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ANewDawnAtLast

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HoorayHurrah · 04/07/2024 23:31

AIBU to think that tonight's victory brings in a new dawn.
A world where there is better benefits system, a world where childcare isn't the constant headache it is now, a world where workers's rights will be respected and expanded,
a world where private schools are no longer charity's, a world where those who can afford it are taxed, a world where asylum seekers are not sent off on a plane but treated with respect, a world where everyone will be housed, a world with more medical staff, a world where SEN children don't have to beg for taxi;s to go to school, a world where diagnosis or those with ND conditions children and adult is made easier, a world where every child has free lunches not just in school but in the holidays to.
A kinder gentler world at long last.

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Ooral · 05/07/2024 00:33

HoorayHurrah · 04/07/2024 23:35

I don't think I am deluded. This is a landslide victory. it;s what we wanted and there is nothing to stop it.

'We'?
😂

EpicGem · 05/07/2024 00:29

Labour stood on a manifesto very similar to the 2010 Tory austerity manifesto. As a disabled person, I can guarantee that, under a Kier Starmer Labour government, I will still be subjected to dehumanising PIP "assessments". There is nothing in the manifesto about ending them.
Don't get me wrong, I'm glad the Tories are highly likely to be booted out severely, but I'm old enough to know that very little is going to change under a centre-right at best government.

IceLolliesForStickyFingers · 05/07/2024 00:24

It won't happen. I'm glad that Labour will win with a majority but the fact that reform is doing so well is very worrying. Labour will see this and they will go more right and more populist. They don't have to with rhe majority they are expected to get but I don't think keir starmer has the moral strength to trade off a bit of popularity for what is right.

I just keep wishing it was 2010 and this was the result back then. Or 2015. Or even 2019.

AnOpinionInTheHand · 05/07/2024 00:20

how many money trees do you think Labour have exactly?

theyve been worse than useless as an opposition party in recent years - what makes you think they’ll be any better than the tories?

peanutbuttertoasty · 05/07/2024 00:16

Absolutely fucking delusional. And with a vote 😩

GruntledGoblin · 05/07/2024 00:13

HoorayHurrah · 04/07/2024 23:36

The woman issue is my one concern but that seems to have been addressed in recent days.

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What on earth makes you think that? I remember the huge hope many of us had when KS took leadership of the Labour party and he did a Q and A here on Mumsnet. It was the most excruciating, weaselly cowardly performance. With the slightest crumb of integrity or decency I'd have voted for them in s heartbeat. But look it up. He disgusts me and the Labour party disgusts me. I spoilt my ballot.

GCAcademic · 05/07/2024 00:11

It’s only a “landslide victory “ because of the first past the post system. In the seats that have been called thus far, the Labour vote has remained pretty stagnant. The actual “victory” is for Reform. It all feels quite reminiscent of the Brexit referendum vote. I’m glad the Tories have gone, but I can see this being a one-term Labour government.

MyKidsAreTooNoisy · 05/07/2024 00:04

HoorayHurrah · 04/07/2024 23:35

I don't think I am deluded. This is a landslide victory. it;s what we wanted and there is nothing to stop it.

One of the defining features of delusion is lack of insight.

I voted Labour but really let’s get realistic. Hopefully things might get a bit better but they are not going to be able to usher in some kinds of utopia.

RantyMcRanterton · 05/07/2024 00:04

HoorayHurrah · 04/07/2024 23:31

AIBU to think that tonight's victory brings in a new dawn.
A world where there is better benefits system, a world where childcare isn't the constant headache it is now, a world where workers's rights will be respected and expanded,
a world where private schools are no longer charity's, a world where those who can afford it are taxed, a world where asylum seekers are not sent off on a plane but treated with respect, a world where everyone will be housed, a world with more medical staff, a world where SEN children don't have to beg for taxi;s to go to school, a world where diagnosis or those with ND conditions children and adult is made easier, a world where every child has free lunches not just in school but in the holidays to.
A kinder gentler world at long last.

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Londonrach1 · 04/07/2024 23:59

Sorry op you going to be disappointed....all parties only care about themselves and not the people...

Poppypops76 · 04/07/2024 23:57

HoorayHurrah · 04/07/2024 23:35

I don't think I am deluded. This is a landslide victory. it;s what we wanted and there is nothing to stop it.

You are deluded to think it’s going to be some kind of utopia. Unless your idea of a better world is one where a woman can have a penis?

AnneLovesGilbert · 04/07/2024 23:56

You want more people risking their lives paying money to human traffickers to cross the Channel in dangerous boats?

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HoorayHurrah · 04/07/2024 23:51

Champere · 04/07/2024 23:50

Keep sucking on that crack pipe

Very rude

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littleburn · 04/07/2024 23:50

Cheesecakelunch · 04/07/2024 23:36

It's the Labour Party not fucking Care Bears😅

😂😂😂 With the best will in the world OP, I think you may end up slightly disappointed.

MumChp · 04/07/2024 23:50

Tbh I don't think things will change overnight.

Champere · 04/07/2024 23:50

Keep sucking on that crack pipe

ExitPursuedByABare · 04/07/2024 23:48

@HoorayHurrah

And do you not see the fall out from taxing big business and the wealthy? It’s not a bottomless pot.

JaceLancs · 04/07/2024 23:47

I have never voted conservative in my life and still think you are being overly optimistic

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HoorayHurrah · 04/07/2024 23:45

I agree @Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g People have been whipped up about asylum seekers when they are a good thing. we won;t last long without their contribution that is for sure. I've been told that many were waiting for a Labour victory because they didn't want to risk being flown to Africa if they came under a Tory government so that's another cause for celebration.
At least now they will be welcomed and looked after so that they can properly contribute as so many have done over centuries.

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PurpleWhiteGreen123 · 04/07/2024 23:44

Nah. Starmer is a soft Tory. It's more of the same. I'm glad the last bunch of wankers are leaving, but the new bunch of wankers need to sort out a lot of shit before I'm impressed.

internationaldebates · 04/07/2024 23:43

We had so much of this 15 years ago and threw it away.

Ponoka7 · 04/07/2024 23:41

Labour did not promise what's in your opening post. They made it clear that they don't have a magic wand and it will take time to deliver change on housing etc. They are inheriting a mess. But there's opportunity for change and things will get better. It's important that they are in for two terms, but we all need to be realistic.

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 04/07/2024 23:39

Also, I don't know about anyone else, but I'm quite rattled by the fact that Reform have done so well in those first two results. Far better than anybody except Labour. I hope the other parties are not going to ignore this. That's how we got into this mess. Explain why this country needs immigrants and what a valuable contribution they make to the UK. Talk it all out.

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HoorayHurrah · 04/07/2024 23:39

ExitPursuedByABare · 04/07/2024 23:36

And just where is the money coming from to pay for this Utopia?

The labour party have obviously done their sums. They will tax big business, windfall taxes, property taxes and taxes on those who can afford it. there is plenty of money the Torys always had enough for their friends and projects like Hs2.

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JennyTalworts · 04/07/2024 23:38

HoorayHurrah · 04/07/2024 23:35

I don't think I am deluded. This is a landslide victory. it;s what we wanted and there is nothing to stop it.

I'm just wondering how old you are?

Have you lived through many general elections?

I voted Labour and I'll be very happy to see them win but I'm not living in cloud cuckoo land (sorry cuckoo 'world').