To think this is an immature approach to voting?

I normally do vote and I tried to inform myself before the EU referendum. Could not work out the correct answer so I didn't vote that time. TBH, I thought that Remain would comfortably win, I thought that Leave was just a protest vote. I was pretty shocked when Leave won (just) and it's been a disaster for the UK hasn't it?

I don't think people realised what they were were voting for, the public was ill informed and also lied to about it. If I could go back.... I do feel a bit guilty.

Your colleague should think of the worst outcome and vote tactically to try and prevent that. No party is perfect.

I don't vote for the same reason as your colleague. I am also relatively blunt....starting to wonder if this post is about me 🙈

If Australians don't want to vote, there's an easy get-out. They spoil their vote.

Informative thread about the importance of voting even if people end up spoiling their ballots because it reflects the impression of the available choices:

This is for anyone thinking of not voting in the general election tomorrow.

That’s your right, but I just want to make you aware how parties feel about non-voters.

The obvious thing is, “They don’t care what you think because you don’t vote.”

But it’s a bit worse than that

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If you don’t vote you are enormously helpful to a well-organised political party.

In fact, something that isn’t really talked about is how being efficient and organised wins you elections.

When I was in the SNP we were masters at this.

So how do you win an election? [cont]

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Educate herself on bullshit manifestos filled with lies that will never be realised

@CantDealwithChristmas you are very right, some people are tribal. My parents and DH parents were the same and I was in my early years.

I've told my children, when it's there time to look at policies, don't talk about politics and decide for yourselves because people are always trying to label you or persuade you, you should have your own mind.

She's not saying that it isn't on her, though, is she? She's not blaming anyone else.

Me and all my friends used to say this in our early 20s

By contrast, I've been very interested in politics pretty much all my life, was always well informed and couldn't wait be old enough to vote. But if you'd been my colleagues when you were in your 20s, I wouldn't have considered it OK for me to tell you, a bunch of fellow adults, to educate yourselves and stop being lazy about voting.

I think this is an indictment on how easily people become apathetic when there is so much bluff and bollocks said by EVERY political party. People would be much less turned off if there was clear information that was independently fact checked.

I've been getting into the More or Less podcast where they attempt to review lots of the election claims from each party. No surprise it's all manipulated and misrepresented. It's made me realise that I have much less of an understanding of the actual situation of the economy, NHS etc.

Have to admit I find it so frustrating and I'd be very tempted to disengage altogether if I wasn't naturally interested in politics.

I taught A level Politics for a bit. I leant one way politically and my teaching partner very much the other way. We reckoned there was a balance but actually I made a point of never, ever saying what I thought. If really pushed, I said Green because the students respected that.

This is my 18yo DD.
Actually when you question her she is definitely informed enough to make a decision.
Are you happy with current government?
How much does the environment matter to you?
Do you think all immigrants should be thrown back in the sea?
Where do you stand on woman’s rights?

That sort of thing..

I agree with @CantDealwithChristmas

I am aware of people that voted for Brexit for reasons that were irrelevant, I know people that voted for Brexit for valid reasons but without understanding the full consequences and would change their vote if they could, and I know one person that voted for Brexit because it was a protest vote and they didn't think that it would happen.

I appreciate this is super controversial but I think we should have a hypothecated tax for the NHS to promote accountability by NHS management.

Actaully didn't Ed Miliband suggest that at some point? Or David Miliband talked about it as a little thought experiment in an interview? Something like that anyway.

I'm glad we don't have a compulsory vote like Australia. I think it's anti-democratic. I believe that inherent in the freedoms conferred by democracy should be the freedom to recuse oneself from the democratic process if one wishes.

Also I just realised I'm a hypocrite because I don't always vote based on manifestos (manifestoes treat the voters like children anyway). For a good 20 years I voted Labour because when I turned 16, my grandmother very solemnly looked me in the eye (can still see her expression) and told me I should vote Labour because "Tories are for the rich people, Labour are for people like us".

It was only in the later years of the Blair administration when I went into business for myself that I actually started to think carefully and look into different economic policies.

I reckon a fair few people vote tribally and unthinkingly like that.

I bet the person concerned uses the NHS on occasions for starters, never mind other public services.

Fair point. I will never, ever, forget Liz Hurley proclaiming she was voting for Brexit so she could get ‘flattering’ peach lightbulbs back. I would much rather people at least be honest about their ignorance and indifference rather than vote for the lies they’ve been told. I hope that when Farage is elected to Clacton his inbox is bulging with letters about potholes and poos in the sea.

And by apathy, I mean: maybe she thinks it's all a shitshow and no good candidates.

I find it depressing that some people aren't interested enough to vote.

However, it's absolutely none of your business whether your colleague votes or not, and it's not your place to tell her to educate herself and be less lazy, whether you did it politely or not. She's a colleague, not your child. Who the hell are you to tell her what she should and shouldn't be doing with regards to her voting habits?! Keep your beak out of her private choices.

Immature or apathetic?

I struggle to find the energy to bother to vote. I just don't care. But I probably do find other social issues to care about that keen voters might not. I don't judge.

We live in a world in which most people will give you a really strong opinion on anything and everything despite knowing absolutely fuck all. In that context, her response was refreshing; also, knowing what you know and knowing what you don’t know is an attribute.

That said, there is a myriad of information about the parties, the candidates, at everyone’s fingertips. In that context, her response is massively depressing; she might as well say, I can’t be arsed to find anything out.

She didn't say it wasn't on her, did she? 🤷‍♀️

Either way it's none of your business.

Tbh if she is so blasé, it's better that she doesn't vote.

It's a democracy and she's used her democratic right to not vote.

It's not my cup of tea, but live and let live.

Choosing not to vote is a valid decision.

YANBU , it's depressing and lazy.

I think it's a shame. Everyone is entitled to a vote regardless of how informed or not they are. What she does with it is up to her but it is a shame.

My colleague is voting reform because he liked Nigel Farage on I'm a celebrity. I suggested being his decision on policies might be better but I don'tthink he took any notice.