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1 in 4 voters still Tory

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User135644 · 05/07/2024 15:06

After the last 14 years how have they still got so many voters for this election (which was lost long ago)? And that's despite loads of Tories going Reform as a protest. Labour only just over 1 in 3.

They'll be back again for sure. Really is a Tory country.

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BuffaloCauliflower · 05/07/2024 16:51

@BrigadierEtienneGerard what other decisions do you make based on 45 year old information though? I don’t think todays Labour are the same as 1977 any more than I think todays Tories are the same as 1977. My mum voted for Thatcher in 79. She votes Labour now. The country is different, the parties are different too.

Meraas · 05/07/2024 16:19

WiseBiscuit · 05/07/2024 16:13

Agree entirely!

The Conservatives deserved the loss, I still voted for them but they created this on themselves. I hope that a spell in opposition will be the making of them.

Just hope Labour are a wet lettuce and can’t deliver much at all.

The last spell as opposition didn't do much for them.

It's a bit weird to hope Labour are a wet lettuce and don't deliver much? Seems really counter-productive to only want things from one party.

OnlyTheBravest · 05/07/2024 16:18

You can only vote for who stands in your constituency. A number of my friends usually vote Tory but did not want to vote for Reform/UKIP/Tory parties. They lean to the right but with some left principles as well.
Lib dems and Greens were out for them (TWAW and student fees) and felt that they could not support the Labour manifesto either. A fair few did not vote at all or spoilt their ballot.

Adviceneeeeded · 05/07/2024 16:13

Thank you @cupcaske123

PickAChew · 05/07/2024 16:13

BluebirdBoogie · 05/07/2024 15:10

It's all those with children at private school who don't want to pay VAT.

You are not a great ad for state schools as that is not 1/4 of the electorate.

WiseBiscuit · 05/07/2024 16:13

WinnieWimbledon · 05/07/2024 16:11

Politicians aren’t the best and the brightest. The current batch is corrupt and idiotic too.

I’m angry with the massive fuck up of the Conservative Party. Absolute shit show in government. I’ll never be a socialist though, so for me, Conservative is the least worse option.

Hoping an opposition will form against Labour, but with none of the current Conservative crew in place!!

Agree entirely!

The Conservatives deserved the loss, I still voted for them but they created this on themselves. I hope that a spell in opposition will be the making of them.

Just hope Labour are a wet lettuce and can’t deliver much at all.

WinnieWimbledon · 05/07/2024 16:11

Politicians aren’t the best and the brightest. The current batch is corrupt and idiotic too.

I’m angry with the massive fuck up of the Conservative Party. Absolute shit show in government. I’ll never be a socialist though, so for me, Conservative is the least worse option.

Hoping an opposition will form against Labour, but with none of the current Conservative crew in place!!

cupcaske123 · 05/07/2024 16:10

Adviceneeeeded · 05/07/2024 16:06

@BrigadierEtienneGerard what did they do? I grew up in the 90s. People kepe saying they ruined things but no one says what they did wrong.

Thatcher did a lot but she's famous for 'breaking the unions '. There was a long miner's strike as people tried to stop mine closures. The mines, as well as other sources of industry, were closed. The north never recovered. Her statue is on a very high plinth for a good reason.

User135644 · 05/07/2024 16:09

BrigadierEtienneGerard · 05/07/2024 16:06

Yes they were and spent most of it being kicked from pillar to post by the TUC and the unions.

Margaret Thatcher had a hell of a lot more popular support than many people today, who weren't there at the time, seem willing to admit.

Labour and SDP won over half the vote in 1983 yet Thatcher won a huge majority.

Thatcher also fortunate with FPTP. Labour were a mess at the time admittedly but the last certainly 5 years is as bad as any Labour government.

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Adviceneeeeded · 05/07/2024 16:06

@BrigadierEtienneGerard what did they do? I grew up in the 90s. People kepe saying they ruined things but no one says what they did wrong.

BrigadierEtienneGerard · 05/07/2024 16:06

User135644 · 05/07/2024 16:02

The Tories were in for half the 70s as well.

Yes they were and spent most of it being kicked from pillar to post by the TUC and the unions.

Margaret Thatcher had a hell of a lot more popular support than many people today, who weren't there at the time, seem willing to admit.

User135644 · 05/07/2024 16:02

BrigadierEtienneGerard · 05/07/2024 16:01

You are presumably too young to remember the total shitshow that was the Labour governments of the 1970s.

They put a LOT of my generation off of supporting Labour no matter how crap the Tories are.

I know someone who always refers to Labour as "the stupid people's party".

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The Tories were in for half the 70s as well.

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BrigadierEtienneGerard · 05/07/2024 16:01

Billyandharry · 05/07/2024 15:21

It's depressing how crap do the Tory party have to be before people stop voting for them? The bar is set sooo low for them. Literally what would it take to put people off them/see them as unelectable? I will never forgive them for partying thru lockdown whilst people lived/died alone. Never.

You are presumably too young to remember the total shitshow that was the Labour governments of the 1970s.

They put a LOT of my generation off of supporting Labour no matter how crap the Tories are.

I know someone who always refers to Labour as "the stupid people's party".

namesnamez · 05/07/2024 16:00

Conservative voters are old. Like 65+. Under 50s overwhelmingly vote Labour. I don't see why that should change, especially with a young ethnically diverse population.

I just hope one day we get something better than Lab, Con and LibDems.

Meraas · 05/07/2024 15:42

girljulian · 05/07/2024 15:39

As a middle earner, I must say that the one thing that could've lured me towards one party or another for personal greed reasons would've been unfreezing the higher tax threshold. £50k used to be a lot; now it's not. I'm just over it and it's really annoying. But, neither the Tories nor Labour have offered to unfreeze this before 2028.

Yes I suspect that would have swayed a lot of people.

Pandadunks · 05/07/2024 15:42

fear mongering about what Labour will ‘do’ to the Middle classes amongst other things.

girljulian · 05/07/2024 15:39

Meraas · 05/07/2024 15:32

My DH is a somewhat Tory supporter, because he thinks he will pay less tax under them. He didn't vote though.

He doesn't care about the sleaze and corruption because he thinks Labour will be the same and that every party becomes corrupt sooner or later.

I didn't vote Tory or Reform because I do care about sleaze, curruption and racism but I wouldn't be surprised if they're back in power within 8 years.

I work with high earners and they still bend towards Tory.

As a middle earner, I must say that the one thing that could've lured me towards one party or another for personal greed reasons would've been unfreezing the higher tax threshold. £50k used to be a lot; now it's not. I'm just over it and it's really annoying. But, neither the Tories nor Labour have offered to unfreeze this before 2028.

stackhead · 05/07/2024 15:38

I voted Tory, not for the party politics but because someone from Hounslow (labour candidate) or Southampton (Lib Dem candidate) doesn't have the first clue what's important for someone living in rural Lincolnshire. And the conservative MP both lives in the constituency and has done some good things in her tenure.

I voted for my local MP, not for the Prime Minister (y'know like the system is set up).

That said I'm very much a swing voter, but none of the parties were convincing enough for me to vote in a lad from London to represent a farming community that he probably had never heard of until he got a nomination.

Billyandharry · 05/07/2024 15:33

The sooner kids have to learn a bit about politics at school ( - parties, history of etc) the better! Most people are shockingly ill informed/lazy thinkers. Why isn't politics in the national curriculum?

Meraas · 05/07/2024 15:32

User135644 · 05/07/2024 15:06

After the last 14 years how have they still got so many voters for this election (which was lost long ago)? And that's despite loads of Tories going Reform as a protest. Labour only just over 1 in 3.

They'll be back again for sure. Really is a Tory country.

My DH is a somewhat Tory supporter, because he thinks he will pay less tax under them. He didn't vote though.

He doesn't care about the sleaze and corruption because he thinks Labour will be the same and that every party becomes corrupt sooner or later.

I didn't vote Tory or Reform because I do care about sleaze, curruption and racism but I wouldn't be surprised if they're back in power within 8 years.

I work with high earners and they still bend towards Tory.

WiseBiscuit · 05/07/2024 15:30

Historically yes, this country has been Conservative for far more of modern history than it has ever been Labour and that isn’t likely to ever change.

We have Labour blips every now and then before Conservatives are restored. That’s just how it is. It’s not exactly a surprise.

User135644 · 05/07/2024 15:30

lovelysunshine22 · 05/07/2024 15:27

Not really! More a case of better the devil you know! Because let's be real Labour will turn out just as much of a shit show over the next four years! The tories are openly grasping and self serving whereas Labour try to hide it!

Which may explain low voter turnout/reform doing well.

Better the devil you know is hardly a thing if the devil we know has completely wrecked the country.

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girljulian · 05/07/2024 15:30

lovelysunshine22 · 05/07/2024 15:27

Not really! More a case of better the devil you know! Because let's be real Labour will turn out just as much of a shit show over the next four years! The tories are openly grasping and self serving whereas Labour try to hide it!

Jesus Christ, are these the only options we have?

lovelysunshine22 · 05/07/2024 15:27

RomanRoysSearchHistory · 05/07/2024 15:13

Stockholm Syndrome is very real

Not really! More a case of better the devil you know! Because let's be real Labour will turn out just as much of a shit show over the next four years! The tories are openly grasping and self serving whereas Labour try to hide it!

x2boys · 05/07/2024 15:27

Payattentioninclass · 05/07/2024 15:08

Presumably they haven't had to use the NHS or go to a GP in the past decade so are unaware of how the Tories have wrecked healthcare... .

I worked for the NHS under labour ,it was shit than too ,what it really needs is a complete overhaul and cross party support but I can't see that happening or labour doing much other than tinkering with it.