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To think that my sons teacher is making a big deal out of something quite small

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Eshmee · 05/07/2024 18:53

So my little boy is 4. He's in foundation at school and is the youngest in his year. He struggles with regulating his emotions and sometimes when angry or upset will hit rather than use his words to explain what he wants or why he's upset. We have soent alot of time on this explaining how to vocalise what he wants but as I said, he's 4 and from all the parenting advice sites etc I gather that this is fairly normal behaviour for a child of his age.

Today when I collected him from school the teacher told me that whilst waiting in line for assembly he grabbed a teacher assistant by the arm quite hard as she was walking past and this was hard enough to leave a little red mark on her arm. His teacher told me that this teacher assistant is new and was quote shocked so instead of asking him what he needed she ignored him and carried om walking. My little boy was then removed from assembly a whllile later by a more senior teacher and was told off. She also asked him why he had done it but by this time he had forgotten. Whilst I understand that isnis never acceptable to grab, he tells me that he didn't know her name and that he wanted to walk with her to assembly.
When his class teacher was relaying all of this to me she made it sound like a had a violet thug for a son. AIBU to think she's made a big deal out of something small or do I need to crack down much harder on him?
Advice needed for a worried mum :(

OP posts:
IonaFiona · 05/07/2024 20:03

@Runnerinthenight

"If you say so"

To use your patronising tone...how is a PS for a 4 YO healthy, PRAY TELL?

RawBloomers · 05/07/2024 20:03

Sounds like you have a handle on your DS, OP. Though I think a week long punishment for a 4 year old child is probably overkill and will have no more effect than doing it for 1 night. It would have been far more effective for the TA to have stopped and immediately ask him to be more gentle than having a senior teacher tell him off later and you apply sanctions at home.

I hope they are also providing some advice and training support to the TA.

Runnerinthenight · 05/07/2024 20:02

Thinkbiglittleone · 05/07/2024 19:55

I'm picturing a little 4 year old hand. How would they exert enough force to leave a mark? It must have been a pretty small mark!

Exactly, how much force to leave a mark. It needs addressing.

Oh FGS!

IonaFiona · 05/07/2024 20:01

@Runnerinthenight

"He is not violent or aggressive but if someone upsets him or antagonises him rather than tell the teacher he just reacts which will either usually be a whack on the arm or a kick."

IonaFiona · 05/07/2024 20:01

@Runnerinthenight

Errm, the OPs 5th post on this thread? She literally says it.

MargaretThursday · 05/07/2024 20:00

Runnerinthenight · 05/07/2024 19:05

I don't think it's abnormal either?

I think it is abnormal to grab hard enough to leave a mark.

I used to sometimes look after a 5yo who had behavioural issues due to trauma (friend's child not school). When she was overwhelmed she did sometimes find it helpful to squeeze hard something, and at times that was my arm. Yes, it sometimes left marks, but that was with her squeezing with all of her strength or putting her nails in. When she was playing, or grabbing me for attention, then she never did.

Jeannie88 · 05/07/2024 19:59

bigTillyMint · 05/07/2024 19:09

Did he go to nursery? @Eshmee

Has he been in reception a full year?

I can’t see how a 4yo could make a mark in an adults arm doing that unless he is huge. And an adult working in a school setting (even if new) should be prepared for children who need support with communication and social skills.

Believe me it can happen. Xx

JMSA · 05/07/2024 19:59

Aww, I can imagine how worried you must be OP Flowers
The TA better get over her shock sharpish! In the grand scheme of things, it's not a big deal.
First child I was placed with (5), I used to go home black and blue!

SoOriginal · 05/07/2024 19:59

He’s 4 and I would have been upset that he was ignored by the teacher regardless of how he reached out, he’s 4 and still learning. But I voted YABU as you seem to minimise the hitting behaviour and dismiss it as something kids his age do, I don’t think that’s true. You should be less flippant. On the whole the school have identified behaviour they need you to address and have been quick to communicate that to you. That’s positive!

Also, no 4 year old on the planet should be exposed to video games, regardless of what his older brother does! This won’t be helping his behaviour so find suitable alternative ways for him to connect with his siblings.

Jeannie88 · 05/07/2024 19:58

You have been told what's happening, which I was, same type of behaviour. Please prepare yourself that this really isn't what is considered expected behaviour for NT children. You will be advised to look into possible reasons and support. Don't take this in a defensive way. It may be short term or life long issues, just try to engage and get to the bottom of what is causing it. Xx

Gul8 · 05/07/2024 19:58

No, it's not fairly normal behaviour or ok for your child to hit anyone or to hurt anyone physically or otherwise.

Parenting is having boundaries for your children revolving around kindness, politeness and respect for other people.
Children need to know that certain behaviours like hitting aren't acceptable. You can't just keep explaining it away as "only 4/5 years old so doesn't know any better" - errm of course they do and it's your job to make sure you teach them boundaries so they know better.

IonaFiona · 05/07/2024 19:58

DaftyLass · 05/07/2024 19:36

A whack, or a kick , are violent though....

Oh but of course, it's not his fault...it's because the other kids were being mean to him Hmm

Jifmicroliquid · 05/07/2024 19:57

A 4-year old on a PlayStation?
I’m really against young children on consoles, having seen the change in my friends 7 year old son once he got access to one (albeit limited).

Please don’t downplay what your son did. I know he’s only 4, but it’s not acceptable to grab people and you’ve admitted yourself he has trouble regulating his emotions. I think he might have grabbed her in temper and that’s why the school are bringing it to your attention.

Eshmee · 05/07/2024 19:56

Roundroundthegarden · 05/07/2024 19:47

Instead of being embarrassed about your child hurting someone else, you're here complaining that what he did wasn't a big deal. That tells you all you need to know about the type of parent you are op. At 4, he should know hitting is not acceptable. And I can guarantee you that being on the PS at 4 is why he 'struggles' to regulate himself. How utterly ridiculous- his consequences are no PS at 4!! At 4!

They type of parent thay let I am? Excellent, I'm totally here for the mum shaming. I am clearly concerned about it and am trying to implement punishments. What should I be doing?

OP posts:
RunningThroughMyHead · 05/07/2024 19:55

Eshmee · 05/07/2024 19:41

I'm confused about how I am not addressing the behaviour? I've said that I know it wasn't right and that he is bring punished? What else should I be doing?

Not posting a thread about a school that's managing your son's poor behaviour?

What's the point of this thread? The school were reasonable.

Thinkbiglittleone · 05/07/2024 19:55

I'm picturing a little 4 year old hand. How would they exert enough force to leave a mark? It must have been a pretty small mark!

Exactly, how much force to leave a mark. It needs addressing.

User79853257976 · 05/07/2024 19:55

Barnabyby · 05/07/2024 19:31

No it's normal for a 4 year old to hit, and even if it was, doesn't mean it's right.

Your child shouldn't be grabbing a TA's arm as hard as that.

They don’t have full self restraint until they are at least 7.

hithereyou · 05/07/2024 19:55

I think it’s about context. He has a history of hitting, so being physical does seem to be something that he relies on when communicating; this needs to be addressed.

The TA may have reacted as they did due to a lack of confidence for one thing, especially if they’re new. We also don’t know if your DS was the 10th child to be physical with them on that day; it really is a possibility! I don’t understand the pulling out of assembly thing, long after the event. Bizarre!

What you could ask school to help you do is to keep an Antecedent Behaviour Plan which is about noticing what comes before the physical acts. Trust me, his peers are doing all sort of things that would be deemed socially unacceptable. However, everybody deserves to be safe at school and he needs support now.

Badgertime · 05/07/2024 19:55

Riversideandrelax · 05/07/2024 19:47

If you are concerned you should follow it up. Teachers aren't really the best people to ask.

'generally' is the key word.

I work in school and see this quite a lot. It's more often the TAs on poor wages that are the targets.

My children didn't have any consoles until they were much older and my youngest (now 11) was about 9.
The girls have never really been bothered with the PS4 or Xbox but it has totally changed my son (when he's on it) for the worse. He struggles with making friends (though he's never been physical at school) and I feel guilty it's become his go to.

I do believe they have a profound affect on SEMH especially in boys.

Runnerinthenight · 05/07/2024 19:54

IonaFiona · 05/07/2024 19:53

No PS for way longer than a week is actually what is probably needed here tbf.

If you say so.

Ohohh737474784 · 05/07/2024 19:54

Also it is very common for them to still hit in reception. Don’t fell like your son is the odd one out.

Runnerinthenight · 05/07/2024 19:54

IonaFiona · 05/07/2024 19:51

He hits and kicks when others get his goat.

I suspect his version of events aren't quite accurate.

Where did you extrapolate the kicking from, pray tell?

Castleview6 · 05/07/2024 19:54

Eshmee · 05/07/2024 19:27

So, his punishments are age appropriate (I hope). He's not allowed to play the play station for a week and is not allowed any treats after school.
He isn't not a regular offender and is generally very good at school. He is not violent or aggressive but if someone upsets him or antagonises him rather than tell the teacher he just reacts which will either usually be a whack on the arm or a kick. I know this behaviour is absolutely not okay. I was glad the teacher told me.

He struggles with regulating his emotions and sometimes when angry or upset will hit rather than use his words to explain what he wants or why he's upset.

You're contradicting yourself as you’ve already said he hits. It’s not common for reception children to hurt staff and I’m pleased you’re supporting school with this by having consequences at home. Maybe consider if a play station is a-pro-ate for a 4 year old and may not be supporting his language development.

IonaFiona · 05/07/2024 19:53

BirthdayRainbow · 05/07/2024 19:47

No PlayStation for a week is harsh.

No PS for way longer than a week is actually what is probably needed here tbf.

Runnerinthenight · 05/07/2024 19:52

IonaFiona · 05/07/2024 19:51

He hits and kicks when others get his goat.

I suspect his version of events aren't quite accurate.

4 year olds aren't renowned for their skills of recall.

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