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Voting in an hour - tell me why I shouldn’t vote reform

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Wentie · 04/07/2024 08:43

This isn’t a wind up. I’ve done countless different quiz type things and the policies I most align to come out strongly reform. I would previously have been a Tory voter. I don’t like farage and I do feel prejudiced against reform from what is portrayed in the media - but their policies appeal to me. Anyone have any actual facts or glaring holes that I might have missed?

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BeachParty · 04/07/2024 09:25

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Pelham678 · 04/07/2024 09:25

Ereyraa · 04/07/2024 08:53

You can vote for anyone you want, that’s the beauty of democracy.

When will the you must vote for X posters realise being told who to vote for has the opposite effect.

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Well it's pretty pathetic to vote for the opposite party just because someone tells you to vote for a particular party. At least have the guts to stick to your beliefs and values and tune out the noise.

Willyoujustbequiet · 04/07/2024 09:25

AstonMartha · 04/07/2024 08:47

They are racist, sexist, homophobic wankers.

This.

You don't want to vote for them because you aren't a dickhead.

CovertPiggery · 04/07/2024 09:24

alldayeveryday247 · 04/07/2024 09:01

A standing candidate (Ian Gribbin) said all of the below and was not booted out of the party. Can you really vote for a party that doesn't condemn this from someone who might represent them in parliament? Really?

His comments:

"Do you (women) think you could actually work and pay for it all too like good citizens?

"Men pay 80% of tax – women spend 80% of tax revenue. On aggregate as a group you only take from society.
"Less complaining please from the 'sponging gender'."

He added that women are "subsidised by men to merely breath (sic)".
In January 2022 he posted: "Men pay 80% of tax. Women take out 80% of expenditures.

"Square that inequality first by depriving women of healthcare until their life expectancies are the same as men, Fair’s fair."

In December 2021 he wrote female soldiers "almost made me wretch (sic)" and were a "total liability".'

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It's madness that any woman would vote for that candidate.

Pelham678 · 04/07/2024 09:23

Motomum23 · 04/07/2024 09:02

I'm voting reform. I think we should bring back the death penalty - why should a rapist or murderer get to live a cushy life in prison at the tax payers expense.

If enough people vote for the policies that matter to them the more mainstream parties will have to adopt similar policies or die out.

So what do you think about the guy who was in prison for 17 years for a rape that he demonstrably didn't commit because the police and the CPS lied? Does he not matter, because he'd be dead now?

Or is he collateral damage.

His mum loved and defended him. How would you feel if it happened to your child? And no he didn't have a criminal background and was a normal bloke.

Jeckyl · 04/07/2024 09:21

Because their modus operandi is to manipulate your emotions to gain power, without actually coming up with workable, costed solutions to the problems they claim they will solve. Some of the problems they claim to exist also aren’t there at all or are widely exaggerated or intentionally misleading - for example our problem with immigration is very little to do with the boats.

If Brexit hasn’t already taught you that then nothing will help you.

midgetastic · 04/07/2024 09:21

Labour it's pretty clear will be looking at some of the taxes that don't affect workin people

VoteOutToHelpOut · 04/07/2024 09:20

🙄

Purplecatshopaholic · 04/07/2024 09:20

AstonMartha · 04/07/2024 08:47

They are racist, sexist, homophobic wankers.

Sums it up. But you do you!

Cadela · 04/07/2024 09:20

Abhannmor · 04/07/2024 08:53

Don't know where to start really. But Farage has been saying for decades that the NHS must be sold off.

If Reform got in it will be like the post Brexit nonsense : millions of dozy people saying things like ' I never thought this would happen' or ' this isn't real Brexit '.

Just as they say ' this isn't the real Conservative Party I voted for'. Of course it fucking is. Have you all been in a coma since 1979?

Brilliant 😂

And agree with every word!!!

midgetastic · 04/07/2024 09:19

What they write on paper and who they are in practise may not be the same thing

Some of what they write is suitably vague and what really matters is how they intend to get there

As a trite example we can reduce nhs waiting lists by ... closing the nhs, closing lists and making people go private or by spending more on it - if spending more whilst raising less taxes that is clearly not believable. If they argue "efficiency gains" / well that's what the tories have been doing for the last 14 years .. so what exactly is the plan ?

Captainmycaptains · 04/07/2024 09:19

SuePreemly · 04/07/2024 08:49

Spent half that hour reading up on the Blackshirts during the 1920s and 1930s.

See the parallels between their beliefs and Reform and have a bloody good word with yourself.

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It’s uncanny. Plenty of people supported them, lured in with promises of ‘strong’ nationalism and a roll back of any kind of change or modernisation.

They want a world where white straight men ‘benevolently’ decide that’s best for everyone else. That’s not a world I want to live in. Women voting for Reform are voting for a future where they are 2nd best to men, where they lose their bodily autonomy and where their daughters will need to know their place to get on in life.

Motomum23 · 04/07/2024 09:19

whyey · 04/07/2024 09:13

@Motomum23 you’re seriously voting for a party because of ONE of their policies. If you are a mum, then surely other things are just as important to you such as making sure schools and hospitals run efficiently? What are they going to do to make this happen?

No it's not the only policy I agree with. And I have seen absolutely no labour policies that tell you HOW they intend to save the NHS or find a bazillion more teachers - just empty words.

I don't like politicians in general - garaged is no better or worse than starmer or sunak- they are all a bunch of entitled overpaid w's imo but at least a protest vote might incite real change rather than the other side of the current bum cheek

Pelham678 · 04/07/2024 09:19

AyrshireTryer · 04/07/2024 09:18

If you have read and understood their policies and believe those align with what you personally stand for, more than any other party, please vote for them.

Or don't

BrigadierEtienneGerard · 04/07/2024 09:19

Because between 1939 and 1945 the country fought a war against these sort of people?

Pelham678 · 04/07/2024 09:18

Ereyraa · 04/07/2024 09:14

For someone who is ‘irrelvant’, he certainly gets people frothing…

Yeah we should just pipe down complaining about racism, misogynism, lies by politicians etc.

Chill and vote for extreme right-wingers 🙄. Oh, and fuck public services and the poor.

Chartreux · 04/07/2024 09:18

Read their policies properly. Apart from the inherent bigotry, they would cost billions of pounds to implement and would bankrupt the country within week.

AyrshireTryer · 04/07/2024 09:18

If you have read and understood their policies and believe those align with what you personally stand for, more than any other party, please vote for them.

MichaelFabricantsSyrup · 04/07/2024 09:16

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WhotheDickens · 04/07/2024 09:16

Because they have established themselves, cynically, to become appealing to the far-right who feel let down by the Conservatives. Often the elderly or supporters of the National Front.

Far Right and Far Left never have happy endings. Both are as bad as each other.

Reform are just bar room bores whose only aim was to spear the Tories.
They will never be a serious opposition so you're wasting your vote.

Floorbard · 04/07/2024 09:15

If you’re an ignorant wee bigot who hates everyone who isn’t a white man then go ahead, they’re definitely speaking your language

Ereyraa · 04/07/2024 09:14

For someone who is ‘irrelvant’, he certainly gets people frothing…

whyey · 04/07/2024 09:13

@Motomum23 you’re seriously voting for a party because of ONE of their policies. If you are a mum, then surely other things are just as important to you such as making sure schools and hospitals run efficiently? What are they going to do to make this happen?

TigerRag · 04/07/2024 09:12

One of their MPs described Autistic people as vegetables. That's enough to make me not vote for them

GlitteryUnicornSparkles · 04/07/2024 09:12

They are anti human rights and are planning to scrap the Equality Act which would fuck over millions (myself included) and for the large part women. That I cannot get behind.