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NY Times( How Britain has changed during 14 years of Tory rule) shocking

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T0pSh0p · 04/07/2024 08:23

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2024/07/03/world/europe/uk-election-better-worse.html

It’s shocking to see it in a simple list. So much damage done. There is a reason why we’re all so fed up.

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Voterswung · 04/07/2024 15:30

@cupcaske123 I'm on just above nmw in education. The threshold means now I get slightly more pay, I pay more tax and ni.
How will starmer benefit me?

Voterswung · 04/07/2024 15:28

@LuluBlakey1 oh I didn't realise but he's mentioned his wife every time the NHS is mentioned so I thought he would be mentioning her because she has some purpose/insider theories as to what's going wrong?

Maybe she's entirely useless then? If so, why mention her.

behindthemall · 04/07/2024 15:10

Interestingly, my take away from that was that the Tories aren’t as bad as made out, and that isn’t that bad a result for a term that has included Brexit and Covid.

Missymoo100 · 04/07/2024 15:10

Yes it’s unsurprising that reduction in the use of fossil fuels leads to a fall in productivity- since energy is required for everything, from transport, logistics, food production, heating etc… productivity will continue to decline with net zero, which both main parties support. You’ll get more of the same with Labour- but worse.

cupcaske123 · 04/07/2024 15:09

Floatingandundecided · 04/07/2024 14:37

How do we get a living wage without raising the cost of living to fund the living wage?
How do we fund better benefits?
Why should we nationalise more industries when the already nationalised ones people are saying aren't working? I'm a floating voter and haven't cast my vote today so am genuinely interested to know what the answer is.

There was a similar argument when Labour brought in the national minimum wage, but businesses managed to stay open.

We redistribute wealth, we grow the economy - when people have money, they spend more. We stop wasting billions on projects like the Rwanda scheme and making our friends richer. Which nationalised companies don't work?

Spoonage · 04/07/2024 15:06

Sorry, make that 54%!

Spoonage · 04/07/2024 15:05

Greentreesandbushes · 04/07/2024 08:42

The reduction in crime isn’t a true statistic as it’s a case of less crime actually being reported vs true crime reduction

Exactly - crime down by 51% my arse!!

YYURYYUCICYYUR4ME · 04/07/2024 14:57

I work supporting people, but am surrounded by far too many that talk, propose, write policy and do bugger all and I fear that won't change, as doing takes real care and concern and that seems to be rare whatever the political affiliation, whether health, education, even just maintaining our roads and I could add so much to this list! I'd like someone to stop, properly audit our services, look at where the money is actually being spent and who is top slicing before it ever goes where it needs to, before jumping in and trying to change the world. If you don't know where you are starting from, can you ever make a difference? We also need a change of tax laws, not just taxing the easy pickings more or making assumptions about those that could pay, but a complete review and overhaul and start looking at the quality of those that supposedly are meant to be our representatives, but too often have their own agendas and fail to care for the whole, cherry picking the few! We need to look at wage stagnation and the gaps between the bottom and the top. and if we build more homes, we need to look at why so many already built are empty, or not fit for purpose and address that issue. I just want someone in government, local and central who cares, really cares and I am struggling with who I trust to do that!

Floatingandundecided · 04/07/2024 14:37

LuluBlakey1 · 04/07/2024 14:31

Err......paying people enough money so they can feed their family........stopping rent increases and keeping food inflation rates down......reducing the tax burden for the poorest rather than the most well-off........

How do we get a living wage without raising the cost of living to fund the living wage?
How do we fund better benefits?
Why should we nationalise more industries when the already nationalised ones people are saying aren't working? I'm a floating voter and haven't cast my vote today so am genuinely interested to know what the answer is.

wejammin · 04/07/2024 14:32

Crime stats also down because conviction rates are down due to underfunded police, CPS and courts, and criminal court backlogs are huge so some potential crime stats are years behind reality.

Alwaystired94 · 04/07/2024 14:32

cutting down on rogue landlords charging high rent for below standard properties. Lack of affordable housing means people are stuck in this situation.

Alwaystired94 · 04/07/2024 14:31

Floatingandundecided · 04/07/2024 14:24

What's the alternative to having food banks?

A strong economy for all. Not just the very top.
Living wage, Better job security (be-gone 0 hour contracts), companies not inflating their prices and having record profits. Just to name a few.

LuluBlakey1 · 04/07/2024 14:31

Floatingandundecided · 04/07/2024 14:24

What's the alternative to having food banks?

Err......paying people enough money so they can feed their family........stopping rent increases and keeping food inflation rates down......reducing the tax burden for the poorest rather than the most well-off........

cupcaske123 · 04/07/2024 14:28

Floatingandundecided · 04/07/2024 14:24

What's the alternative to having food banks?

Living wage, reverse benefit cuts, regulate rent, nationalise energy companies. Are some of the solutions I can think of. How about you?

LuluBlakey1 · 04/07/2024 14:28

Voterswung · 04/07/2024 14:24

@LuluBlakey1

Agree that's a stand out issue re cancer that's abnormal and I look forward to starmer with his wife's inside knowledge of how to crack that and turn that around ASAP.

His wife works in Occupational Health. Why do you think she has inside knowledge of cancer treatment waiting lists? And she is not a politician charged with turning the NHS round.

Floatingandundecided · 04/07/2024 14:24

What's the alternative to having food banks?

Voterswung · 04/07/2024 14:24

@LuluBlakey1

Agree that's a stand out issue re cancer that's abnormal and I look forward to starmer with his wife's inside knowledge of how to crack that and turn that around ASAP.

LuluBlakey1 · 04/07/2024 14:24

The lack of care the Tories have shown for the most vulnerable in society and young people is shocking. They have made decent futures much more difficult to achieve.

NY Times( How Britain has changed during 14 years of Tory rule) shocking
Voterswung · 04/07/2024 14:23

Reading those figures one has to remember that food banks didn't spring up the moment tory /lib dems took power.

Thousands lost thier jobs at the end of labour due to the credit crisis, so more people in those waves who had lost their homes and needed food banks.

Alwaystired94 · 04/07/2024 14:22

even one of the "improved" ones is crap. You just have less people bothering to report crimes because they know nothing will come of it.

LuluBlakey1 · 04/07/2024 14:21

The terrible impact theTories have had on public services, NHS waiting lists and cancer treatment is shameful.

NY Times( How Britain has changed during 14 years of Tory rule) shocking
LuluBlakey1 · 04/07/2024 14:18

The Tory record on tax, borrowing and investment is shameful.

NY Times( How Britain has changed during 14 years of Tory rule) shocking
cupcaske123 · 04/07/2024 14:18

errjql · 04/07/2024 09:20

I have to say that knife crime is the fault of the person holding the knife for a start. Not the govt.

all very well to make a judgement to 2024

was the global pandemic the fault of the conservatives??????!!!!!!!!! Or the war in ukraine? Er no, but those are heavy contributors to a lot of the above problems.

The Tories cut down the police force by 20, 000 and slashed funding to youth organisations.

LuluBlakey1 · 04/07/2024 14:15

Tinkerbot · 04/07/2024 09:22

If you listen to radio4 more or less - about 12 mins in, at last an explanation for why we are up the creek
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m0020phz

It’s borrowing - I believe the Labour Party borrowed in the 2000s, hence nhs happy, then ? Cons borrowed for banking crash, then borrowed for Brexit, hence years of austerity, then borrowed for Covid. And here we are
U nfortunately global interest rates on loans have gone up-we can barely cover payments

Whoever gets in is stuffed.

You have very little understanding if you are still blaming Labour in any way. Have you bothered to read the whole of the New York Times article?

LuluBlakey1 · 04/07/2024 14:13

MattDamon · 04/07/2024 08:48

Their reporting has been compromised by ideology for years now.

There is a list of sources at the end of the article- they are robust and rigorous and objective. You are simply looking to excuse the Tories.