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To think UC's new AET is fucking ridiculous?

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sentfrommyiphone · 04/07/2024 15:34

I’ve been working & claiming UC for the past 2 years. Today I got an email saying I need to attend a mandatory appointment to review my commitments, the reason for this being the AET is now £892 & I only earn £881.58.
I now have to attend regular work meetings because of this £10.42 shortfall! & if I fail to attend any of these I will be sanctioned.
The ironic thing is, I have to take time out of my working day to attend an appointment with UC about helping me find more work?
I’m on a fixed term time only contract at 20 hours a week & im paid pro rata.

What the actual fuck?

OP posts:
StMarieforme · 05/07/2024 19:52

Noosnom · 04/07/2024 16:06

UC is a car crash. I never had a problem with tax credits but everyone I know has had a problem with UC.

We're the opposite. Every single person I ever knew on TV had to repay an alleged overpayment. No issues on UC.

DragonFly98 · 05/07/2024 19:51

Tokyosummers · 05/07/2024 19:41

We asked them this and they said it still
wouldn’t count as he was self employed ? That he would himself have to find actual employment instead of being self employed ?

Work coaches constantly give out incorrect information. If your dh earned enough employed to cover the couples AET then you would have no work commitments. If you are a carer you also have no work commitments so your dh earnings employed or self employed have no bearing on you. He simply needed to earn the single AET employed or be gainfully employed. He is in essence treated as a single claimant as far as earnings are concerned if you are a carer. Why did he just stop being self employed?

Tokyosummers · 05/07/2024 19:41

DragonFly98 · 05/07/2024 19:39

That is really bad but if you were are a carer then your dh being self employed would have had no impact on you.

We asked them this and they said it still
wouldn’t count as he was self employed ? That he would himself have to find actual employment instead of being self employed ?

DragonFly98 · 05/07/2024 19:39

Tokyosummers · 04/07/2024 16:15

I was shocked when we found out that if you’re self employed it doesn’t count at all towards the couples AET - so you can have an employed person and if they earn over that the non working partner is in light touch group , if they are self employed it doesn’t count so they force the non working partner to look for work or sanction ! We begged them to see sense they wouldn’t so we applied for dla for dc , and dp gave up work totally we are both carers now . They pushed us into a corner

That is really bad but if you were are a carer then your dh being self employed would have had no impact on you.

fliptopbin · 05/07/2024 19:35

These rules make things ridiculous for employers as well. If we advertise a job, we end up with piles if applicants whose GPs have certified them as too unwell to work, yet UC credit deems then fit to work. And this is on top of the people who are forced to apply for totally unsuitable jobs in order to fulfil their quota of job searches.
If the government wants to create jobs and grow the economy, surely burying employers up to their eyeballs in spam isn"t the way to do it.

Juyjuly32 · 05/07/2024 18:54

@Runnerinthenight by parents I'm assuming you mean a 2 parent household. In reality 1 parent can't manage to do what 2 parents can do. It's totally unrealistic. I know some don't want to accept this but quite often things aren't as simple as they seem unfortunately!

Runnerinthenight · 05/07/2024 18:47

Juyjuly32 · 05/07/2024 18:31

Eurghh. Your the sort of people that invents these silly rules. Firstly you need to understand the difference between a job and a career. Even certain careers don't hold much scope to keep climbing the never ending money tree.

People who have children have to do what fits in. What about the single parents? High childcare costs to cover the 13 weeks of school hols? I can't fathom your logic one single bit.

Most parents have to make it fit in.

Dreamsofcruise · 05/07/2024 18:33

I wish I only had to work 20 hours per week… seems fair to expect a bit more of people tbh 😞

Runnerinthenight · 05/07/2024 18:33

LemonSoup · 04/07/2024 17:46

Thank goodness for the new Labour government when shite like this will be sorted out.

God bless your optimism!!

Juyjuly32 · 05/07/2024 18:33

@SparklyLeprechaun not all schools provide an after school club. It's not compulsory! Don't assume, my DC school doesn't have such facilities!

Juyjuly32 · 05/07/2024 18:31

Wakeywake · 04/07/2024 16:12

You can't expect to stay in a job with limited earnings just because you like it and fits in with your lifestyle whilst expecting the taxpayers to pick up the bill though. Fair enough if you absolutely can't make it work any other way.

Eurghh. Your the sort of people that invents these silly rules. Firstly you need to understand the difference between a job and a career. Even certain careers don't hold much scope to keep climbing the never ending money tree.

People who have children have to do what fits in. What about the single parents? High childcare costs to cover the 13 weeks of school hols? I can't fathom your logic one single bit.

SparklyLeprechaun · 05/07/2024 17:30

SilverDoe · 04/07/2024 16:19

Oh yeah, fuck people doing jobs that fit around their lives, they should all be down at the work houses doing 12 hours a day while the government pay their £2k childcare bill instead, much more economically sound 🙄

Or, you know, they could just put their school age kids in after school care for a couple of hours every day, like every other ft working person. But hey, let's not get reality get in the way of made up fantasy scenarios about workhouses.

Another2Cats · 05/07/2024 17:23

itsjustbiology · 05/07/2024 15:38

Another barmy scenario for you OP. My sisters husband has been really ill recently and due to his work (which was 48 hrs p/w) his company he worked for wouldnt /couldnt let him back on his job until his medication was stable (warfarin).His work is fine,the hospital consultants are in agreement with his work and he has been on sick for a while, as this is proving hard to get stable. He has a job but had to go on UC for a limited time, due to him only getting ss pay til he can go back again and pick up where he left off. All ok until he has to see a work coach every week to look for more hours. Its bizarre to me he has a job he is employed he is going back,he wants to ,work wants him to, he just needs time to stabalize this medication yet UC work coach are treating him like he is unemployed. I will never understand it!

As I understand it (I may be wrong) he needs to get a "Fit Note" - in other words a sick note - from his GP and provide that to the people at the Job Centre

rainbowunicorn · 05/07/2024 16:50

Noosnom · 05/07/2024 15:50

Changing jobs means you lose your rights to parental leave for 12 months and can be dismissed in the first two years. I've not risked changing my job in 14yrs as a lone parent. UC shouldn't be making parents lives less stable.

Waits for the "I worked eleventy billion hours a week as a lone parent with no support and four kids......" .

Unfortunately sometimes that is just what happens. When you are relying on benefits to top a wage you don't have the same agency in your decisions as someone who isn't. If OP worked 18 hours a week at minimum wage she would be fine. She is working term time and very part time so her wage is working out at less than the total needed to claim
She either needs to do more hours where she is, not just 1 or 2 extra a month otherwise she will face the same problem everytime there is a rise in minimum wage or she needs to get a new job where the amount earned complies with the minimum for the top up.

Spendysis · 05/07/2024 16:36

cant you arrange the appointment for outside your working hours if you only work 20 hours a week ?

Noosnom · 05/07/2024 15:50

Changing jobs means you lose your rights to parental leave for 12 months and can be dismissed in the first two years. I've not risked changing my job in 14yrs as a lone parent. UC shouldn't be making parents lives less stable.

Waits for the "I worked eleventy billion hours a week as a lone parent with no support and four kids......" .

itsjustbiology · 05/07/2024 15:38

Another barmy scenario for you OP. My sisters husband has been really ill recently and due to his work (which was 48 hrs p/w) his company he worked for wouldnt /couldnt let him back on his job until his medication was stable (warfarin).His work is fine,the hospital consultants are in agreement with his work and he has been on sick for a while, as this is proving hard to get stable. He has a job but had to go on UC for a limited time, due to him only getting ss pay til he can go back again and pick up where he left off. All ok until he has to see a work coach every week to look for more hours. Its bizarre to me he has a job he is employed he is going back,he wants to ,work wants him to, he just needs time to stabalize this medication yet UC work coach are treating him like he is unemployed. I will never understand it!

rainbowunicorn · 05/07/2024 15:24

DoreenonTill8 · 05/07/2024 15:08

Agree. That's great if it is the case. Working parents should only have to work to fit in school hours, so term time only, 930-230 and uc paid too! Hurrah!! Of course the country may collapse but who cares as long as we all only have to do what we love. Yay.

Precisely, I mean the minimum is just that, a minimum amount that must be earned in order to access top up benefits. Too many people look at the minimum as a maximum that they will work in order to get as much as they can which is fine to a point but to be bitching and moaning about having to go to a meeting or work a little bit more is ridiculous. I mean the amount earned is not enough to even pay income tax. I wonder if the OP has ever stopped to think about where the funds would come from to pay UC if all working parents just decided that course of action.

LadyCrumpet · 05/07/2024 15:23

You can't expect to stay in a job with limited earnings just because you like it and fits in with your lifestyle whilst expecting the taxpayers to pick up the bill though.

This. YABU.

DoreenonTill8 · 05/07/2024 15:08

rainbowunicorn · 05/07/2024 14:50

Why the sigh? Do you think people should just be able to work forever in their minimum hour job and never have to increase hours while continuing to get tops ups? We would all love a job that fitted perfectly with school hours and holidays but the reality is very different.

Agree. That's great if it is the case. Working parents should only have to work to fit in school hours, so term time only, 930-230 and uc paid too! Hurrah!! Of course the country may collapse but who cares as long as we all only have to do what we love. Yay.

rainbowunicorn · 05/07/2024 14:50

ladykale · 05/07/2024 14:27

sighs

Why the sigh? Do you think people should just be able to work forever in their minimum hour job and never have to increase hours while continuing to get tops ups? We would all love a job that fitted perfectly with school hours and holidays but the reality is very different.

ladykale · 05/07/2024 14:27

socks1107 · 05/07/2024 14:13

You are working 20 hours a week and complaining about working an extra couple of hours to then get a top of up of 'free' money.
I don't get what is unreasonable about that?

sighs

WithACatLikeTread · 05/07/2024 14:21

I have no problem with UC. Works well for us.

OlderGlaswegianLivingInDevon · 05/07/2024 14:17

Apart from the Op's issue,

I think the bigger problem is all the people ( women usually ) who were encouraged / asked / requested / told to work 16 hours a week in order to be eligible for UC. ( or anything else ? )

they will all be looking for 2 more hours a week, or leaving the jobs that they have gained employment rights etc, in and starting again.

there are so many 16 hours a week jobs advertised and UC cannot expect / hope that all these employers / companies etc. will increase these 16 hours to 18 hours.

ThistleWitch · 05/07/2024 14:13

aodirjjd · 04/07/2024 16:24

it may infuriate you but it sounds like it’s worked exactly as intended. Yes there are people who couldn’t work more hours but it sounds like you could but would prefer not to? Well I’m sorry but ”prefer” shouldn’t be funded by taxpayer so I see no issue when them asking you to work more than 20 hours pw!

Well I’m sorry but ”prefer” shouldn’t be funded by taxpayer so I see no issue when them asking you to work more than 20 hours pw!

I agree with you, is there a reason you cannot work another hour? or more? guessing not as you said I'm quite lucky that I have an extremely understanding manager who has said I can do an extra hour a month if need be. So why dont you work the extra hour normally? Or a few more