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hello1111 · 05/07/2024 16:50

I’m outwardly a very polite, quiet and reserved woman in my late 30’s. I believe I’m a people pleaser and often put up with crappy behaviour with a big smile on my face. Even rude service I smile back and think they must be having a bad day and try to put myself in their shoes (A phrase my mum and teachers often said to me growing up).

I know many on mumsnet will try to twist this but I need to be clear I am not a “chatty” person I was just trying to make polite small talk till the event started then I would have stopped talking :

At a school event today for the entire school (primary) i attended and ended up sitting next to a lady I didn’t know. I politely said hello with a smile and she said hello and she made chit chat with people behind about how her son is performing something. I asked her (after her conversation was ended in case someone said I butted in) what year her child is in and she got really weird! I stopped talking to her and focused on getting my phone ready to take pics for the event. Coming home I feel really angry as I was just making small talk and she was acting like I’m planning a kidnap operation of her child! I wish I had said something to her. How would you have responded? I want to get rid of this nicely nicely persona I have. I hate myself for sitting there whilst she was being arsey to me for no reason.

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Comedycook · 05/07/2024 18:21

Trytobekinder · 05/07/2024 17:57

I wouldn't care less whether other mothers might think I was rude to somebody who was as rude as this woman was. By the way, if a group of women were so easily swayed I'd think they weren't particularly intelligent. Luckily, I come from a country that doesn't have a tradition of the "school run". Our children largely get themselves to school by foot, train or bus or we simply drop them off at the gate and leave. A private school one of my children once attended actually said that parents should not be on school grounds without a good reason.

In theory I couldn't give a shit either. But a group of mums took a dislike to me many years ago and my DD was not invited on playdates or to parties...

ArseholeCatIsABlackAndWhiteCat · 05/07/2024 17:59

@Trytobekinder can you explain exactly how and why this woman was rude?

Trytobekinder · 05/07/2024 17:57

Comedycook · 05/07/2024 17:00

And I agree she was rude..but I'd say at the school gate, exercise caution. You may have to see these women many more times and they might know someone who knows someone who gossips that you were rude and before you know it, they're all against you.

I wouldn't care less whether other mothers might think I was rude to somebody who was as rude as this woman was. By the way, if a group of women were so easily swayed I'd think they weren't particularly intelligent. Luckily, I come from a country that doesn't have a tradition of the "school run". Our children largely get themselves to school by foot, train or bus or we simply drop them off at the gate and leave. A private school one of my children once attended actually said that parents should not be on school grounds without a good reason.

Bleurfghjj · 05/07/2024 17:53

hello1111 · 05/07/2024 17:43

You’re very funny! Ofcourse on an anonymous forum I can be like this! Do u honestly think most of mumsnetters are like this in RL? Have u read responses in AIBU? You think the whole world is really what they are online 😂

Would also be absolutely bonkers for someone to read all this into one sentence of polite small talk 😂😂😂

I’m imagining one of those movie scenes where there’s a visual of someone’s eye rushing into the centre of their brain so you know the character is a savant having a vision 💆🏼‍♀️

GlindaGossamer · 05/07/2024 17:53

The other woman sounds a bit weird.

Epicaricacy · 05/07/2024 17:50

hello1111 · 05/07/2024 17:43

You’re very funny! Ofcourse on an anonymous forum I can be like this! Do u honestly think most of mumsnetters are like this in RL? Have u read responses in AIBU? You think the whole world is really what they are online 😂

I think most posters are, or wish, they were like they post in real life. They might not show it, they might be too shy, wanting to avoid confrontation or have plenty of reasons, but I do think people show exactly who they really are on here. It's anomyous, there's no consequence, no judgement. This is a fascinating insight on what SOME people really think or say behind your back.

Most of us wouldn't have given 1 thought to that 10 seconds interaction. You are the one being miffed about it, and needing to start an entire thread.

So yes, it says a lot about you.

I genuinely find it fascinating to read that some people are putting so much importance on things I barely notice at school, or work and so on.

hello1111 · 05/07/2024 17:43

Crazycatlady79 · 05/07/2024 17:39

Nothing you have written here suggests that you are a people pleaser. Instead, you come across as rather resentful.

Perhaps people sense your incongruity and the other Mum bristled because you sounded fake/clearly didn't give a shit what year her child is in?!

You’re very funny! Ofcourse on an anonymous forum I can be like this! Do u honestly think most of mumsnetters are like this in RL? Have u read responses in AIBU? You think the whole world is really what they are online 😂

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LoveWine123 · 05/07/2024 17:42

hello1111 · 05/07/2024 17:26

@RinsedIfOwned exactly! I wouldn’t have carried on talking to her! I would have sensed she’s not up for talking and left it. I am also suprised as I would have expected most people to start a fight with her.

This is such an extreme reaction to something quite minor.

ArseholeCatIsABlackAndWhiteCat · 05/07/2024 17:41

hello1111 · 05/07/2024 17:33

@ArseholeCatIsABlackAndWhiteCat that’s really strange! So in your viewpoint we shouldn’t make small conversations with people? That’s a very sad viewpoint and your username is very fitting.

I couldn’t give the slightest crap who her child is or wHat year. I was making small talk. I think it’s because you’re hiding behind a keyboard so easy for you to act like an arsehole by saying this. Most normal people make small talk.

Yes, but if someone doesn't want to, for whatever reason, it's not a normal reaction to get angry or start a fight. Now that, would be an arsehole.

Well done for sniping at me and the personal attack, you do have it in you after all.Grin

Crazycatlady79 · 05/07/2024 17:39

Nothing you have written here suggests that you are a people pleaser. Instead, you come across as rather resentful.

Perhaps people sense your incongruity and the other Mum bristled because you sounded fake/clearly didn't give a shit what year her child is in?!

hello1111 · 05/07/2024 17:33

@ArseholeCatIsABlackAndWhiteCat that’s really strange! So in your viewpoint we shouldn’t make small conversations with people? That’s a very sad viewpoint and your username is very fitting.

I couldn’t give the slightest crap who her child is or wHat year. I was making small talk. I think it’s because you’re hiding behind a keyboard so easy for you to act like an arsehole by saying this. Most normal people make small talk.

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ArseholeCatIsABlackAndWhiteCat · 05/07/2024 17:31

hello1111 · 05/07/2024 17:26

@RinsedIfOwned exactly! I wouldn’t have carried on talking to her! I would have sensed she’s not up for talking and left it. I am also suprised as I would have expected most people to start a fight with her.

You have a very skewed view of what not being a people pleaser is.

ArseholeCatIsABlackAndWhiteCat · 05/07/2024 17:30

I think the issue is that this scenario doesn't fit the question. Nothing to be angry about. Nothing to respond in a snarky way about either.

The thing is, you don't have the right to that information whereas she has every right to choose what information she discloses about her child and to whom. It's not rude. Maybe not polite, but not rude.

I think a lot of people that see it that way are people pleasers too so would never do anything like that because it's not nice or kind or polite.

Maybe instead of getting angry, start with reaffirming that you don't owe anyone your time, or answers or anything like that, especially complete strangers. Baby steps.

hello1111 · 05/07/2024 17:26

@RinsedIfOwned exactly! I wouldn’t have carried on talking to her! I would have sensed she’s not up for talking and left it. I am also suprised as I would have expected most people to start a fight with her.

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RinsedIfOwned · 05/07/2024 17:20

Very interesting responses. I'm a people pleaser just like you OP and this is absolutely a situation I'd have said ignored it like a deer in headlights but would assume most people would have "said something" to call her out on her rudeness. Not anything crazy but just sort of defending themselves in an assertive way.

Evidently that's not the case!

I do think she was being very rude though. Your question was totally innocent and normal.

If she wasn't in the mood for chat she could have just said "year 3" politely and turned back away without asking you any questions in return. I am guessing it would very quickly have become apparent she wasn't interested in a chat but without the aggressive "why?" as if you're some sort of kidnapper.

hello1111 · 05/07/2024 17:12

@Brandonsflowers really good advice! Thank you. So make it factual. Would you use any emotion or just state it?

have you always been confident or is it a skill you’ve developed? If so how?

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Brandonsflowers · 05/07/2024 17:11

Agree with others, the best reaction was ignore her, which you did.

Often ignoring people and silence is the best option. Why waste your energy getting angry and annoyed about this nonsense when you can just let it go?!

I've found that a good tip though for being more assertive in difficult situations is to take out all emotion just stick to the facts.
'I asked for this, not that'
'I've not received what I ordered'
'This isn't what I ordered'

If someone makes a smart arse dig or put down, ask them to repeat it. That's my favourite one.

You don't need to be an arsehole to be assertive.

Epicaricacy · 05/07/2024 17:09

Maybe she thought you were really rude because it seemed you were listening to her conversation and then joining in.

Maybe she just wasn't in the mood for boring small talk with some random, was polite enough with people she knew but didn't want to have to carry on with a stranger.

Bleurfghjj · 05/07/2024 17:04

I think the appropriate thing was to ignore, as you did. Who knows what her issue was.

Watch out for overcorrection OP!

hello1111 · 05/07/2024 17:02

Comedycook · 05/07/2024 17:00

And I agree she was rude..but I'd say at the school gate, exercise caution. You may have to see these women many more times and they might know someone who knows someone who gossips that you were rude and before you know it, they're all against you.

Good advice!

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ButtSurgery · 05/07/2024 17:01

hello1111 · 05/07/2024 17:01

Are you okay? I would have asked the question to anyone I was sat next to and I successfully did to the person on my left and she didn’t react like that. Is that how you react to polite conversation?

No, but it's how she reacted specifically to you and your actual question.

hello1111 · 05/07/2024 17:01

ButtSurgery · 05/07/2024 16:57

Well, you randomly asked a follow on question of a complete stranger after listening to her conversation - perhaps she doesn't want to talk to strangers. Perhaps she found you too intense. Perhaps she's got selective mutism. Perhaps she found it a weird intrusion.

In any case, not a situation to get shirty in.

Are you okay? I would have asked the question to anyone I was sat next to and I successfully did to the person on my left and she didn’t react like that. Is that how you react to polite conversation?

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Comedycook · 05/07/2024 17:00

hello1111 · 05/07/2024 16:58

No I’ve never met her before. I have an excellent memory for faces and if that was true she could have mentioned it. So you (non-people pleasers) would have just ignored? That’s interesting I always thought people would respond back and it was just me being a coward not responding.

And I agree she was rude..but I'd say at the school gate, exercise caution. You may have to see these women many more times and they might know someone who knows someone who gossips that you were rude and before you know it, they're all against you.

LoveWine123 · 05/07/2024 17:00

hello1111 · 05/07/2024 16:58

No I’ve never met her before. I have an excellent memory for faces and if that was true she could have mentioned it. So you (non-people pleasers) would have just ignored? That’s interesting I always thought people would respond back and it was just me being a coward not responding.

I think it’s worth saying something (not necessarily getting angry as that’s quite a strong response) if people are trying to take advantage of you for example. But if someone is just being an asshole, I don’t always find it’s worth stooping to their level.

hello1111 · 05/07/2024 17:00

Comedycook · 05/07/2024 16:57

Maybe you could have said

"I don't actually care, I'm just making chit chat" big smile, turn your back

By being “angry” that’s exactly what I meant! I wish I could have said that.

sorry I think I didn’t write my op clearly - I don’t mean angry as in start throwing chairs at her lol! I meant be more assertive but with a tone like “ I actually don’t give a crap who your kid is I was just making small talk” without the crap obviously

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