Voting in an hour - tell me why I shouldn’t vote reform

TwigletsAndRadishes
Well done for repeating UK tabloid bunkum. yes there is a bit of 'interest' in EU countries but the EU as an institution is NOT falling apart, it is grappling with worsening weather trends and is hindered by the war in Ukraine where the usual sopurces of gas and oil have been disrupted The 'distinctlt Right' leaning parties in France and elsewhere have no real, costed and WORKABLE plans other than populist rhetoric as I saw when Reading Bardella's 'manifesto' last week. Different groups of farmers are protesting because implementing a 'more green agenda' will cost them money in some cases so needs their own governments to assist with either funds or legislation to smooth the transition. This is reported by the trash papers in the UK as serious issues but is simply a 'bedding in' period for necessary change.

That is because Farage is like the racist Uncle who is a total pain, says he calls a spade a spade, and then calls everyone snowflakes if they object to what he says.

It's funny to me how Farage is all about "telling it how it is" except for when other people call him a racist misogynist disaster capitalist proto-fascist twat. Then out come the supporters to say "that's simplistic and lazy and doesn't tell the whole truth" 🙄

It tells enough of the truth though doesn't it? Surely? Farage holds up convicted rapists and domestic abusers as "fantastic" role models for "emasculated" young men? I think it's fair to say he's pro-rape? Is that not a problem for you as a woman?

I agree. He has openly said he wants an American style insurance scheme. Americans pay the most for healthcare in the world, but have the worst health outcomes. The very rich do okay, no one else does. If you get a complex cancer the treatment will bankrupt you.

Yep. And Russia is supporting the party and Farage. This is not speculation. There is credible research to show this. A vote for Reform is a vote against Britain.

They can if they abolish it and start an insurance-based scheme based on the American model which is what Farge wants. No NHS, no waiting lists! like a magic trick.

This is the kind of people you are voting for. Go ahead if those are your views.

Who did you vote for op?

Just seen OP, didn't vote Reform. Thank you OP and for being gracious and measured in your responses to some pretty rude and nasty replies. I understand your frustrations with many things about this country but I'd strongly argue Reform is not the solution to them ...

He even charges the faithful to attend his rallies. The good people of Clacton had to pay £3.41p (very odd sum of money) to rock up and listen to him. No doubt this self styled "man of the people" has already made a handsome profit from his current incarnation as prospective parliamentary candidate for one of the most deprived towns in the country.

If Labour get in with a huge majority due to the split right wing vote, it won’t send the shitters up them, they won’t care less how the rest of the vote was split, they’ll just rejoice in their mandate to rule and the ability to push through any policy they want due to the huge majorly. The odd dissenting voice in the chamber will have no effect on the parliamentary voting

Do you really think they can make it so the NHS has no waiting lists?! 🤣

But that won't stop people misquoting him for their own ends. These people work on the basis that if they keep misquoting or misrepresenting their adversary's words, they'll eventually get taken as fact. it happens all the time.

This article summarises some of the calibre of people Reform attracted. Who weren’t vetted. It’s not up to date with the latest incidents but jesus wept:

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/full-list-every-controversial-reform-candidate/

This would put most people off:

A Reform candidate has suspended her campaign and defected to the Tories, saying the "vast majority" of others standing for Nigel Farage's party are "racist, misogynistic, and bigoted".
Georgie David, who was the candidate for West Ham and Beckton, is the second person to jump ship amid allegations of racism within the ranks of Reform UK.

And then there's this:
Reform UK candidate described autistic people as ‘vegetables’
Darren Ingrouille, the party’s prospective MP for Chelmsford, made the jibe on social media..

There are a lot more, just Google "Reform candidates who have been suspended" it makes for an eye opening read. Of course all the parties have wrong 'uns in them but what matters is how they deal with them and also why Refrom seems to attract people with such extreme views

I’ve done similar personality type tests to determine where I am politically.
I come out as a Left leaning Progressive but tbh when I look at all the very left policies that’s not me. I’m far more centre than left.

So I wouldn’t base your vote on these quizzes. I’d base your vote on areas that are important to you and if you like that will help grow the economy as well and not negatively affect businesses and ultimately the ability to work.

Yesterday Reform UK candidate Darren Ingrouille described autistic people as ‘vegetables’

Do you support Vladimir Putin's invasion of Ukraine and the very real threat that regime poses to our country and the rest of the west, that could culminate in a nuclear war? If so, do vote Reform

None so blind as those who will not see.

Famously Hitler got in by being elected and then became, well, der Fuhrer. So the fact that a political party may use democratic party politics to get into power doesn’t tell you what they will do with power after they get in.

As for the anti immigrant and racist undertones and signaling of Farage and his ilk —you don’t understand mass marketing, popular culture, or populism.

There are actual neo nazis snd various varities of out and proud fascistsand they all seem to be able to recognize one another. They show up at each others rallies, favorably mention each other, support each others policies, share blueprints for coming into power. This is why Trump, Orban, and Farage all make common cause.

I agree that a vote for Farage and Reform UK is a vote for Russian interests. I have no idea why people do not pay more attention to this. There is lots of research to show this.
Russia is waging a war against the UK. It is just not a military war.

This article tells you exactly who Farage is and who he works with. Seriously shady people backed by Russia.

He’s not who you think he is. A vote for Reform is categorically and undeniably a vote against Britain and Western Europe’s interests.

https://washingtonmonthly.com/2018/06/18/the-russia-conspiracy-is-unraveling-across-the-pond/

It's your life, and democratic right.

Do whatever you want, not sure why anyone should care.

Think of the most vulnerable person you know and vote with them in mind.

Would love to see the face behind your screen. Christ…

You aren't voting Reform as a party, you are voting Farage as CEO of Reform LTD which is essentially a dictatorship. So up to you if you want to hand control of your views to him because that's what a Reform vote actually means. It's not about policies or manifestos because it is a company, not a democratic parry. Its about giving Farage power.