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ANewDawnAtLast

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HoorayHurrah · 04/07/2024 23:31

AIBU to think that tonight's victory brings in a new dawn.
A world where there is better benefits system, a world where childcare isn't the constant headache it is now, a world where workers's rights will be respected and expanded,
a world where private schools are no longer charity's, a world where those who can afford it are taxed, a world where asylum seekers are not sent off on a plane but treated with respect, a world where everyone will be housed, a world with more medical staff, a world where SEN children don't have to beg for taxi;s to go to school, a world where diagnosis or those with ND conditions children and adult is made easier, a world where every child has free lunches not just in school but in the holidays to.
A kinder gentler world at long last.

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FinalCeleryScheme · 05/07/2024 14:29

cardibach · 05/07/2024 14:24

I don’t see the OP saying this. She says treat asylum seekers with respect and not break international law with the Rwanda nonsense (how much money wasted on something they knew would never happen?). Labour are clear on stopping boats. There are better ways to accept asylum seekers.

I don’t really care about the boats - certainly it’s nothing compared to the numbers that Italy and Greece have to process and accommodate - though lots of people seem to. But how is Labour clear about stopping the boats? All they’ve done is said they’d “smash” the gangs (doing what the Tories have been doing for years 🙄) and er…nothing else.

This is a very vacuous and uncertain government.

pastypotatoes · 05/07/2024 14:28

HoorayHurrah · 04/07/2024 23:31

AIBU to think that tonight's victory brings in a new dawn.
A world where there is better benefits system, a world where childcare isn't the constant headache it is now, a world where workers's rights will be respected and expanded,
a world where private schools are no longer charity's, a world where those who can afford it are taxed, a world where asylum seekers are not sent off on a plane but treated with respect, a world where everyone will be housed, a world with more medical staff, a world where SEN children don't have to beg for taxi;s to go to school, a world where diagnosis or those with ND conditions children and adult is made easier, a world where every child has free lunches not just in school but in the holidays to.
A kinder gentler world at long last.

You sound utterly delusional OP. I feel bad for the people who voted Labour who genuinely believe what the party proposed will actually happen.

It's these same people who probably voted for Brexit as well and look how well that's turned out Confused

FlamingoMug · 05/07/2024 14:27

HoorayHurrah · 05/07/2024 14:22

@ahagiraffe a very rude and unneeded comment. It is because of teachers and medical staff that this country is not screwed.

You really don’t write like a teacher would. I won’t specify why. I am not sure you are being genuine on this thread.

nearlylovemyusername · 05/07/2024 14:26

ahagiraffe · 05/07/2024 14:19

I really hope this is satire, because if this is a genuine post from a geniune teacher, our country is screwed.

This.

@FinalCeleryScheme have you missed that TikTok polls show major Reform win? That their share of vote amongst youth was huge?

Labour believe that giving vote to 16-18yo will increase their electorate, it might be a huge mistake and bring Reform in.

(I'm also concerned by misuse of there and their, too many times for typos for teacher)

cardibach · 05/07/2024 14:25

2dogsandabudgie · 05/07/2024 14:18

Why do you think we need more people coming over in boats?

Why do you think all immigrants ‘come over on boats’?

cardibach · 05/07/2024 14:25

Purplebunnie · 05/07/2024 14:23

HS2 was a Labour initiative

A Labour idea. The Tories are the ones who mismanaged it. They’ve been in for 14years, not 14 months.

cardibach · 05/07/2024 14:24

AnneLovesGilbert · 04/07/2024 23:56

You want more people risking their lives paying money to human traffickers to cross the Channel in dangerous boats?

I don’t see the OP saying this. She says treat asylum seekers with respect and not break international law with the Rwanda nonsense (how much money wasted on something they knew would never happen?). Labour are clear on stopping boats. There are better ways to accept asylum seekers.

Purplebunnie · 05/07/2024 14:23

HoorayHurrah · 04/07/2024 23:39

The labour party have obviously done their sums. They will tax big business, windfall taxes, property taxes and taxes on those who can afford it. there is plenty of money the Torys always had enough for their friends and projects like Hs2.

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HS2 was a Labour initiative

EarthlyNightshade · 05/07/2024 14:23

2dogsandabudgie · 05/07/2024 14:18

Why do you think we need more people coming over in boats?

Immigrants do many jobs here. Where I am the culture is diverse, and they really add to the economy.
I would rather people could come safely, and not on boats.

HoorayHurrah · 05/07/2024 14:22

@ahagiraffe a very rude and unneeded comment. It is because of teachers and medical staff that this country is not screwed.

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HoorayHurrah · 05/07/2024 14:21

2dogsandabudgie · 05/07/2024 14:18

Why do you think we need more people coming over in boats?

I would rather they are flown safely. Boats is what the desperate used under tory rule but hopefully now proper flights will be provided. I do not want people to risk there lives is boats.

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ahagiraffe · 05/07/2024 14:19

HoorayHurrah · 05/07/2024 13:27

@FinalCeleryScheme

I couldnt' agree more-a new dawn is shining it's light on this beleaguered country.
Better education, health and those who need taxing taxed.. Also pleased that state pensions might be taxed. to many rich pensioners and to many children in poverty. Look forward to more equity in housing. for a start, everyone having a house over the next few years, and maybe a tax on underoccupied properties.

A willing workforce about to enter this country and instead of been hated, been welcomed and ready to contribute. many people in france were crying tears of joy this morning and that is according to that nasty channel GB news so even they had to admit it.
I know things happen immediately but how good is it to be living in a time when it is a possibility..the first thing I hope Labour does is give the vote to younger people because they are our future and they are the most thinking educated generation for a long time,. I am a teacher and every day I am amazed by there compassion there curiosity and there care for the less fortunate and the planet.
We have made a start.

I really hope this is satire, because if this is a genuine post from a geniune teacher, our country is screwed.

2dogsandabudgie · 05/07/2024 14:18

HoorayHurrah · 05/07/2024 14:17

Yes i agree with you but i suppose I am happy that at least there is a real possibility that it could happen much more so than for the last 14 years'. That a government will act for the poor, the workers, the children, the migrants the vulnerable.

Why do you think we need more people coming over in boats?

Sahara123 · 05/07/2024 14:18

Less of the “we “ please , I didn’t vote Labour.
None of this has happened yet in my 64 years and I’m not holding out much hope now.

2dogsandabudgie · 05/07/2024 14:17

ntmdino · 05/07/2024 14:03

You're assuming that he'll actually show up. I don't doubt that he will to begin with, but once the excitement wears off - and he realises that he has absolutely no influence over anything tangible - he'll begin to show up about as much as his Brexit Party MEPs did.

We'll have to wait and see on that, but Farage does like to be heard and cause controversy, he has had more coverage I think than the Lib Dems.

HoorayHurrah · 05/07/2024 14:17

5128gap · 05/07/2024 13:46

No, OP. We have been taken so far from this by the outgoing government that it will take a long time to get to a place even close to it. You need to manage your expectations have patience, and rather than see today as a destination, see it as the first step of a journey to a better place.

Yes i agree with you but i suppose I am happy that at least there is a real possibility that it could happen much more so than for the last 14 years'. That a government will act for the poor, the workers, the children, the migrants the vulnerable.

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FlameGrilledSquirrel · 05/07/2024 14:15

ntmdino · 05/07/2024 14:03

You're assuming that he'll actually show up. I don't doubt that he will to begin with, but once the excitement wears off - and he realises that he has absolutely no influence over anything tangible - he'll begin to show up about as much as his Brexit Party MEPs did.

He doesn't need to have any influence to keep his support happy. He'll never be off TV as he has more personality (albeit like that of a pub gobshite) than most of the house combined. Him tilting at windmills with a pint in his hand will suffice.

Sahara123 · 05/07/2024 14:15

Cheesecakelunch · 04/07/2024 23:36

It's the Labour Party not fucking Care Bears😅

🤣🤣🤣

OldTinHat · 05/07/2024 14:09

HoorayHurrah · 04/07/2024 23:35

I don't think I am deluded. This is a landslide victory. it;s what we wanted and there is nothing to stop it.

It's not what I wanted. I didn't want the Tories either, btw.

You're sounding naive (being kind) or, simply put, definitely deluded.

ntmdino · 05/07/2024 14:08

Iffx · 05/07/2024 14:01

And I would add that the landslide victory for “someone else” could conceivably be Nigel Farage.

Look at this Sky link - although Labour have a large seat majority, most of the Tory losses (in numbers of votes, not seats) went to Reform. The total number of labour votes was up only 1.6%. Society has not changed.

Looking at the seats situation only is quite misleading if you want to know what percentage of people voted Reform. They only have 4 seats, but got 14.3% of the votes. I expect they will lobby for a different system than FPTP now.

https://election.news.sky.com/elections/general-election-2024

This is not all hearts and rainbows. We are in deep shit.

On the contrary...this is the first time that the Conservatives have had to share the right-wing vote with a party that isn't campaigning on a single issue, and they absolutely collapsed. Meanwhile, Labour have had to share the left-wing vote with everybody else on that side for decades, and have never done as badly as the Conservatives did this time round.

If anything, this just represents a levelling of the playing field, even if you don't consider that most Reform votes were based on protest.

The only scary part is that the Conservatives might try to woo those voters back by going even further to the right, and then people will vote for them next time round when Labour's term trying to fix the mess inevitably hasn't produced unicorns and rainbows fast enough.

RipleyGreen · 05/07/2024 14:05

But it wasn’t a landslide victory at all. This is no Blair ‘97 moment (& anyway look how that went…) The main cause of the Conservatives loss is that Reform picked up 15% of the votes. Basically exactly the same shift to populist right as Europe but because of our first past the post electoral system the beneficiaries are Labour.

margotmargeaux · 05/07/2024 14:05

This has got to be a wind up 🤣

ntmdino · 05/07/2024 14:03

2dogsandabudgie · 05/07/2024 14:00

If Starmer doesn't stop the boat crossings as promised, I can tell you now that Reform will be the winning party in 5 years time. I didn't vote Reform but Nigel Farage is about to make the House of Commons very interesting.

You're assuming that he'll actually show up. I don't doubt that he will to begin with, but once the excitement wears off - and he realises that he has absolutely no influence over anything tangible - he'll begin to show up about as much as his Brexit Party MEPs did.

Iffx · 05/07/2024 14:01

Smartiepants79 · 05/07/2024 13:54

This.
Politics is cyclical. In 10 years we’ll all be moaning about useless, corrupt labour and dreaming of a landslide victory for someone else.
I salute your optimism but I think if you believe that there is going to be any discernible change to your life in the near future you are being rather naive.
Most of these change are going to take years to actually happen or make any difference. Many will simply just not be possible due to a huge lack of money.
I hope you get what you want but I’m not holding my breath that the country is all now magically fixed.
It is, after all, still being run by humans. They will make mistakes, do stupid things, lie and get greedy. It’s what humans do.

And I would add that the landslide victory for “someone else” could conceivably be Nigel Farage.

Look at this Sky link - although Labour have a large seat majority, most of the Tory losses (in numbers of votes, not seats) went to Reform. The total number of labour votes was up only 1.6%. Society has not changed.

Looking at the seats situation only is quite misleading if you want to know what percentage of people voted Reform. They only have 4 seats, but got 14.3% of the votes. I expect they will lobby for a different system than FPTP now.

https://election.news.sky.com/elections/general-election-2024

This is not all hearts and rainbows. We are in deep shit.

General Election 2024 | Sky News

Get real time results and latest news on the UK general election. Find out who won and lost in your area and see the breakdown of vote share.

https://election.news.sky.com/elections/general-election-2024

2dogsandabudgie · 05/07/2024 14:00

HoorayHurrah · 05/07/2024 13:38

@FinalCeleryScheme Why so? Is it a joke to think that people are happy that they will not be flown to africa and might have the chance to make a good life for themselves and there family here, as well as the country as a whole.

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If Starmer doesn't stop the boat crossings as promised, I can tell you now that Reform will be the winning party in 5 years time. I didn't vote Reform but Nigel Farage is about to make the House of Commons very interesting.