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To think that my sons teacher is making a big deal out of something quite small

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Eshmee · 05/07/2024 18:53

So my little boy is 4. He's in foundation at school and is the youngest in his year. He struggles with regulating his emotions and sometimes when angry or upset will hit rather than use his words to explain what he wants or why he's upset. We have soent alot of time on this explaining how to vocalise what he wants but as I said, he's 4 and from all the parenting advice sites etc I gather that this is fairly normal behaviour for a child of his age.

Today when I collected him from school the teacher told me that whilst waiting in line for assembly he grabbed a teacher assistant by the arm quite hard as she was walking past and this was hard enough to leave a little red mark on her arm. His teacher told me that this teacher assistant is new and was quote shocked so instead of asking him what he needed she ignored him and carried om walking. My little boy was then removed from assembly a whllile later by a more senior teacher and was told off. She also asked him why he had done it but by this time he had forgotten. Whilst I understand that isnis never acceptable to grab, he tells me that he didn't know her name and that he wanted to walk with her to assembly.
When his class teacher was relaying all of this to me she made it sound like a had a violet thug for a son. AIBU to think she's made a big deal out of something small or do I need to crack down much harder on him?
Advice needed for a worried mum :(

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GoFigure235 · 05/07/2024 19:40

hithereyou · 05/07/2024 19:34

The punishments are overkill IMO. You’d be far better off putting your energy into keeping a record of any social communication difficulties and working through school-based scenarios with him, using a puppet/teddies etc in a really positive way. The fact he didnt remember suggests that he really didn’t intend to hurt anyone. Of course he can’t continue hitting or grabbing but actions taken towards supporting him with that would probably be better use of your time. You don’t want him to lash out more because he develops low self-esteem. Save the punishments/sanctions for when he KNOWS what to do but still does wrong- when you are sure he has been taught and supported positively.

I agree with this.

If in any doubt, it's best to respond positively to behaviour and focus on how to move forward.

You will feel much better about your son and your parenting if you spend some time roleplaying social scenarios with teddies/soft toys than you will enforcing punishments all week.

scotstars · 05/07/2024 19:40

If this was behaviour all children were doing the school wouldn't be alerting you to it. Your child will have been at school almost a year they should know rules and be able to communicate needs without hurting others. It doesn't sound like they are making him out to be violent simply keeping you informed on an issue they and you need to work with him on. What happens if a child is playing with a toy he wants and he doesn't want to ask would it be OK for him to grab and mark another child?

mitogoshi · 05/07/2024 19:39

It's never acceptable to hit, not at 4 even, he's been at school nearly a year too. Grabbing enough to make a mark is unacceptable too. Don't minimalize bad behaviour. Remember if your child hits out someone else is being hit and that isn't fair

Eshmee · 05/07/2024 19:39

Supergirl1958 · 05/07/2024 19:37

This!
My son aged 4 (going into reception in September) hits, scratches, bites and spits. He has an ehcp and 1:1 support based on his semh needs!

Im also a reception teacher and have never experienced this from a child. It’s likely this needs further investigation. Please ask the school for next steps and maybe a neurodev referral

I have already asked both his teachers (it's a 2 teacher class) if they have any concerns about possible ND and they have both said no. They say that generally he is pleasant and well behaved in class but if someone is unkind to him he'll hit rather than tell a teacher.

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RunningThroughMyHead · 05/07/2024 19:39

Eshmee · 05/07/2024 19:37

What type of parent am I exactly? My older son has a ps5 and they play together. He plays Disney cars and Paw patrol at the weekend. Does that make me a bad parent if he's done all his reading and spelling etc?

A parent who won't address their child's poor behaviour and who would rather blame others and underplay situations.

No one's saying you don't care about him or aren't good in other ways. But yes, your approach to discipline and behaviour management is very off.

Eshmee · 05/07/2024 19:37

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What type of parent am I exactly? My older son has a ps5 and they play together. He plays Disney cars and Paw patrol at the weekend. Does that make me a bad parent if he's done all his reading and spelling etc?

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Supergirl1958 · 05/07/2024 19:37

Sirzy · 05/07/2024 18:59

A child hitting in reception isn’t normal.

You need to meet with the school and discuss how best to tackle things to ensure that his needs are met and that staff aren’t being subjected to violence.

This!
My son aged 4 (going into reception in September) hits, scratches, bites and spits. He has an ehcp and 1:1 support based on his semh needs!

Im also a reception teacher and have never experienced this from a child. It’s likely this needs further investigation. Please ask the school for next steps and maybe a neurodev referral

RunningThroughMyHead · 05/07/2024 19:37

I have a 6yr old and a 3yr old, id be mortified if they did that. Hitting is never acceptable, it's to be expected at home sometimes where they're comfortable but at school? Hell no.

Time you wise up. He's four but he should know what's right or wrong. The school handled it the best they could.

Rather than worry about your son, you should be reinforcing their message and cracking down on his poor behaviour. That's one of your main jobs as his parents.

Timeturnerplease · 05/07/2024 19:37

Please don’t let your four year old play on a PlayStation. Fast paced screen games like that have been proven to increase the part of the brain that reacts, causing impulsivity and inappropriate physical responses. Don’t take it away as a punishment; keep him off it for the sake of his brain development.

Didshejustsaythatoutloud · 05/07/2024 19:37

It was handled all wrong by the TA, it should have been spoken about at the time! Children that age live in the moment, he would have been bewildered by the telling off he received some minutes after the event!
Speak to your wee one about being a bit grabby, then forget it x
Good luck

Notreallybarbie1 · 05/07/2024 19:36

I think this is all a bit much. He’s 4. I would be reluctant to punish so harshly. He’s impulsive and trying to get someone’s attention. The time to address it was at the time, by the TA - I think going forward I would ask the teachers to address it immediately as it is too late by the end of the day. This is not the sum total of who your child is; you are working with him and guiding him. I wish you all well.

viques · 05/07/2024 19:36

Eshmee · 05/07/2024 19:27

So, his punishments are age appropriate (I hope). He's not allowed to play the play station for a week and is not allowed any treats after school.
He isn't not a regular offender and is generally very good at school. He is not violent or aggressive but if someone upsets him or antagonises him rather than tell the teacher he just reacts which will either usually be a whack on the arm or a kick. I know this behaviour is absolutely not okay. I was glad the teacher told me.

I think if you are talking about an over reaction your punishments at home are really out of proportion. This is something that happened at school, so apart from talking to him very firmly about what happened and maybe modelling ways of asking for what he wants, additional punishment at home that goes on for a week is overkill. Do you expect the school to give him additional punishments for incidents that happen at home? Of course you don’t. Yes you are right to support the school, but don’t confuse the issue by inappropriate punishment at home.

mumedu · 05/07/2024 19:36

It is very unusual for a child to be removed from assembly. I've never seen it in the 10 years I've been working in schools.

GoFigure235 · 05/07/2024 19:36

Your punishments at home are over the top. He's 4 - he's probably forgotten the whole thing already. Just give him a hug and remind him going forward that we don't hit or grab others.

DaftyLass · 05/07/2024 19:36

A whack, or a kick , are violent though....

Growuppeople · 05/07/2024 19:36

Hesma · 05/07/2024 18:57

No teaching assistant should have to accept being physically assaulted by a child

He’s four ffs, seriously have a word with yourself

i get a red mark from a tiny bump teacher is ridiculous

Depressedbarbie · 05/07/2024 19:36

Hello, reception teacher here. 4, and at the end of his reception year, is too old for him to be suddenly grabbing out at a ta he didn't know and wanting to walk in with them. He should know by now that isn't how it works. He should know well that you line up and go in with your form. First few weeks of reception, understandable. Not at this point. Also, doesn't sound like he was struggling with his emotions here. Lashing out in anger is more common at this age, and lota of children are still working on it. BUT, that said, also sounds like the adults handled it really poorly!!! Absolutely no need for a senior teacher to pull him out and tell him off, and of course he'd forgotten by then. I would have expected that even if the new ta didn't know how to handle it and reported it, that the class teacher would just have reminded him what to do, and potentially support him to speak with the ta and apologise for hurting them.

hithereyou · 05/07/2024 19:35

I’m a SENDCo.

hithereyou · 05/07/2024 19:34

The punishments are overkill IMO. You’d be far better off putting your energy into keeping a record of any social communication difficulties and working through school-based scenarios with him, using a puppet/teddies etc in a really positive way. The fact he didnt remember suggests that he really didn’t intend to hurt anyone. Of course he can’t continue hitting or grabbing but actions taken towards supporting him with that would probably be better use of your time. You don’t want him to lash out more because he develops low self-esteem. Save the punishments/sanctions for when he KNOWS what to do but still does wrong- when you are sure he has been taught and supported positively.

mumedu · 05/07/2024 19:34

Eshmee · 05/07/2024 18:53

So my little boy is 4. He's in foundation at school and is the youngest in his year. He struggles with regulating his emotions and sometimes when angry or upset will hit rather than use his words to explain what he wants or why he's upset. We have soent alot of time on this explaining how to vocalise what he wants but as I said, he's 4 and from all the parenting advice sites etc I gather that this is fairly normal behaviour for a child of his age.

Today when I collected him from school the teacher told me that whilst waiting in line for assembly he grabbed a teacher assistant by the arm quite hard as she was walking past and this was hard enough to leave a little red mark on her arm. His teacher told me that this teacher assistant is new and was quote shocked so instead of asking him what he needed she ignored him and carried om walking. My little boy was then removed from assembly a whllile later by a more senior teacher and was told off. She also asked him why he had done it but by this time he had forgotten. Whilst I understand that isnis never acceptable to grab, he tells me that he didn't know her name and that he wanted to walk with her to assembly.
When his class teacher was relaying all of this to me she made it sound like a had a violet thug for a son. AIBU to think she's made a big deal out of something small or do I need to crack down much harder on him?
Advice needed for a worried mum :(

Gosh, you are not doing him any favours for brushing aside violent behaviour. Teacher here. No, this is not expected behaviour for a 4 year old. Does he have special needs?

GoFigure235 · 05/07/2024 19:34

Children are works in progress. Yes, in an ideal world, they wouldn't hit or grab people's arms, but it's up to the school and you to work together to guide him to this stage.

I agree that the school were right to tell you, but I would have thought it would be done in an "FYI" kind of way - "FYI, this was the behaviour, this was our response". I would have very little patience for an accusatory "OMG your son is unacceptably violent" type of response because little children often physically misbehave or fail to act appropriately and the school should know how to put the behaviour in perspective and have strategies to address it, otherwise they're pretty poor. I would have no time for a school that had histrionics every time one 4yo hit another. They need to be able to deal with normal child misbehaviour without getting it out of proportion.

howshouldibehave · 05/07/2024 19:33

It doesn’t sound like the teacher overreacted at all. I would expect no child who has been in Reception for a year, to be hitting others. I would expect they would know they can’t just walk to assembly with any passing person they like the look of and I would definitely expect them to know that they shouldn’t grab hold of adults so hard it leaves a mark.

Unless, there is some kind of SEN.

Riversideandrelax · 05/07/2024 19:33

Eshmee · 05/07/2024 19:27

So, his punishments are age appropriate (I hope). He's not allowed to play the play station for a week and is not allowed any treats after school.
He isn't not a regular offender and is generally very good at school. He is not violent or aggressive but if someone upsets him or antagonises him rather than tell the teacher he just reacts which will either usually be a whack on the arm or a kick. I know this behaviour is absolutely not okay. I was glad the teacher told me.

Not allowed any treats for how long? I thought it was bad enough you were punishing him at home but you're giving him multiple sanctions over a week? He will not relate this to the 'crime'. Are you not able to talk to him and guide him in his behaviour?

Choochoo21 · 05/07/2024 19:33

He grabbed her hard enough to leave a mark - of course that’s not ok.

If he does that to another child, he could really hurt them.

This behaviour does need keeping an eye on.

But he doesn’t need to be punished.

A quick explanation about not grabbing or hurting people and perhaps an apology to the TA would have been sufficient.

If it happens again, then he’d need to be punished appropriately.

Runnerinthenight · 05/07/2024 19:32

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