To think that the election results don't add up?

FPTP is a crock of shit bit it is what it is and Lib Dems have made the best of it.

They know where to target for seats.

The 2011 referendum was for an AV system not PR. I think one of the reasons it failed was precisely because PR wasn't an option.

If you have PR you vote for a party, you don’t have an MP that is accountable to you and small extremist groups can get into power and be a pita. There are ways around this but those are some of the problems with PR.

Very curious, Farage is saying exactly the same thing as OP at his press conference. Maybe he reads Mumsnet.

The Libdems made a referendum on the alternative vote representation a condition of coalition as their vote share has consistently been larger than the numbers of seats they secure in parliament. However there was a low turnout and landslide to retain FPTP. So the idiot saying there would be outrage if this happened to “leftie” parties is not terribly well informed and forgive me for being 🙄 about the revisionist arguments about Reform being hard done by.

Fuck all, as the Remainers ( myself included ) would smell blood for a second Brexit vote.

It is all such a bunch of phoney baloney from bottom to top anyway.
Most of these MPs are career politicians with no real life experience. The ones that advocate for the redistribution of wealth blah blah blah are multi millionaires or will be when they quit office and write a book.
They are all, without fail, essentially conservative and they do not practise what they preach.
We’re heading really quickly towards a communist state; you won’t own anything in 20 years time because it will all be far too bloody expensive. Good luck if you continue to live in Britain!!!

I don't think that's true, they came second in many constituencies and had over 4 million votes. They had no voter information, no voter base to draw from. What I did see at two polling stations the Lib Dems had people sat by the door asking for your polling card number. They got more votes than the Lib Dems. Anyone that voted for them, has baffled me, As give it a couple of weeks and they will roll out the CAZ charge to all non electric vehicles. It has been running in Bath for a couple of years and no evidence that it's lowered pollution in Bath. I think this is proof that FPTP is undemocratic. I'm wishing Labour well but I do think this way of calculating votes and seats is unfair on Reform and the Green Party! We all need to push for PR. That way it is fair for everyone, everyone's vote should be of equal importance!

Jesus christ, what does it matter if Labour are sitting in number 10 with a stonking majority ? Get over it.

Why maintain 650 MPs? Germany has fewer representatives in the Bundestag, despite a much bigger population, as does France which has about the same population. There is nothing sacrosanct about the total number so that could be reformed. And a modernised House of Commons with enough seating space would be useful too!

Yes, but there was a referendum already on it, and people said no. And I believe NF is against second referendums so what can he do 🤔

I think Starmer knew perfectly well that to win a good majority in Parliament you don't need a huge share of the vote, you need a large number of seats. I think they campaigned on that basis.

But it does encourage local , boots on the ground work from the parties, picking up thousands of votes coming 2nd or 3rd across the UK might give you millions of votes, but unless you win over the local ward, it means nothing.

That's why the Greens got half the number of votes but the same number of seats as Reform, they laser targeted their seats, Reform went for number of votes to get headlines, rather than seats.

A good point. My area swings back and forth between Labour and Conservative and Lib Dems don’t seem to make a dent so I just assumed they had better presence elsewhere, but this makes sense!

This is where I feel like PR would potentially be fairer, but I also like the system we have now with constituent MPs. Going to go read up on ways of doing it. Not that I can change it but I’m interested now.

That's the UK electoral system. A lot of people don't end up voting for their true preference. Unless they are truly clueless, Reform voters will also have known that their vote was more likely to end up with a Labour candidate winning than a Reform one. The Daily Mail pointed it out to them enough times. I think a lot of Reform voters were disgruntled Tories who wanted to get the Conservatives out but couldn't bring themselves to vote Labour.

@DreadPirateRobots

PR constituencies have multiple candidates for that exact reason - to return a proportional result. No need to split anyone King Solomon style 😅

Oh God that doesn't bear thinking about. Farage will be insufferable as it is.

Reform actually boosted the Lib Dems by taking votes away from the Tories in seats where the Lib Dems had a chance of winning.

IMO quite a few LD seats won’t have been won because of any great love for, or great faith in the LDs - more often a tactical vote in areas like mine, where it’s LD or Tory - and Labour tag along far behind.

Same! I'm really torn. Its obvious that FPTP isn't objectively fair, which is why multiple countries who initially used it have moved to something else....but at the same time the alternative would have been a nightmare in this particular election.

But if I believe in democracy shouldn't I accept that if thats what the people want that should happen? Its giving me food for thought!