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To think that my sons teacher is making a big deal out of something quite small

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Eshmee · 05/07/2024 18:53

So my little boy is 4. He's in foundation at school and is the youngest in his year. He struggles with regulating his emotions and sometimes when angry or upset will hit rather than use his words to explain what he wants or why he's upset. We have soent alot of time on this explaining how to vocalise what he wants but as I said, he's 4 and from all the parenting advice sites etc I gather that this is fairly normal behaviour for a child of his age.

Today when I collected him from school the teacher told me that whilst waiting in line for assembly he grabbed a teacher assistant by the arm quite hard as she was walking past and this was hard enough to leave a little red mark on her arm. His teacher told me that this teacher assistant is new and was quote shocked so instead of asking him what he needed she ignored him and carried om walking. My little boy was then removed from assembly a whllile later by a more senior teacher and was told off. She also asked him why he had done it but by this time he had forgotten. Whilst I understand that isnis never acceptable to grab, he tells me that he didn't know her name and that he wanted to walk with her to assembly.
When his class teacher was relaying all of this to me she made it sound like a had a violet thug for a son. AIBU to think she's made a big deal out of something small or do I need to crack down much harder on him?
Advice needed for a worried mum :(

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AnneLovesGilbert · 05/07/2024 19:32

He’s 4 so I’m not sure what he’s ever doing on a PlayStation but no treats for a week is just daft. It’s the end of term, they’re all exhausted. It wasn’t ideal but it’s done now, it’s not age appropriate to string punishments out for a week.

Why not ask him to draw the TA a nice picture and then leave it at that.

If you really think he didn’t remember the incident by the end of the day I’m baffled you’re going to keep bringing it up to explain your punishment for a week.

WiddlinDiddlin · 05/07/2024 19:31

Eshmee · 05/07/2024 19:27

So, his punishments are age appropriate (I hope). He's not allowed to play the play station for a week and is not allowed any treats after school.
He isn't not a regular offender and is generally very good at school. He is not violent or aggressive but if someone upsets him or antagonises him rather than tell the teacher he just reacts which will either usually be a whack on the arm or a kick. I know this behaviour is absolutely not okay. I was glad the teacher told me.

Please tell me you are joking?

For a WEEK? A chat about why grabbing people isn't ok, referring him to how he'd feel if someone grabbed him like that. A reminder on more appropriate ways to get peoples attention... yes. But he's already been spoken to at school and told off for it, so you really do not need to do anything more!

If he's banned from treats AND playstation for a week then what will you do when tomorrow, he makes a small mistake, and the next day? He is 4... he is going to make mistakes. Harsh punishments like this will leave you no where to go and him feeling as if there isn't really any point trying to do right/be good/contain himself!

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Barnabyby · 05/07/2024 19:31

No it's normal for a 4 year old to hit, and even if it was, doesn't mean it's right.

Your child shouldn't be grabbing a TA's arm as hard as that.

Riversideandrelax · 05/07/2024 19:31

Eshmee · 05/07/2024 19:10

I'm sorry but at what point did I in any way suggest that this was okay? I do not think it is okay at all. Appropriate sanctions have been put in place and he is being punished at home.

You're punishing him at home for something that happened at school? That's most likely to be counter productive.

WhatThenEh · 05/07/2024 19:30

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Speaking · 05/07/2024 19:30

Do 4 year olds play playsations?! I'm genuinely curious.

My almost 5 year old wouldn't know what one is. Although I suppose this is probably because he's the first born and my DH and I don't game.

readingmakesmehappy · 05/07/2024 19:28

Donotneedit · 05/07/2024 19:21

You are not unreasonable for questioning whether the school is overreacting, you are sadly unreasonable for thinking you’d get a fair hearing on mumsnet. there seems to be a swarm of 1950s matrons and headmistresses who flock and land on any thread like this, generally disliking little boys and always blaming The Mother regardless of whatever the OP has actually said.

I agree. Kids make mistakes and boys in particular take longer to learn to regulate their emotions. Do you think he may be ND? My son knows on an intellectual level that hitting is wrong but when he gets really frustrated or cross he finds it very very hard to regulate those big feelings.

Eshmee · 05/07/2024 19:27

So, his punishments are age appropriate (I hope). He's not allowed to play the play station for a week and is not allowed any treats after school.
He isn't not a regular offender and is generally very good at school. He is not violent or aggressive but if someone upsets him or antagonises him rather than tell the teacher he just reacts which will either usually be a whack on the arm or a kick. I know this behaviour is absolutely not okay. I was glad the teacher told me.

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sparepantsandtoothbrush · 05/07/2024 19:27

She also asked him why he had done it but by this time he had forgotten

he tells me that he didn't know her name and that he wanted to walk with her to assembly

Either he'd forgotten why he did it or he didn't! I'm a TA and this wouldn't have even registered with me enough to pass it on to the teacher to be honest. I don't think this is anything to do with the hitting either. Those are 2 separate things and I agree the TA has over reacted

Runnerinthenight · 05/07/2024 19:27

@Eshmee how much hitting are we talking? Has he been hitting in school? Did the teacher discuss the hitting with you today?

Namenamchange · 05/07/2024 19:26

Eshmee · 05/07/2024 19:14

I'd just like to clarify that he was NOT lashing out. He just wanted to ask her something and he didn't know her name so grabbed her arm. I'm not saying it's okay, just providing some context.

He grabbed her quite hard, hard enough to leave a mark.
Your son also now has a reputation for hitting, so there was probably an assumption that he lashed out.
There is a bigger picture that you are missing.

My guess will be that one of the children will hit him back quite hard, and your son will get hurt /upset and you will storm down there demanding something is done.

Runnerinthenight · 05/07/2024 19:25

chicken2015 · 05/07/2024 19:23

By saying its normal for children to mark teachers, It sounds like ur minimising, however u say he struggles with regulation and he has done enough Force to leave mark on ta. So he's obviously struggling , I would try to think the teacher is just trying to talk to u about how she and u can support him not assume she thinks a 4 year old is a violet thug!

I'd liked to have seen the 'mark'!! A 4 year old would have to have some grip to do that!

WhatThenEh · 05/07/2024 19:25

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chicken2015 · 05/07/2024 19:23

By saying its normal for children to mark teachers, It sounds like ur minimising, however u say he struggles with regulation and he has done enough Force to leave mark on ta. So he's obviously struggling , I would try to think the teacher is just trying to talk to u about how she and u can support him not assume she thinks a 4 year old is a violet thug!

Runnerinthenight · 05/07/2024 19:23

JudgeJ · 05/07/2024 19:19

Is the TA supposed to stop and interact with every child who grabs her arm? He has a lot to learn about being in school or anywhere, were he to do this with some random person outside school it could end badly.

I think so! She is there in a position of authority. He knew what she was there to do, but didn't know how to attract her attention. I don't see why he would do it so "some random person outside school". Totally different circumstances.

I can absolutely understand how a little boy of 4 might have tried to communicate with her. I don't understand how he left a mark, unless her arm was bare?

FlyingHorses · 05/07/2024 19:22

You ask if the teacher is making too much of a big deal over the arm-grabbing, but it’s not just about that one incident, it’s about the wider picture of hitting that you mentioned. The hitting is not normal behaviour for a nearly 5 year-old. I think the school dealt with it reasonably.

Donotneedit · 05/07/2024 19:21

You are not unreasonable for questioning whether the school is overreacting, you are sadly unreasonable for thinking you’d get a fair hearing on mumsnet. there seems to be a swarm of 1950s matrons and headmistresses who flock and land on any thread like this, generally disliking little boys and always blaming The Mother regardless of whatever the OP has actually said.

Runnerinthenight · 05/07/2024 19:21

Tothebeachdearfriends · 05/07/2024 19:19

We don't know really know the circumstances and what happened and why. I'm just saying that this isn't a one off incident and so the focus should be on what strategies the parents and school can put in place to help the child behave appropriately and self regulate. Reception is very different from year 1, there are much higher expectations and grabbing, hitting and hurting others will not be tolerated.

Yes that would be the sensible approach.

AnneLovesGilbert · 05/07/2024 19:20

What does being punished at home look like? It’s been dealt with at school, beyond a talk at home I’d have left it at that.

School seem concerned it’s part of a pattern of behaviour and poor impulse control. You mention he’s been hitting, is that of other children or only the adults?

JudgeJ · 05/07/2024 19:19

Runnerinthenight · 05/07/2024 19:04

I think the TA and the school over-reacted. They often do tbh. He's only 4, and he was trying to attract their attention. She has a lot to learn about dealing with young children.

Some TAs have a lot worse than that to contend with.

Is the TA supposed to stop and interact with every child who grabs her arm? He has a lot to learn about being in school or anywhere, were he to do this with some random person outside school it could end badly.

Runnerinthenight · 05/07/2024 19:19

Fairydustandsparklylights · 05/07/2024 19:16

Why have you punished him? It’s clear from your messages that you think the school overreacted. He’s already been told off there. I agree with you - it is ott. Why are you letting random mumsnetters make you question yourself and then giving the poor child a punishment at home as a result?

Totally agree - that thought was running through my head while I was typing. There's no need for two punishments. I used to get into trouble for the most stupid things in primary school - think things like being sent out to clean the chalk off the duster (I'm old lol) without a stick to beat it off, and I did it on the wall of a mobile, that level!!) - and my mother would punish me all over again, before she even asked me what happened, when she realised how trivial it was.

Schools sometimes do make mountains out of molehills!

Tothebeachdearfriends · 05/07/2024 19:19

Runnerinthenight · 05/07/2024 19:16

While I'm not entirely disagreeing with your comment, he was removed from assembly and spoken to by a senior teacher because the TA and his class teacher failed to deal with the incident right away when it happened.

We don't know really know the circumstances and what happened and why. I'm just saying that this isn't a one off incident and so the focus should be on what strategies the parents and school can put in place to help the child behave appropriately and self regulate. Reception is very different from year 1, there are much higher expectations and grabbing, hitting and hurting others will not be tolerated.

FrenchFancie · 05/07/2024 19:19

If he’s in reception / foundation he is nearly 5, been in school nearly a year and should know by now that hitting / grabbing someone is unacceptable. He must have done it with a bit of force to leave a mark on an adult. (Did he scrape her with his nails by accident?).

all in all, the school is right to tell you and you should continue to enforce at home that hitting / grabbing is unacceptable even when feeling cross.

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