03

Why is there a massive difference between he forgot her name and didn't know it? Just curious

really? you have to ask?

was ds seeing ta for first time or not?

Eshmee · 05/07/2024 22:04

IonaFiona · 05/07/2024 22:01

I think if you don't see whacking or kicking as an issue with behaviour, then I'm afraid there lies the problem

They are boys. There is always going to be the odd whack or kick in the playground. They are in lrimary school Jesus christ. He doesn't do it any more often than any of the other kids in his year.

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ddayvote · 05/07/2024 22:04

Inmydreams88 · 05/07/2024 22:01

Your posts are so contradictory 🤔

agreed.

also see first post and 4 posts reply in- tone changed when she realised what pp thought of her ds behaviour. I did feel sorry for op, as only a mum could do that to protect their child.

Eshmee · 05/07/2024 22:03

Why is there a massive difference between he forgot her name and didn't know it? Just curious

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SnowflakeSparkles · 05/07/2024 22:02

ddayvote · 05/07/2024 21:59

Is it he forgot the name or he didn't know her name? Massive difference. One would make 'grabbing gently I must point out, ok-sh' and the other definitely not ok.

We have also had, TA's first day/new.

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What? Why does it matter if it's okay or not? A 4 year old is sometimes going to do things that are no okay. Blimey.

IonaFiona · 05/07/2024 22:01

I think if you don't see whacking or kicking as an issue with behaviour, then I'm afraid there lies the problem

Inmydreams88 · 05/07/2024 22:01

Eshmee · 05/07/2024 21:55

No he doesn't. The teachers have actually said there are no issues with his behaviour. He grabbed an adults arm to get her attention. This isn't not a behavioural issue lol

Your posts are so contradictory 🤔

IonaFiona · 05/07/2024 22:00

@Eshmee what about the whacking and kicking?

ThatsAFineLookingHighHorse · 05/07/2024 22:00

He's not 'only 4'; he'll be 5 within the next 6 weeks or so.

And he's had an entire Reception year to learn and understand that grabbing people is wrong, especially hard enough to leave a mark on a grown up.

ddayvote · 05/07/2024 21:59

Eshmee · 05/07/2024 21:56

No one upset him. He forgot her name, saw her as she walked oast, decided he wanted to walk with her and grabbed her arm. Obviously too hard. There's no correlation between that, someone having upset him and the fact he plays a PlayStation 2 or 3 times a week.

Is it he forgot the name or he didn't know her name? Massive difference. One would make 'grabbing gently I must point out, ok-sh' and the other definitely not ok.

We have also had, TA's first day/new.

Choochoo21 · 05/07/2024 21:58

There is nothing wrong with a 4yo playing PlayStation or watching Tv etc.

As long as you have a limit to screen time and he’s not in front of it all day, then it’s absolutely fine.

SnowflakeSparkles · 05/07/2024 21:58

Ah OP. I do remember when my DD (first baby) started foundation. She started in 2020 so they spent most of the year in lockdown, and the nursery had also been in lockdown for some weeks before starting.

I remember her teacher (who was lovely tbf) sent me a message to say that DD had had to sit on the bench alone during break because she had blown a raspberry at a child who had snatched a toy off of her quite harshly.

The way she worded it, was like "I'm sure you understand how serious this is". Well, like, yes but why should barely 5 year old DD who has barely been able to leave the house be treated like she would be fully aware that this was some kind of capital crime? I was not impressed tbh.

Sometimes when you are around kids all day and constantly having to remind them of the basics, I think a bit of perspective is lost!

Eshmee · 05/07/2024 21:56

ddayvote · 05/07/2024 21:52

all good. you still haven't said why he needed to 'react' to get attention from ta? You say he reacts when upset etc etc.But who upset him before grabbing TA so hard, just for attention? Only thing I can think of, is the impulse with which he plays his playstation.

There is a disconnect in your explanation of what makes him react and description of what teachers say actually happened. Focus on what teachers said, support them and help your ds.

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No one upset him. He forgot her name, saw her as she walked oast, decided he wanted to walk with her and grabbed her arm. Obviously too hard. There's no correlation between that, someone having upset him and the fact he plays a PlayStation 2 or 3 times a week.

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Eshmee · 05/07/2024 21:55

IonaFiona · 05/07/2024 21:51

"He doesn't have any behavioural issies"

But, he does?

No he doesn't. The teachers have actually said there are no issues with his behaviour. He grabbed an adults arm to get her attention. This isn't not a behavioural issue lol

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JLou08 · 05/07/2024 21:52

Eshmee · 05/07/2024 21:36

I have. I have an older while with ADHD so I have always been really hot on trying to spot any signs of ND. I have asked more than once and both teachers say they have no thoughts of any issues.

In my experience teachers don't really spot the signs and some jump straight to it being intentional behaviour or parent blaming. If you have brought this up with the teacher already I'm guessing you've considered it's a possibility. You know your children better than anyone so if you feel there are some additional needs try and push for support from Senco or school nurse.
Children can become labeled as 'naughty' when they just need extra support to have their needs met.

ddayvote · 05/07/2024 21:52

all good. you still haven't said why he needed to 'react' to get attention from ta? You say he reacts when upset etc etc.But who upset him before grabbing TA so hard, just for attention? Only thing I can think of, is the impulse with which he plays his playstation.

There is a disconnect in your explanation of what makes him react and description of what teachers say actually happened. Focus on what teachers said, support them and help your ds.

IonaFiona · 05/07/2024 21:51

"He doesn't have any behavioural issies"

But, he does?

ScrollingLeaves · 05/07/2024 21:51

Supergirl1958 · 05/07/2024 21:41

The op has explained several times over that it’s not something her sons teachers are concerned about…..

Thank you for explaining, and sorry to be out of step with the OP l, but I was answering this,
Hesma · Today 18:57
No teaching assistant should have to accept being physically assaulted by a child

greengreyblue · 05/07/2024 21:50

For a 4 year old to leave a mark…..

Jezabelle85 · 05/07/2024 21:49

Eshmee · 05/07/2024 18:53

So my little boy is 4. He's in foundation at school and is the youngest in his year. He struggles with regulating his emotions and sometimes when angry or upset will hit rather than use his words to explain what he wants or why he's upset. We have soent alot of time on this explaining how to vocalise what he wants but as I said, he's 4 and from all the parenting advice sites etc I gather that this is fairly normal behaviour for a child of his age.

Today when I collected him from school the teacher told me that whilst waiting in line for assembly he grabbed a teacher assistant by the arm quite hard as she was walking past and this was hard enough to leave a little red mark on her arm. His teacher told me that this teacher assistant is new and was quote shocked so instead of asking him what he needed she ignored him and carried om walking. My little boy was then removed from assembly a whllile later by a more senior teacher and was told off. She also asked him why he had done it but by this time he had forgotten. Whilst I understand that isnis never acceptable to grab, he tells me that he didn't know her name and that he wanted to walk with her to assembly.
When his class teacher was relaying all of this to me she made it sound like a had a violet thug for a son. AIBU to think she's made a big deal out of something small or do I need to crack down much harder on him?
Advice needed for a worried mum :(

Certainly on it’s own I would feel this shouldn’t have been a big deal, but if, as you you say, your DS has form for hitting out, I am guessing it is being treated more seriously, regardless of his intentions.
Working in the Foundation Stage, I often have children tapping, pulling or grabbing at me. I just gently say ‘Please, don’t tap/pull/grab me, I don’t like that. Please, use my name and I can help you.’
If a child had hurt me when grabbing me, I would simply say ‘Ouch, that hurt when you grabbed me, please use your words if you want to talk to me.’
But you said this TA is new so maybe she wasn’t entirely sure how to deal with it in the moment and showed a teacher when they got to assembly.
You said your DS finds it challenging to self regulate, can I ask what support he is getting from the school for this?

Personally, I would not punish your child at home for this, especially as you say it was not his intention to hurt the adult and he has already been told off at school.
I would just explain to him again why it’s important to use gentle hands and help him to make an apology card for the TA.

Eshmee · 05/07/2024 21:49

Supergirl1958 · 05/07/2024 21:43

@Eshmee
it might be nothing, but honestly push for further investigation. If he’s hitting instead of using his words then it could be as simple as needing speech and language investigation but I would honestly say that too many incidents have been reported now for you to believe what his teachers are saying.

What I meant when I said 'instead of using his words' is that if someone hits him or trips him he will do it back rather than say 'please don't do that'. He has no problems with communication or delay etc he just reacts rather than talks. X

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Eshmee · 05/07/2024 21:47

Ceebs85 · 05/07/2024 21:40

YANBU because clearly it wasn't dealt with very well at any point. By foundation, do you mean reception? If so and he's still only 4 I'd seriously be considering whether he should be going into yr 1. I'd be having conversations about him re-doing the year as the expectations on conduct and behaviour in school will only get harsher.

We deferred our youngest for different reasons (started reception just turned 5 rather than just turned 4)

He definitely doesn't need to be deferred and is ready to move up. Teachers have said that even though he's the youngest he is hitting all his targets. He doesn't have any behavioural issies and has lots of friends. He's generally regarded as being kind and polite and social. He's not behind in any areas academically or socially and he gives as many whacks as he takes. At the start if the year I considered it as he was so young but pre school said he was more than ready so I didn't x

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