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To actually not mind paying tax?

166 replies

Squareplate · 05/07/2024 11:34

I'm sick of hearing about how Labour will increase tax (they will, they'll have to, after the mess they've been handed) at the same time as demanding better services.

I quite like what Clement Attlee said
"Charity is a cold grey loveless thing. If a rich man wants to help the poor, he should pay his taxes gladly, not dole out money at a whim"

And yet I know loads of people who do great work for charity at the same time as doing whatever they can to hide their money from the tax man. They'll say taxes are wasted or there's corruption etc, but that happens in the charity sector too.

FWIW, I'm a higher rate taxpayer and my parents estate will likely be subject to significant inheritance tax, but I still think that's right and fair.

I don't understand why paying your taxes isn't seen as a social duty.

OP posts:
PersephonePomegranate23 · 05/07/2024 13:51

MidnightMeltdown · 05/07/2024 11:55

Tax bands have remained frozen for years, so people on very normal salaries are now finding themselves in the higher rate tax band, which was originally designed for 'the rich'. Lots of these people are struggling to make ends meet themselves, as the cost of living is so high.

This is exactly my position. I cannot afford to pay more tax. I am a lone parent, yet people on the same household income as me with two working parents are paying 20% tax each, while im paying higher rate and UC for other people! Childcare is expensive, housing is expensive, life is expensive. The whole tax system is a shambles.

valleys2024 · 05/07/2024 13:51

Contrary to popular mumsnet belief not everyone on here who says they earn more than average is lying to get the validation of being told they are a liar on mumsnet.

You don't need to be a billionaire to pay six figures in tax. You need to be highly paid and living in the UK.

You may not believe that any woman could reach those giddy heights. That's your issue not mine.

Cosycover · 05/07/2024 13:50

If I see the changes of where my tax is going to, I'm more than happy to pay it.

EasternStandard · 05/07/2024 13:46

Myblindsaredown · 05/07/2024 13:37

Is it just me who finds this stealth boasting and virtue signalling wearisome?

I doubt it

I can’t say the thought of higher tax is all that. If others are keener maybe they can voluntarily pay more

SparklyLeprechaun · 05/07/2024 13:44

I don't mind paying tax for a fairer society and better public services.

I do mind the way the tax burden sits more and more on the shoulders of a diminishing number of contributors, it's both unsustainable and unfair. I object to paying tax to fund other people's lifestyle (not those in genuine need of support).

My marginal tax rate in Scotland is 69.5%, it makes striving for better pay pointless.

VolvoFan · 05/07/2024 13:43

YABU, but I know people like being robbed, so also YANBU. If you want to pay more money than what's already been taken off of you, you're welcome to pay a special cash gift to the HMRC.

Squareplate · 05/07/2024 13:43

MidnightMeltdown · 05/07/2024 13:39

More than 6 figures? I doubt it. Not unless you're a billionaire.

That's not correct. You'd pay more than 100k (six figures) on a salary of less than £300k

OP posts:
MidnightMeltdown · 05/07/2024 13:39

valleys2024 · 05/07/2024 13:36

I pay more than six figures in tax and see next to nothing for it. I agree with paying tax but won't stay in the uk to have my income taxed at more than 45%.

More than 6 figures? I doubt it. Not unless you're a billionaire.

Myblindsaredown · 05/07/2024 13:37

Is it just me who finds this stealth boasting and virtue signalling wearisome?

valleys2024 · 05/07/2024 13:36

I pay more than six figures in tax and see next to nothing for it. I agree with paying tax but won't stay in the uk to have my income taxed at more than 45%.

ll09sm · 05/07/2024 13:34

Because in the real world when more than half the population are net takers and less than half are paying for everyone else, it becomes a vicious cycle.

You can’t have an ever increasing amount of tax, and ever increasing amount of people who only take from the system on a net basis and a reducing number of net contributors.

Well…. you can, if you think Venezuela has a good economic model.

TerroristToddler · 05/07/2024 13:34

I am happy to pay taxes, but I am not happy with currently paying a 60% tax rate (more if you consider lost childcare) and being excluded from some of the standard benefits that my payment funds - i.e., in this case, tax-free childcare and funded childcare hours. As a result of being excluded from these, but not earning such vast sums above the threshold, I am pushed to fund my pension instead. Losing the public purse 40% of that income. I'm not sure how that is fiscally sensible at all.

FWIW, I think most people are generally pretty comfortable paying taxes in return for a civilised society but there is a tipping point. Doesn't the Laffer Curve suggest taxes over 50% begin to reduce the taxation income (suggesting maybe 50% tax is the tipping point for most) - I'm no economist so not sure!

The public services are shocking currently too, which means people feel they are paying in and not getting decent services in return. You can see this in the poor state of healthcare in the UK, underfunded school system, road potholes not fixed for several months, councils cutting services they provide but increasing council tax at the same time. It's not surprising people are feeling negative about paying (possibly) more tax.

MidnightMeltdown · 05/07/2024 13:33

ohthejoys21 · 05/07/2024 13:23

Dh top rate tax payer and has no problem paying tax at all, the only one he does have a problem with is inheritance tax.. he's already paid his taxes on his earnings so why should he have to pay again?

How is he 'paying again'? You don't pay tax when you're dead! The recipient should pay tax on their windfall.

When I pay my hairdresser, she still pays tax, even though I've already been taxed on that money.

The tax applies to the person receiving the money, not the money itself.

ohthejoys21 · 05/07/2024 13:23

Dh top rate tax payer and has no problem paying tax at all, the only one he does have a problem with is inheritance tax.. he's already paid his taxes on his earnings so why should he have to pay again?

Vikina · 05/07/2024 13:15

I have no issue with paying taxes. However we need huge benefits reform. I resent paying taxes to pay benefits to people who choose not to work (not those who cannot) and people who exploit the benefits system.

Bumpitybumper · 05/07/2024 13:13

rumnraisins · 05/07/2024 13:02

Perhaps the anger comes from how the money is being spent rather than having to pay taxes.

I also think there is a feeling that we are literally paying into a black hole. The average nursing home place costs more than £1k a week. SEN specialist educational facilities can charge in excess of £100k per year per pupil. OP's contribution as a high rate tax payer is not even getting close to funding either of these things, let alone paying for anything else. Very few of us are net contributors and we have a lot of very very expensive health, care and educational bills. Something has to give somewhere but it's obvious why the majority won't see improvement in the services they receive when there are so many very expensive bills to cover.

brunettemic · 05/07/2024 13:11

Taxes here might be low compared to elsewhere but a lot of other things are higher. So…if you’re going to increase tax you need to bring other things down or the backlash will be enormous.

MadYoke · 05/07/2024 13:09

I too am happy to pay tax to help whether a more equal society. I think there are many of us.

Mouswife · 05/07/2024 13:06

I have no issue paying taxes, I just want them to go to the right places and be spent responsibly

BallaiLuimni · 05/07/2024 13:05

rumnraisins · 05/07/2024 13:02

Perhaps the anger comes from how the money is being spent rather than having to pay taxes.

Yes, spending billions on preventing healthy people from working, for example.

rumnraisins · 05/07/2024 13:02

Squareplate · 05/07/2024 11:34

I'm sick of hearing about how Labour will increase tax (they will, they'll have to, after the mess they've been handed) at the same time as demanding better services.

I quite like what Clement Attlee said
"Charity is a cold grey loveless thing. If a rich man wants to help the poor, he should pay his taxes gladly, not dole out money at a whim"

And yet I know loads of people who do great work for charity at the same time as doing whatever they can to hide their money from the tax man. They'll say taxes are wasted or there's corruption etc, but that happens in the charity sector too.

FWIW, I'm a higher rate taxpayer and my parents estate will likely be subject to significant inheritance tax, but I still think that's right and fair.

I don't understand why paying your taxes isn't seen as a social duty.

Perhaps the anger comes from how the money is being spent rather than having to pay taxes.

Bumpitybumper · 05/07/2024 13:01

I think we have got ourselves in a terrible mess with the current taxation system.

It penalises those that are aspiring to make something of themselves and rewards those who want to do as little as possible. We have a productivity crisis in this country largely due to the taxation and benefits system. The amount of threads you read on here where people say that they could work more but it's not financially worth it for them. They either will be taxed so punitively that they take home peanuts extra for working more hours or they will no longer be able to claim some lucrative benefit. This cannot be right if we are seriously about achieving economic growth which is the only way to realistically get us out of this mess.

Pandadunks · 05/07/2024 12:52

Same. Educated our population, look after their health, provide housing, look after those who need it- what else really matters?

Those things cost money.

AppleCream · 05/07/2024 12:48

I voted Labour and I don't mind paying tax (I'm not a higher rate taxpayer but DH is), but I don't think higher taxes will be enough to turn around the NHS. I support NHS reform.

BallaiLuimni · 05/07/2024 12:45

OublietteBravo · 05/07/2024 12:44

I’d like there to be a clearer link between tax rises and public spending. For example:

“We’re going to increase income tax by 2% and spend it on the NHS”

That's not how it works, unfortunately. Public spending is far too complex to make any sort of guarantees like that.