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To be irritated by this assumption?

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Ifonlyiknewthennow · 04/07/2024 13:40

I work in a male dominated role, I have a senior role. I'm very proud of my role, and the position it puts us in as a family. DH was out for drinks with a group of friends from a sports team - a group I don't know well. DH asked me to come and join them for drinks when I'd finished work. One of the group was making the usual small with me and asked what did I do for work, I told him 'I work in construction' - his follow up question was what admin role do you have?
AIBU to be irritated that those stereotypes still exist? Or should I be more direct in telling people what I do, so to leave no room for interpretation?

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shanghaismog · 04/07/2024 23:32

Boy do I hear you - Director at a construction firm here… it’s a great industry with so many interesting roles. I’m so glad that part of my sphere is to promote these opportunities & try my hardest to break down stereotypes & gender boundaries. Actively recruiting for a sustainability manager & bid writer if anyone’s interested - south east!

If you are able to offer the role to be substantially wfh (at least 3 days per week) do try "The Work From Home Hub - UK" on Facebook and Instagram. The lady set it up during covid times. Seems to be going very well. My only beef (with an otherwise brilliant site) is that most of the roles are badly paid. Would be good to see some more professional roles on the site.

ifIwerenotanandroid · 05/07/2024 13:13

orangalang · 05/07/2024 01:45

'I work in construction' 'I work for ....' 'I work in the same office as husband' You are all leading women into these areas, be bold and proud. There is absolutely so much thought still that men lead the way, but men are confident and cocky and don't let people think less of them... women can do the same. They shouldn't have too, but everything's progressing

This is nonsense, if I'm to be used as an example of being self-effacing. I tell people my what my job is. The woman in question must've overheard part of a conversation I had with someone else at the event & drawn her own conclusions - or perhaps she asked me (she was that sort of woman), "How did you meet your husband?". It's so long ago, I forget now. I just remember my surprise at being told I was a secretary!

ProcrastinationCentral · 05/07/2024 12:58

SiobhanSharpe · 05/07/2024 10:53

"Yes, she is. How can I help you?"

Is pretty much my standard response!
Its often closely followed by 'Ooh, a LADY! Mustn't swear!'. Which gets 'no please don't, I fucking hate that' :)

AperolWhore · 05/07/2024 11:31

I’m also very senior in construction and get asked this all the time. I’ve had men ask when the engineer will turn up as they can’t believe I’m capable of dealing with X,Y,Z etc the mind boggles!

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mydamnfootstuckinthedoor · 05/07/2024 11:06

YABU. As @NigelHarmansNewWife says, teachers don't tend to say "I work in a school", doctors don't say "I work in a hospital", lawyers don't say "I work in legal services" You should have been more specific.

Thelnebriati · 05/07/2024 11:01

"what admin role do you have?" wasn't a genuine question, its a put down from someone who has a chip on his shoulder. Don't let him bother you and don't bother trying to educate him.

SiobhanSharpe · 05/07/2024 10:53

ProcrastinationCentral · 04/07/2024 14:05

Haha, I work in construction too. Often I'll be in the site office and get greeted 'hello love, is the boss about'? I'm the boss.

"Yes, she is. How can I help you?"

Myblindsaredown · 05/07/2024 10:49

i find this often from both men and women, I am a high earner and earn more than double my husband who is to be fair a high earner in his own right, we live in a nice and large house, the amount of tradespeople who ask me what my husband does when they see it, really annoys me, the assumption is he’s paid for it.

he will correct it if he’s asked, he will say it’s not me mate it’s her, I usually just give a vague response, very rarely I snap I’m the bread winner, but usually not as there is no need to put my husband down, and why should I care what some random sexist pig thinks.

SprigatitoYouAndIKnow · 05/07/2024 10:49

Can you think of a single man who ever thinks it is arrogant to say their job title? Absolutely do correct people, you are stating a fact. Your career has clearly gone well, you deserve the recognition.

He now believes he was right that you are in admin.

Idontjetwashthefucker · 05/07/2024 10:42

Barrenfieldoffucks · 05/07/2024 10:28

"what admin role do you have?" Really? That's a quite unusual/specific question.

it's really not

Barrenfieldoffucks · 05/07/2024 10:28

"what admin role do you have?" Really? That's a quite unusual/specific question.

BallaiLuimni · 05/07/2024 10:21

Redflagsabounded · 05/07/2024 10:10

If you are a CEO or Director, that's fantastic, and not arrogant to tell people. Why are women hiding their success? There's a huge difference between providing information and bragging, and it lies in what you say immediately after your job title.

...CEO and I love working in construction. Not bragging.

...CEO and I earn more money than you can dream of. Bragging.

Please explore why you feel embarrassed or unworthy.

Instead of seeing it as arrogant to tell people you have a great job, how about seeing it as inspirational, role modelling, challenging bias.

My guess is she hides for the same reason I do - people are utter arseholes. I had a bunch of 'friends' (women, to be clear) who started subtly taking the piss out of me because I am a CEO. They were shitheads and I'm no longer friends with them but it's not uncommon - I think women get it a lot lot more than men do.

I don't mention my role to limit the opportunities people have to show me who they really are. I'd rather pretend they weren't total idiots than have incontrovertible evidence to the contrary.

Redflagsabounded · 05/07/2024 10:12

I'm not surprised you were upset, that man was fucking rude after you told him. Get angry. Challenge. How dare he assume you aren't capable of that role. How dare he think you were lying.

Redflagsabounded · 05/07/2024 10:10

If you are a CEO or Director, that's fantastic, and not arrogant to tell people. Why are women hiding their success? There's a huge difference between providing information and bragging, and it lies in what you say immediately after your job title.

...CEO and I love working in construction. Not bragging.

...CEO and I earn more money than you can dream of. Bragging.

Please explore why you feel embarrassed or unworthy.

Instead of seeing it as arrogant to tell people you have a great job, how about seeing it as inspirational, role modelling, challenging bias.

OrderOfTheKookaburra · 05/07/2024 01:59

"What do you mean, admin?"

And watch them squirm as they dig themselves deeper and deeper into a hole.

orangalang · 05/07/2024 01:45

'I work in construction' 'I work for ....' 'I work in the same office as husband' You are all leading women into these areas, be bold and proud. There is absolutely so much thought still that men lead the way, but men are confident and cocky and don't let people think less of them... women can do the same. They shouldn't have too, but everything's progressing

Ifonlyiknewthennow · 05/07/2024 01:03

The person responsible for writing tenders / proposals for projects.

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chairsaregreen · 04/07/2024 23:56

What is a bid writer?

Ifonlyiknewthennow · 04/07/2024 23:34

Bid writers are the hardest to find!!!!!

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shanghaismog · 04/07/2024 23:32

Boy do I hear you - Director at a construction firm here… it’s a great industry with so many interesting roles. I’m so glad that part of my sphere is to promote these opportunities & try my hardest to break down stereotypes & gender boundaries. Actively recruiting for a sustainability manager & bid writer if anyone’s interested - south east!

pinkpillowlady · 04/07/2024 23:21

AreYouANurse · 04/07/2024 15:15

Unfortunately unconscious bias is a real thing. I asked my neighbour, who is a doctor, when I first met her, whether she was a nurse when she told me she was "in geriatrics". I doubled down when she told me she was a doctor and in my embarrassment I said "oh wow". One of those moments I will cringe at for the rest of my life. I did think about apologising after the ever for weeks as I was so mortified but decided it was best to just leave it.

So it happens before you have a have a chance to think about it and I'm female and get much a feminist. So unless he's exhibited other blatantly sexist behaviour, I'd just correct him and move on.

If you haven't already, I'd do an online unconscious bias test. Apparently I'm biased against all the groups you'd expect, even women, even though my conceits self does not hold those views at all.. It's both depressing and eye opening. But the point is it's unconscious so sometimes when you are not actively trying to override it, it will take over.

This is such a good response and so honest too.

Ifonlyiknewthennow · 04/07/2024 23:15

Unconscious bias is huge and a real problem in my industry. I generally tell people I work for 'insert company name here' - rather than the industry, especially at industry events or with people in the sector. But in this occasion I didn't. I find it a bit arrogant to say I'm a 'CEO' so generally skirt around it and will say, I head up or something to that effect.
It irritated me because of the assumption, then he really doubled down and said 'oh I would never have picked that' - 'do you find it hard to be taken seriously at work' - just seemed genuinely shocked, asked another one of the guys (who is a close friend), is that really what she does - to which he said yeah mate, she's the boss.
I know it shouldn't upset me but it really did.

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Redflagsabounded · 04/07/2024 15:25

Sometimes it is lack of knowledge. I work in a senior HR role, and if I say 'HR' everyone defaults to HR Admin, as these are the only ones most employees will ever have contact with, and they aren't aware of more senior aspects, and that there are plenty of us only working with Managers/Directors. So I don't get annoyed about that.

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