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to make complaint about ticket inspector who detained child and took their phone?

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SmellsLikeTeenSpirits · 04/07/2024 23:45

15 yo DD bought wrong train ticket today. She got off at stop after the one she'd bought ticket for because of a last minute change of plan with her friends. So a £2.70 journey rather than a £3 one.

At the final destination her and her friend were stopped by ticket inspector. They tried to explain what had happened and pay the excess. He wasn't having any of it. I can kind of sympathise with that.

What I would like your view on / experience of is this:

He detained them for 20 minutes. DD called me and was a bit shaken. I heard him say - you can't talk to your mum now - and then her phone went off. I tried calling and she messaged saying she'd call back in 5. He took her phone off her and went through her apps to try and prove she was over 15 (she looks 16 maybe - no older). In the end he accepted that she was in fact 15 and has written on the fine notice that he verified her age through her Vinted app. DD said she felt really uncomfortable as he went through her vinted page (where she is modelling some crop tops etc) and scrolled through the pictures. I got through to her again on the phone and asked her to put him on the phone but he refused.

Eventually he gave her a fine of £52 and let her go on her way.

Is this acceptable? Am I being unreasonable if I complain. I don't feel that an adult man should be detaining 15 year olds and confiscating their phones? She had the wrong ticket - just issue the fine if you need to?? Or am i being unreasonable - not having correct ticket is a crime - suck it up - the guy was just doing his job?

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Soontobe60 · 05/07/2024 08:06

Where I live, all the ticket inspectors wear body cameras now, and only ever work in pairs. I would be asking the train company to view this footage and to provide a report of the incident. See what they have to say before bringing out the big guns.

socks1107 · 05/07/2024 08:05

Totally inappropriate and he should be complained about. Her phone is personal property not his to take and go through.

Soontobe60 · 05/07/2024 07:59

AloeVerity · 05/07/2024 07:55

So he’s essentially kidnapped her and forced her to show him personal info on her phone? Police and local press!

Don’t be silly 😂

faceid81 · 05/07/2024 07:58

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Drfosters · 05/07/2024 07:57

i would go absolutely mental. If under 15 they are children they train company has a duty of care to them and not treat as mini adults. I have gone mad as bus companies before for dumping DD on the street in the dark when they change the service or various other things. No one should be going through a phone. A call to you would have been sufficient. I also thing the fine should be refunded - it is way too disproportionate to the infraction.

Sosleepyy · 05/07/2024 07:55

I’m pretty certain ticket inspectors do not have the legal authority to prevent anyone from making phone calls, and certainly not to confiscate a person’s phone and snoop through it. Even more so for a child.

Yes this - super creepy. Complain!

AloeVerity · 05/07/2024 07:55

So he’s essentially kidnapped her and forced her to show him personal info on her phone? Police and local press!

SulkySeagull · 05/07/2024 07:53

Forget reporting him, I’d be heading down there myself. He’s a perv and clearly got off on detaining a young girl.

LakeTiticaca · 05/07/2024 07:52

No they are not allowed to detain you or search your phone. Only the police have authority to do that.
I would report him

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lemonmeringueno3 · 05/07/2024 07:50

He clearly thought she was over 16 and treated her as such until she was able to use an app to prove that she was under 16, which is when his approach changed - phone your mum, just a fine.

How much of it was unprofessional and how much of it was just part of an unpleasant experience that isn't really meant to be pleasant?

I guess they treat fare dodgers like shoplifters, just stealing a service instead of a product.

Make sure your anger isn't primarily indignation that your dd was lumped in with habitual fare dodgers and treated the same despite it being a genuine error in this case.

Make sure you are complaining about actions that were genuinely unprofessional and against policy.

Lizzie67384 · 05/07/2024 07:50

Fargo79 · 05/07/2024 06:57

The number of people finger wagging over the girl having photos on Vinted is unreal.

Can people not see the huge violation and sexual threat in a grown man in a position of authority taking a teenage girl's phone, clicking through her personal apps, entering her personal Vinted account on her phone and then scrolling through pictures of her bare stomach in front of her while he's denying her the right to speak to her mother and detaining her? This is not comparable to any other use of those photos, even by online creeps. She doesn't need a lecture about it. She could never, ever have foreseen that a man would do this and it isn't her fault. Would she be similarly to blame if he'd been scrolling through her private photos of her and friends at the beach in bikinis? Would it be her fault for having those on her phone too?

I'd be reporting this to the police and making a complaint to the trainline telling them I want the ticket cancelled and that the threatening behaviour of their officer is now a police matter.

A few people have mentioned Sarah Everard and this is exactly why your OP gave me the chills. He wouldn't have done this to a man. He wanted to frighten your child because it made him feel powerful.

Omg absolutely my thoughts! I would feel uncomfortable if I a random old man took my phone off me and started looking through any of my apps - everyone knows that anyone can see the pictures you upload online but it’s entirely different for an older man to take your phone, look at pictures of you while your standing next to him and he refuses to let you call your mum!

Squareplate · 05/07/2024 07:49

Absolutely report him.

Obviously, everyone should pay the correct fare and fare dodgers are a problem (although in reality not one's like DD) for all of us, but it's strange how these people always pick on youngsters or the vulnerable. I bet the burly builder who fell asleep and missed his stop wouldn't have been treated like this.

If it's like our station, they're having a crack down, which is good, but they've employed private security to do it and from their behaviour, I'm willing to bet they have targets to meet and very little training. How would they think they have any authority to look through someone's phone or stop anyone making a call, let alone a minor?

Allthehorsesintheworld · 05/07/2024 07:49

Definitely report to train company and police. That’s way over the top, creepy and scary for your daughter.
@TedRunBye thanks for the link, that is bloody scary. And a suspended sentence, wtaf.

Fannyfiggs · 05/07/2024 07:49

Those of you who are focusing on the crop top pics need to have a word with yourselves. This was an adult man going through a child's phone. This is an adult man bullying a child. No, he wasn't just 'doing his job' because you can bet your bottom dollar he wouldn't do this to an adult male.

This is creepy, highly inappropriate behaviour from this man and he needs to be stopped asap.

So stop with the victim blaming and focus on the real issue which is another man, with perceived power, overstepping the mark with a child.

Zanatdy · 05/07/2024 07:48

Absolutely not, get a complaint in

Dutchesss · 05/07/2024 07:47

What a violation. I'd report to the police.

CinnamonJellyBeans · 05/07/2024 07:43

Once the ticket inspector has established that the ticket is missing/incorrect, I would be very interested to see how many women vs men are:

Told off at length by the inspector

Made to pay

From what I can see, it seems to me that women are over-represented in both categories

I have told off ticket inspectors and supported women on trains when the inspectors get heavy-handed and overbearing, especially as it is patently obvious that male (thuggish looking) perpetrators can travel for free. (I have never travelled without paying myself).

Women: Do not accept this discrimination.

Mumteedum · 05/07/2024 07:40

Definitely report. He's out of order.

I remember having hassle with bus drivers at her age because I looked older. One refused me child fare and shouted at me saying I'd just been to work. It was thirty odd years ago and I remember it.

I had to carry my birth certificate after that.

Some men treat young women very badly. What he did was intimidating and awful. I hope it hasn't dented her confidence.

IMarchToADifferentDrummer · 05/07/2024 07:28

People are hung up about her pics on Vinted. For all you know, her face could be hidden so not easily identified.
Plus, they're crop-tops, just shorter than average tops, she's not baring all on Facebook where everyone and their grandparents can see her!
This has nothing to do with the ticket issue plus she admitted she had gone a stop extra and offered to pay the excess - the bloke was out of order!!!

OneGoldOtter · 05/07/2024 07:27

Your daughter should not be modelling crop tops on Vinted. Trust me there will be some creeps on that app leering at those. I have sold basques and corsets and I wasn't even modelling them, and still had creeps in my inbox asking me to send pics.

The ticket guy was out of order though.

BusyMum47 · 05/07/2024 07:23

pikkumyy77 · 04/07/2024 23:48

That is absolutely creepy and inappropriate. Please report him.

This!!!!!⬆️ Completely unnecessary & over the top. Report!!

2021x · 05/07/2024 07:20

Rather than report, I would give feedback. I would ask for clarification of the powers they have to confiscate and go through personal property. I would
also ask on their policy on detaining minors without parental supervision .

I hope your daughter can laugh about this soon.

Ilovelurchers · 05/07/2024 07:19

shqwnono · 05/07/2024 07:07

@Ilovelurchers Attitudes like this terrify me.

Op, I wouldn’t just complain. If it happened as described, report to the police.

I am very sorry to have terrified you with my words.... I have no wish to induce terror in another human!

What would you expect the police to do, out of interest? Your experience of the police has perhaps been very different from my own - i would not expect them to intervene helpfully in this instance. Of course your experience may be different.

And what exact actions on the part of this inspector do you identify as illegal? And what would you be calling for, his arrest?

Anyway, hope you feel less terrified soon...... Honestly, please don't be terrified. It's just a person having a different experience and a different opinion from your own. It's not a threat.

OneFrenchEgg · 05/07/2024 07:18

It wasn't a mistake, it was a choice to get off at a stop beyond the one she'd paid for. With consequences.
What would ringing you have achieved?
I grew that he overstepped and should have just issued a fine but was the age verification because there is a price difference for children and adults?