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ANewDawnAtLast

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HoorayHurrah · 04/07/2024 23:31

AIBU to think that tonight's victory brings in a new dawn.
A world where there is better benefits system, a world where childcare isn't the constant headache it is now, a world where workers's rights will be respected and expanded,
a world where private schools are no longer charity's, a world where those who can afford it are taxed, a world where asylum seekers are not sent off on a plane but treated with respect, a world where everyone will be housed, a world with more medical staff, a world where SEN children don't have to beg for taxi;s to go to school, a world where diagnosis or those with ND conditions children and adult is made easier, a world where every child has free lunches not just in school but in the holidays to.
A kinder gentler world at long last.

OP posts:
SD1978 · 05/07/2024 14:00

yes you are. and deluded.

Rockschooldropout · 05/07/2024 14:00

It’s a pipe dream
There is so much damage to undo … it will take years before we see anything resembling “progress” and I don’t think we’ll wake up to “change” in the morning .. unless you count a new government as change .. I am glad to see the Tories go but I’m not whooping from the rooftops because there is a lot to be done and Labour can’t even make a dent in it in one term

margotmargeaux · 05/07/2024 13:59

Glitterybee · 04/07/2024 23:32

Dream on

Ha ha, perfect response.

I expect OP may well be very disappointed.

ntmdino · 05/07/2024 13:56

5128gap · 05/07/2024 13:46

No, OP. We have been taken so far from this by the outgoing government that it will take a long time to get to a place even close to it. You need to manage your expectations have patience, and rather than see today as a destination, see it as the first step of a journey to a better place.

Exactly. Starmer will need at least two terms to make a tangible improvement that could be recognised as "progress". Everything in the first term will have to be about getting some money in the bank to actually pay for the progress - and that's all about economic stability, aka "the boring stuff nobody wants to talk about".

Brace yourself for a few years of quiet, calm and sensible administration.

Smartiepants79 · 05/07/2024 13:54

littleburn · 04/07/2024 23:50

😂😂😂 With the best will in the world OP, I think you may end up slightly disappointed.

This.
Politics is cyclical. In 10 years we’ll all be moaning about useless, corrupt labour and dreaming of a landslide victory for someone else.
I salute your optimism but I think if you believe that there is going to be any discernible change to your life in the near future you are being rather naive.
Most of these change are going to take years to actually happen or make any difference. Many will simply just not be possible due to a huge lack of money.
I hope you get what you want but I’m not holding my breath that the country is all now magically fixed.
It is, after all, still being run by humans. They will make mistakes, do stupid things, lie and get greedy. It’s what humans do.

5128gap · 05/07/2024 13:46

No, OP. We have been taken so far from this by the outgoing government that it will take a long time to get to a place even close to it. You need to manage your expectations have patience, and rather than see today as a destination, see it as the first step of a journey to a better place.

SoupDragon · 05/07/2024 13:42

HoorayHurrah · 05/07/2024 13:27

@FinalCeleryScheme

I couldnt' agree more-a new dawn is shining it's light on this beleaguered country.
Better education, health and those who need taxing taxed.. Also pleased that state pensions might be taxed. to many rich pensioners and to many children in poverty. Look forward to more equity in housing. for a start, everyone having a house over the next few years, and maybe a tax on underoccupied properties.

A willing workforce about to enter this country and instead of been hated, been welcomed and ready to contribute. many people in france were crying tears of joy this morning and that is according to that nasty channel GB news so even they had to admit it.
I know things happen immediately but how good is it to be living in a time when it is a possibility..the first thing I hope Labour does is give the vote to younger people because they are our future and they are the most thinking educated generation for a long time,. I am a teacher and every day I am amazed by there compassion there curiosity and there care for the less fortunate and the planet.
We have made a start.

Where was this utopia during the last Labour government?

BadCattitude · 05/07/2024 13:42

Floatingandundecided · 04/07/2024 23:34

A world where the word women is banned

Good lord.

Of course the word woman isn't going to be banned. Neither is breastfeeding, mother etc. This is just like the so called 'war on Christmas' that the right wang have tried to revive every November.

When 4.3 million children are living in poverty, I am shocked that otherwise sensible women (yes, I said it - gasp) are falling for this straw man culture war that they've stoked almost entirely to distract from the rest of their abysmal record.

The worst thing you'll likely have to deal with is gender neutral bathrooms. I think you can cope.

tennesseewhiskey1 · 05/07/2024 13:41

Ffs 😂😂😂 come on, no one is that deluded. This isn’t in the night garden Op- this is real life.

Oldfatandfrumpy · 05/07/2024 13:41

State pensions are already taxed if the person is meeting the income tax threshold

Tiredalwaystired · 05/07/2024 13:40

I’m very positive about labours win. But there’s no money. This term needs to be about building trust and steadying the ship. Not sure if there’s much more they can do.

HoorayHurrah · 05/07/2024 13:38

@FinalCeleryScheme Why so? Is it a joke to think that people are happy that they will not be flown to africa and might have the chance to make a good life for themselves and there family here, as well as the country as a whole.

OP posts:
Iffx · 05/07/2024 13:37

You forgot the last bit: funded by fairies.

FinalCeleryScheme · 05/07/2024 13:35

many people in france were crying tears of joy this morning and that is according to that nasty channel GB news so even they had to admit it.

I confess I thought you were being serious until I saw that bit.

HoorayHurrah · 05/07/2024 13:27

@FinalCeleryScheme

I couldnt' agree more-a new dawn is shining it's light on this beleaguered country.
Better education, health and those who need taxing taxed.. Also pleased that state pensions might be taxed. to many rich pensioners and to many children in poverty. Look forward to more equity in housing. for a start, everyone having a house over the next few years, and maybe a tax on underoccupied properties.

A willing workforce about to enter this country and instead of been hated, been welcomed and ready to contribute. many people in france were crying tears of joy this morning and that is according to that nasty channel GB news so even they had to admit it.
I know things happen immediately but how good is it to be living in a time when it is a possibility..the first thing I hope Labour does is give the vote to younger people because they are our future and they are the most thinking educated generation for a long time,. I am a teacher and every day I am amazed by there compassion there curiosity and there care for the less fortunate and the planet.
We have made a start.

OP posts:
brunettemic · 05/07/2024 13:09

Good luck with that. They have a big majority but in terms of the electorate not a strong position. They’ve said they don’t change income tax so it will be suicidal to do that, plus if you check the stats those who “can afford it” pay far more of the tax. If you want a fair tax system everyone should pay the same percentage.

keyboardingtoday · 05/07/2024 12:32

He's a politician not the Messiah. Grin

WickedSerious · 05/07/2024 12:20

Green fields,golden farts and glittery turds all the way.

crowsatemyslugpellets · 05/07/2024 12:17

iamtheblcksheep · 05/07/2024 00:42

I will be very clear. Starmer will get his hands on very little of my money. I will hide through legal measures every god dam penny. I’ve worked my bollocks off to build a successful business. I’m afraid you’re going to have to find another chump to pay for your ‘better benefits system’

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Couldn't agree more.

ntmdino · 05/07/2024 12:15

LostTheMarble · 05/07/2024 10:58

the incoming government will have higher priority concerns than ND-specific services, and (for the time being) probably rightly so.

The ND crisis is going to have a huge effect on the future economy if this (or any government) doesn’t start taking it seriously. It’s already hugely affecting the education system in every area, the let down ND kids struggling, the teachers burning out and leaving because they didn’t sign up to be support workers, the neurotypical children missing out on classroom support and going under the radar..

Looking forward to the future, without the right support in schools/work there are going to be even more ND adults who are not going to cope in the workplace or eventually burnout/have a breakdown. This leads to even more people taking longterm breaks from employment and more pressure on the benefits system. And I say this as a parent to autistic children, there is no point dealing with the symptoms of the issue - now is the time to understand and remodel the crux of it. It has to be a key issue for the support of those with additional needs and for the overall system of work efficiency.

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I don't disagree with you on any specific point there - but if the problems you're talking about are going to be solved, they need to be solved properly, with proper funding, a complete plan and buy-in from top to bottom. And, more to the point, it needs every service it touches to be functioning properly; education, social care, benefits, the NHS etc. Unless those are fixed and functional, any effort to help ND folk will a best be a band-aid that lets far too many fall through the cracks to be remotely effective, and at worst a misguided failure that makes our lot worse rather than better.

Lest we forget, the entire medical model of autism (for example) used by the NHS is proven to be outdated and not fit for purpose, yet it persists because of institutional inertia; just re-educating the NHS workforce on that alone will take years, and they have vastly bigger issues right now. Hell, I have to get my melatonin prescription privately through the same doctor who isn't allowed to prescribe it on the NHS even though it's known to be safe and to solve the problem a huge number of autistic people have with sleep.

It's a case of prioritisation, and the notion that a rising tide lifts all ships. And more than a small amount of hope based on that.

Chester23 · 05/07/2024 11:06

Property taxes? So us normal working people who have Property should be taxed extra too?

FirstNameSecondName · 05/07/2024 11:03

Floatingandundecided · 04/07/2024 23:34

A world where the word women is banned

Exactly this.

SoupDragon · 05/07/2024 11:03

HoorayHurrah · 04/07/2024 23:39

The labour party have obviously done their sums. They will tax big business, windfall taxes, property taxes and taxes on those who can afford it. there is plenty of money the Torys always had enough for their friends and projects like Hs2.

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Plus there is the magic money tree that every party seems to believe exists when they make their promises.

Why wasn't it this Utopia last time Labour were in power?

(I'm not anti Labour BTW, it's just that people seem to have forgotten a lot)

FinalCeleryScheme · 05/07/2024 11:00

HoorayHurrah · 04/07/2024 23:31

AIBU to think that tonight's victory brings in a new dawn.
A world where there is better benefits system, a world where childcare isn't the constant headache it is now, a world where workers's rights will be respected and expanded,
a world where private schools are no longer charity's, a world where those who can afford it are taxed, a world where asylum seekers are not sent off on a plane but treated with respect, a world where everyone will be housed, a world with more medical staff, a world where SEN children don't have to beg for taxi;s to go to school, a world where diagnosis or those with ND conditions children and adult is made easier, a world where every child has free lunches not just in school but in the holidays to.
A kinder gentler world at long last.

I so agree. Within minutes of the Labour unicorn getting voted in at my constituency she was out planting money trees. The radiant light of goodness and plenty shone from her as she blessed the poor, the weak and the little children.

Truly a new dawn is shining its light on this beleaguered country.

Chester23 · 05/07/2024 10:59

By better benefits do you mean people who can work do work and working people have more help? People who work should get more help with childcare. The immigrants that are mentioned are illegal not people who come here legally.
You can't keep taxing businesses, they will close or move their business abroad. Same with rich people they will move their money. It's not as easy as tax the wealthy.

Lastly you do know labour only control our country and not the world?